Well my dlp broke down so i just bought a pn50c7000 and the picture is fantastic and the 3d is pretty cool also but i am getting sick of watching monsters vs aliens lol .
That make's sense, your TV is dead and well if you are going to pick one one pick a 3D one.
My major trouble is that 3D will just be wasted as I just have no interest in it at all. It's going to be a bit a waste to go and buy a tv with 3D since I don't plan on using it at all but for sure something in the next 2-3 years depending how long my TV stay with me my next purchase will most likely be a 3D TV, not going to be that much choice left by then with just 2D option I think
That make's sense, your TV is dead and well if you are going to pick one one pick a 3D one.
My major trouble is that 3D will just be wasted as I just have no interest in it at all. It's going to be a bit a waste to go and buy a tv with 3D since I don't plan on using it at all but for sure something in the next 2-3 years depending how long my TV stay with me my next purchase will most likely be a 3D TV, not going to be that much choice left by then with just 2D option I think
Yeah, I'm not particularly interested in 3D, either but just about every decent display is including it anyway. Unlike when I stopped buying DVDs about a year before getting BD, I'm not waiting for 3D versions of movies, though, since my interest isn't that high (and I'll be extremely unlikely to rebuy for 3D alone).
Yeah, I'm not particularly interested in 3D, either but just about every decent display is including it anyway. Unlike when I stopped buying DVDs about a year before getting BD, I'm not waiting for 3D versions of movies, though, since my interest isn't that high (and I'll be extremely unlikely to rebuy for 3D alone).
That is why I won't bother with the Star Wars 3D, I won't even bother seeing them in theaters. Once I have my Blu-ray set I will be a happy camper for a while
I'm suprised there's so much support for the prequel trilogies and special editions on a forum of supposed movie fans. It seems to me that the divide here is between people that enjoyed the movies either before 1997 or after 1999. The original trilogy was a modern hollywood classic. It'd be like a CGI remake of Back to the Future today, but with nonsensical alterations. Like Biff appearing on the train at the end or a randomly inserted psuedo-hip hop song.
Wrong I became a fan in 1997.
and wrong, again, but I know it's pretty much hopeless to argue with you guys. You just don't seem to think for yourselves.
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Being a movie fan doesn't mean you have to prefer the unaltered versions of the films.
And wrong again. Saw the movies when they originally opened in theaters. Still prefer the SE's.
99% of the changes were for the better. From Mos Eisley and Jabba in ANH, the Wampa and Emperor in ESB, to Jedi Rocks and Anakin in RotJ.
And I would put the PT on par if not better in some areas than the OT. TPM is probably the best film of all 6.
I love the Saga as a whole. They all have their wonderful qualities.
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Laugh all you wish. I just know I am glad the 3D releases is starting with TPM.
I can work on boosting my theatrical viewings. I saw it around 15 times in the theater already.
Attack of the Clones was only 5. And Revenge of the Sith was only 2.
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I'll admit that in some respects it was nice to see how things were before the Empire ruled.
But still I don't really think it had all that "grand" of a storyline. The movie can easily be summed up as "woo-hoo! We found Anikin!"
And the movie as a whole could have been executed in a much better manner. There was a lot more going on in Episodes 2 and 3 than there was in Episode 1. Episode 1 was a slow-crawl compared to the other two, IMO. Both of them had a lot more going on. While I am very critical of the prequels overall, I think they got better from one to the next.
Hey, that's amazing!
I also saw TPM 15 times in the theaters,
AOTC 5 times, and Sith about 4-5 times.
Now I just want them on BD, and I will watch them to death!!!
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Joking aside. I think one of the reasons people aren't fond of the prequels is that the first two (let's keep III out of this for a second) didn't do to much to develop the story or characters. I'm not saying that's the only thing film has to offer, merely that those two films didn't excel in those areas.
The third one did. I think it's a shame that the story of the first two films wasn't compressed into the first act of the first film and spent the trilogy focusing on the arc of "Sith" in a less hurried fashion.
As to the other topic, I personally didn't like Jar-Jar, but he was far less grating than the Podrace commentator. Minor character? Yes. Deal-breaker? No. Just an annoying character in one scene.
It's clear to me now that you haven't actually seen the movies, or paid any attention while watching.
Please try to watch them with open ears and eyes.
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You are entitled to your opinions, of course, but I will say that part of what amazes me about your stance on "A New Hope" is how you previous described the bonus disc that came with the first release of the Original Trilogy on DVD to be "incredible".
While the bonus features on the disc do also encompass "Empire" and "Jedi" to some extent, the original movie is the primary focus of most of the behind the scenes documentaries, etc. on that disc. "Empire of Dreams" really focuses more so on the difficulty Lucas had in getting the original film made and the challenges and problems there of. The whole thing was quite an uphill battle.
