Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

The REAL Leia didn't age quite as well.

Well, Carrie's turned out okay in recent years.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

The REAL Leia didn't age quite as well.

[Show spoiler]

Geez, I crack me up...

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

Well, I really do think some fans had far-fetched ideas, especially about Anakin being some kind of cold-blooded monster from the start. That notion isn't even hinted at in the OT. Basically, what we learn from the earlier films is the following:

• Anakin was a good friend to Obi-Wan Kenobi, during the events of the Clone Wars
• When they first met, Obi-Wan was amazed by Anakin's strength in the Force
• Anakin was "the best star pilot in the galaxy", and a cunning warrior.
• He was Luke and Leia's father
• He was later seduced by the Dark Side, and became Darth Vader
• He was somehow made into being "more machine than man, twisted and evil".

That's all the details we get from the first trilogy; everything else seemed to balloon out of control in the fan community.

Actually, Anakin being a good friend to Obi-Wan(item #1) was handled very poorly in the PT. We have to be TOLD they are good friends since they certainly dont act like it. Anakin has little nice to say about Obi Wan and vice-versa. Watch carefully. Its the most important friendship in the whole series and they blew it....badly! Its worse than any Jar Jar thing could ever be. Im a huge Star wars and even PT fan but they botched that whole setup, IMO.

Otherwsie, yeah.... good points and summary.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

Actually, Anakin being a good friend to Obi-Wan(item #1) was handled very poorly in the PT. We have to be TOLD they are good friends since they certainly dont act like it. Anakin has little nice to say about Obi Wan and vice-versa. Watch carefully. Its the most important friendship in the whole series and they blew it....badly! Its worse than any Jar Jar thing could ever be. Im a huge Star wars and even PT fan but they botched that whole setup, IMO.

Otherwsie, yeah.... good points and summary.

"I pulled you out of that nightmare, master."

"Ah, yes." (creepy chuckle)

[Riddler The Slag]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

"Ah, yes." (creepy chuckle)

Well said. I showed the Star Wars saga for the first time to my other half (hard to believe she had never seen it) and that part made her look at me uneasy. I just assured her that the sh**tyness of Episode I & II will soon be a distant memory and it will start getting good.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by riddler the slag

well said. I showed the star wars saga for the first time to my other half (hard to believe she had never seen it) and that part made her look at me uneasy. I just assured her that the sh**tyness of episode i & ii will soon be a distant memory and it will start getting good.

4, 5, 1, 2, 3, 6

[Riddler The Slag]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

4, 5, 1, 2, 3, 6

Thats a unique way of showing them. No doubt about that!

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

More or less. For example, Kenobi was originally going to be present on Yavin, watching the battle with Leia. But during filming, Lucas realized he'd built up Kenobi was a former warrior, and had no payoff. So, he killed off the character...

I believe that it was Marcia that suggested and pushed that idea on him to make that change, if my memory serves me right.

Similar to her idea to have Marion show up at the end of Raiders due to BOTH George and Steven forgetting all about her. LOL

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[Gold Ranger]

The ONLY time i felt that Obi-Wan and Anakin were friends and cared for one another was when they said goodbye to each other on Coruscant in Sith...

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

I never had any problem in either movie buying into Obi-wan's side of the friendship. The problem was that they made Anakin loathe him. Even in the early parts of RotS, when he's playing the whole buddy/buddy routine with Obi-wan, you can see underneath it all that he disdains him.

Their friendship in 'The Clone Wars', on the other hand, is wonderful.

[motorheadache95]

Originally Posted by Aragorn84

I never had any problem in either movie buying into Obi-wan's side of the friendship. The problem was that they made Anakin loathe him. Even in the early parts of RotS, when he's playing the whole buddy/buddy routine with Obi-wan, you can see underneath it all that he disdains him.

Their friendship in 'The Clone Wars', on the other hand, is wonderful.

Clone Wars is pretty awesome. It was pretty bad initially (the "movie"), but quickly got better. Its also interesting how much better the characterization is in it-- we really get a feel for Anakin and Obi Wan's real friendship for the first time. And we actually see Anakin develop his skills as a fighter, pilot, and commmander in a way you never do in the movies, making it actually believable and acceptable that this guy becomes Darth Vader. IMO the series drastically elevates the prequel material.

[tigertron]

Originally Posted by motorheadache95

Clone Wars is pretty awesome. It was pretty bad initially (the "movie"), but quickly got better. Its also interesting how much better the characterization is in it-- we really get a feel for Anakin and Obi Wan's real friendship for the first time. And we actually see Anakin develop his skills as a fighter, pilot, and commmander in a way you never do in the movies, making it actually believable and acceptable that this guy becomes Darth Vader. IMO the series drastically elevates the prequel material.

Yeah, people that knock the prequels really need to watch this. Then they'd know TPM or AOTC is not the worst.

It took me some episodes to get into the Clone Wars but I definately enjoy it, and it I agree, it elevates the prequels. Its just ashame the series isn't live action. I would pay Lucas to redo the Clone Wars with the actors. Although I may have to rob every bank on the way to Skywalker Ranch...

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by tigertron

Yeah, people that knock the prequels really need to watch this. Then they'd know TPM or AOTC is not the worst.

It took me some episodes to get into the Clone Wars but I definately enjoy it, and it I agree, it elevates the prequels. Its just ashame the series isn't live action. I would pay Lucas to redo the Clone Wars with the actors. Although I may have to rob every bank on the way to Skywalker Ranch...

I actually want the reverse:
I want ALL the movies redone in the Animated Stlye. And expanded upon...more and longer scenes, all the sub-plots returned...

[Aquel]

Originally Posted by motorheadache95

Clone Wars is pretty awesome. It was pretty bad initially (the "movie"), but quickly got better. Its also interesting how much better the characterization is in it-- we really get a feel for Anakin and Obi Wan's real friendship for the first time. And we actually see Anakin develop his skills as a fighter, pilot, and commmander in a way you never do in the movies, making it actually believable and acceptable that this guy becomes Darth Vader. IMO the series drastically elevates the prequel material.

We also see Anakin how Lucas portrays him for a while at the start of ROTS (maybe it's time constraints that he preferred building up the conflict in Anakin instead of his good persona) in the films.

I personally like that Anakin is shown as a more.. full character. We get to see that is heroic and a likeable character in general. It makes the scenes where we get to see his darker side in the series(which the series explores in a few scenes) better. We also get to see his relationship with Obi-Wan which is quite interesting (their sarcastic and cynical banter toward each other is always good for a smile ).

[RayCRP]

Originally Posted by tigertron

It took me some episodes to get into the Clone Wars but I definately enjoy it, and it I agree, it elevates the prequels. Its just ashame the series isn't live action. I would pay Lucas to redo the Clone Wars with the actors. Although I may have to rob every bank on the way to Skywalker Ranch...

Originally Posted by Kinetic_Blue

I actually want the reverse:
I want ALL the movies redone in the Animated Stlye. And expanded upon...more and longer scenes, all the sub-plots returned...

Think Lucas has seen the CG work done with Tron: Legacy? It's not out of the realm of possibility that you both get your wish...

[Riddler The Slag]

Originally Posted by Aquel

I personally like that Anakin is shown as a more.. full character. We get to see that is heroic and a likeable character in general. It makes the scenes where we get to see his darker side in the series(which the series explores in a few scenes) better. We also get to see his relationship with Obi-Wan which is quite interesting (their sarcastic and cynical banter toward each other is always good for a smile ).

I love that Liam Neeson cameoed but the scene where they show Anakin his future as Vader and then wipe his memory was a bit of a waste.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by Riddler The Slag

I love that Liam Neeson cameoed but the scene where they show Anakin his future as Vader and then wipe his memory was a bit of a waste.

I was hoping that Lucas would've shot the scene for Qui-Gon counseling Yoda for the "Sith" Blu-Ray, or at least had Liam Neeson do a voice-over. The movie works without it, but that moment was so powerful in the novel.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

"I pulled you out of that nightmare, master."

I believe the line is, "You fell into that nightmare, master, and I rescued you, remember?"

[ObiTrentKenobi]

OK guys, revisiting this old thread for the billionth time...

I just watched some of the documentaries on the saga set last night - and finally came around to watching the "Anatomy of a dewback" doc again after over 12 years, and came across some really good info that gave me hope over the unaltered trilogy restoration:

1. More than 5 ILM employees were interviewed on the process of adding effects to the '97 special editions of the original trilogy.
2. They explained the process of finding the original negatives (One of the employees states that they specifically located the original "O" negatives. This is the "master" copy of the film.
3. George Lucas himself stated that he keeps a master copy of all his films as well (I'm assuming at the Ranch, since there were the "O" negative in a storage warehouse
4. They then stated that the first thing they did was have a 3rd party company wash and clean all the film and that it restored the quality of the negatives from "65-95%"
5. They then stated that the next step they did was make "BACKUPS AND DUPLICATES" of the "O" negatives (the cleaned master copies)
6. They then made "tape" backups to work from to do the new special effects and edits
7. One of the employees stated "these are classics, so we were sure to give them the best care and attention possible to not destroy them" (when talking about cleaning and restoring the original "O" negative to make backups of)

Conclusion: There are the original "O" negatives already cleaned and in the original state. From what I concluded, they didn't cut up the originals, they made redundant copies and edited from those. Therefore, a fully restored UOT is possible. He will crack eventually...

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

I believe the line is, "You fell into that nightmare, master, and I rescued you, remember?"

Ah.........yes.....muha