Then there's that other extra feature with other directors and film makers talking about the influence that Star Wars had on them.
I just kind of find it funny that you would be so complimentary about a bunch of extra, behind the scenes features that primarily focus on the movie in the series that you find to be the most boring. But, it's all good at the end of the day.
A lot of what bugs me about TPM (beyond the ovbious things that are often brought up like Jar Jar, etc) is just that in many ways it didn't feel like a "beginning" to the story.
It just kind of "hits the ground running" with Obi Wan and Qui Gon on their mission at the beginning. And that's not necessarily a bad thing. But I think more of a feeling of it being a "beginning" should have really been present.
I realize that most everyone going into TPM had already seen the previous movies and knew the basics, but none the less, I really think that some kind of introduction about who the Jedi are, what the force is, etc, really should have been present in the movie. In some ways similar to how Obi Wan explains it to Luke in ANH, but it could be done in a new, original way. Perhaps they could have started out at the Jedi Temple, either with some new kids just coming into being trained, or with someone being given a tour of the temple and an explanation of the Jedi order. These are just some potential examples off of the top of my head... it could have been done in many other ways.
And even some of what "action" does happen in the movie feels a bit to "set-up" and not really like it flows with the movie (at least to me).
Take the Pod Race, for example. Now, the race in and of itself was pretty cool, and it's often one of the more complimented aspects of the film (at least in my experience of other's responses to it). None the less, the whole set of circumstances that lead up to Anikin entering the race (the part on the ship needing to be replaced, the Jedi not having the right currency to buy a replacement from Watto, etc), just all seemed a bit to contrived and set up, like dominos specifically lined up for the sheer purpose of being tipped over, just as an excuse to lead into something "action-y" in the movie.
Then there's Darth Maul. A cool looking character, and he was part of a great lightsaber battle (even if the lightsaber battles in the prequels do look a bit too much like planned out "dances" than true dramatic battles at times). But he had NO character development. Now, I'm not saying a TON of time should have been spent focusing on him or his back story, but they could have found more of a "happy medium". As it is, Darth Maul just feels like he's there for almost no other purpose other than the fact that it's a Star Wars movie and there "has to be" a lightsaber battle in it, and they need someone to have that battle against.
Now, I'm sure you'll turn around and make some comparisons to ANH and the original trilogy. And sure, the movies have their flaws. But most of the flaws in the originals (espeially ANH) can be very much attributed to the limitations of the time, money, and technology that Lucas had available to him at the time. And as for any pacing issues, ANH came out back in a time when movies in general were much slower paced than they are today. That really started to change more in the 80s for the most part.
Well, Beast answered it well right there:
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And? I still like ANH. I just consider it the weakest of the 6 films.
And the bonus disc is incredible, so hopefully Empire Of Dreams is cared over to the Blu-Ray.
As for liking extras better than the movie, I did buy Batman Begins and Dark Knight for the extras.
Both films which I really can't stand. But the extra features are worthwhile. Especially the A&E/History channel ones.
Your complaint about not explaining the Jedi make no sense, they're explained right in the opening crawl. As well as showing you what they're capable of in the very first action scene. As well as later when Qui-Gon is talking to Anakin, and when Anakin meets the Jedi Council. There's a little thing called "Show.... don't tell" after all. I swear some people want the movie to pause, and the characters to start talking to the audience and filling every little detail. Even though nobody complains that you needed your hand held in the OT. Seems like a nonsense argument just to bash the Prequels, as usual.
Everything is contrived in movies. It's because they're written by someone so that the story flows from point A to point B. Never really thought that complaint about any film made sense. The writer sets up an issue that needs to be overcome to move the plot forward. Hell, even Lord of Rings (The Books and Movies) is filled with it. Every movie is. If you want spontanious events, go watch reality televesion. Well, the ones that are not scripted anyway.
Maul is the only weak part of TPM for me. But again, that's by design. He wasn't meant to have much of a character. He was Palpatine's lapdog of an Apprentice. He's more of an animal than a man, look at how he paces like a caged tiger during the lightsaber duel when the shields come between him and Qui-Gon. He doesn't have a personal ambition or desire for power or anything... because that's how Palpy wanted him. But as has been noted, that's why Palpatine is a terrible teacher. He doesn't want to share the knowledge or the power, because that is a risk to his own power. Darth Vader in E4 has pretty much no backstory either. So I don't see the issue. He's as much of a one-dimensional figure as Maul is. Or hell, Boba Fett is an even better example.
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poppycock. Vader is UNQUESTIONABLY a character of substance from jump, not just because of his imposing look. We know Vader is someone not to be trifled with, from his reckless use of the Force (casually force-choking subordinates) to his cruel disposition (murdering Rebels with his bare hands), not to mention he is established by Obi-Wan as the man who killed Luke's father very early in the film. What the hell does Maul do besides stay silent and look cool? He kills Qui-Gon at the end. YAWN. That's it. That's his purpose.
if you want to believe TPM is the best of the trilogy, fine, whatever. But now you're just sounding really silly with comments like that.
Bull%^&! That's how you want to remember him. Wake up!
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Anyone that debates the prequels actually being good or being real films in here should be banned. The prequels should be talked about in the "Gaming" section of blu-ray.com!
[Show spoiler] Pathetic you are!
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I dont care bout any of this prequel/original trilogy crap i love the whole saga and i hope the big box set has a great transfer and hours and hours of extras and unseen footage also itd be cool if there is a ultimate edition has steelbooks but wont hold my breath.
I couldn't bring myself to see Sith more than a couple times.
I was actually kinda depressed by the movie to be honest. All the death and such.
Odd, because to me Sith was the only prequel that really seemed like a part of the SW universe and felt like it was necessary to set up the original trilogy. The first two prequels could just as easily have been summed up in the opening crawl of the third and I wouldn't have felt like I missed anything.
And "all that death and such" was kind of necessary to tell the story.
Odd, because to me Sith was the only prequel that really seemed like a part of the SW universe and felt like it was necessary to set up the original trilogy.
All three of them are necessary. It's like saying only RotJ is necessary to the OT.
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The first two prequels could just as easily have been summed up in the opening crawl of the third and I wouldn't have felt like I missed anything.
Someone doesn't seem to grasp the concept of "Show Don't Tell".
Gotta love armchair directors who think they know how to make better films.
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And "all that death and such" was kind of necessary to tell the story.
Yes, it was. Which is why it had such an emotional impact and I couldn't enjoy repeated viewings.
I have watched it more on DVD of course. But it's still the movie with the least rewatchability due to depressing it is.
I understand "show, don't tell" just fine. Alfred Hitchcock described film editing as "cutting out the boring parts." Forgetting the first two prequels was just how I would "edit" the trilogy to accomplish that goal.
It always felt to me that George Lucas had committed himself to producing a trilogy but the story he really wanted to tell didn't kick in until RoTS. I think that's why the first two prequels seemed more like filler..
I understand "show, don't tell" just fine. Alfred Hitchcock described film editing as "cutting out the boring parts." Forgetting the first two prequels was just how I would "edit" the trilogy to accomplish that goal.
It always felt to me that George Lucas had committed himself to producing a trilogy but the story he really wanted to tell didn't kick in until RoTS. I think that's why the first two prequels seemed more like filler..
I think Lucas himself was quoted as saying TPM & AOTC told 25% of the back story and ROTS told 75%. I may be off on the percentages, but it was something close to that. This was from an interview Lucas did before the theatrical release of ROTS.
I enjoy TPM & AOTC. They both have a lot of fun moments and I look fwd. to owning them on BR. However I do agree with you that ROTS is a cut above them.
I think Lucas himself was quoted as saying TPM & AOTC told 25% of the back story and ROTS told 75%. I may be off on the percentages, but it was something close to that. This was from an interview Lucas did before the theatrical release of ROTS.
Correct, it might be 30% for TPM/AOTC and 70% ROTS. I could wrong as well, but for some reason that popped into my head.
And count another one who for the most part, prefers the SE's over the OT (can't get past Greedo shooting first, musical number / sarlacc change in ROTJ and the choppy insertion of Vader leaving Cloud City in TESB) - and I did growup with and saw the OT's in '77-'83.
I won't go as far as to say that Jar Jar/TPM is my fav, though, sorry Beast.
I just hope that all of those rumors that have been floating around for years, in regards to changes/added scenes (revamped Duel, Emperor getting rid of the Senate), are in fact, rumors.
Lucas might as well go all the way with the SE's, since people don't care about the changes and are going to buy them anyways. Have digital stunt doubles of Vader and Obi Wan fighting like super-athletic acrobats. Add in bullet time effects when the guy reaches for his gun in the cantina and Obi cuts his arm off. Add in a new scene with Yoda teaching Luke how to fight like a true Jedi Master by hopping all over the jungle like a crazed green monster. In fact, replace puppet Yoda with CGI Yoda. That would be AWESOME.
I hope he does, just piss the haters off even more! And though he's been blamed for the sound mixes, but never mixed except on ROTJ (1 of 3), give Ben Burtt free reign to create brand new mixes for all 6 films - the definetive Ben Burtt cut.
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