Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by MrFixit

Thanks for the info on the DVD versions. Would it be wise then to get the DVD Attack of the Clones (one I'm missing) instead of the newer saga of those episodes in BR? Read some of the reviews of tha set and seems the Phantom Menance has some PQ issues, The Attack of the Clones gets better and the Revenge of the Sixth appears to be the best of the lot.

I may have to pop in The Phantom Menance to see how it looks with the new Plasma TV and BR player. Right now I'm working on getting the BR sets of the animated Clone Wars. I'd rather pay $6-8 for a used DVD instead of $40 for a BR set which I have two of in DVD WS format.

the new iterations might have some issues, but look MILES better than their DVD counterparts. the difference is startling.

[blonde_devil]

Originally Posted by MrFixit

I'm sorry to ask this because I'm sure somewhere in the 2000+ post there's an answer and explination to this...

Why are the DVD versions especially the 1977 and 2004 release commanding such a high price (New)? I saw over on "online retailer" where some of these are up there in value big time. The 1977 DVD LE DVD's values are stunning.

The New Hope LE DVD with Enhance and Original 1977 version is at $99.00 new. The other two episodes; The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi comes in at $63.00 and $58.00.

And going forward to the new episodes, The Phantom Menance WS 2-Disc set is at $68.00 new. The Trilogy Set prices are even more with the 2004 set at $191.00 and the 1977 Trilogy Set at a whopping $319.00. Of course some of the used prices are more modest but the question is why? Was it something about the PQ, the CGI, certain scenes, etc...on the newer releases?


I've got the Phanton Menance and Revenge of the Sith Widescreen DVD's and also the 2004 Trilogy 4-Disc Set. I may have to lock them away now if they hold some sort of edge over the BR versions. i'm just curious as to why? Thanks


Kenny J

because they can. that is all it comes down too. seems to be a bit more of a limited release with the original version releases as they are harder to find now so if you have it, you can ask a small fortune for it. they are trying to make it seem like it is a collectable thing but really, it is just greed. anyone who wanted them already bought them when they came out so now they are trying to make movie off of those who didn't buy them at the time. there are some differences between the dvd releases and the bluray releases due to Lucas playing around somemore but if you don't like the bluray version, you won't like what is on the dvd anyways.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by MrFixit

Thanks for the info on the DVD versions. Would it be wise then to get the DVD Attack of the Clones (one I'm missing) instead of the newer saga of those episodes in BR?

If you can find it at a reasonable price it will be worth it for the deleted scenes and the "From Puppets to Pixels" documentary.

I think The Phantom Menace probably isn't the best example of Star Wars up-scaled, it wasn't the best looking DVD!

[A Sith Lord?]

Sorry I'm late, but is there any difference if I buy the Complete Saga vs. each trilogy separately?

Does the Complete Saga come with more stuff? I personally like the box art for both trilogies over the bland looking Complete Saga box. If the Complete Saga had a bunch more stuff with it, I'd consider buying it but if it has hte same stuff as the trilogy boxsets separately, I'll just spend a few bucks extra for the individual boxsets.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by MasturB

Sorry I'm late, but is there any difference if I buy the Complete Saga vs. each trilogy separately?

Does the Complete Saga come with more stuff? I personally like the box art for both trilogies over the bland looking Complete Saga box. If the Complete Saga had a bunch more stuff with it, I'd consider buying it but if it has hte same stuff as the trilogy boxsets separately, I'll just spend a few bucks extra for the individual boxsets.

the complete saga comes with 3 discs of special features that the individual sets don't have

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by MrFixit

I'm sorry to ask this because I'm sure somewhere in the 2000+ post there's an answer and explination to this...

Why are the DVD versions especially the 1977 and 2004 release commanding such a high price (New)? I saw over on "online retailer" where some of these are up there in value big time. The 1977 DVD LE DVD's values are stunning.

The New Hope LE DVD with Enhance and Original 1977 version is at $99.00 new. The other two episodes; The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi comes in at $63.00 and $58.00.

And going forward to the new episodes, The Phantom Menance WS 2-Disc set is at $68.00 new. The Trilogy Set prices are even more with the 2004 set at $191.00 and the 1977 Trilogy Set at a whopping $319.00. Of course some of the used prices are more modest but the question is why? Was it something about the PQ, the CGI, certain scenes, etc...on the newer releases?


I've got the Phanton Menance and Revenge of the Sith Widescreen DVD's and also the 2004 Trilogy 4-Disc Set. I may have to lock them away now if they hold some sort of edge over the BR versions. i'm just curious as to why? Thanks


Kenny J

None of the Star Wars movies are being made on DVD any longer. I believe they stopped manufacturing them last year. So, there is a demand there. In addition, some people disliked the further alterations made on the BD (such as the rock in front of R2 and the "Noooo" from Vader in Jedi). This also drove up the demands in some circles.

[Bluyoda]

I watched TPM to start off the new year today, and have to say, that I'd REALLY like to see this remastered!

I think 1/3 of the film looks mostly great, some even gorgeous, but way too many scenes have been DNR'd way too hard.

It's sad, because it could probably look like the remastered Gladiator BD release, which is drop dead gorgeous.

I don't understand what made them mess up this BD so much!

It's a 3,5/5 if not 3. I just KNOW this could so much better, as you can clearly see it in quite a few scenes!

Let's all demand a remaster!!!!!!

[Blu-21]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

I watched TPM to start off the new year today, and have to say, that I'd REALLY like to see this remastered!

I think 1/3 of the film looks mostly great, some even gorgeous, but way too many scenes have been DNR'd way too hard.

It's sad, because it could probably look like the remastered Gladiator BD release, which is drop dead gorgeous.

I don't understand what made them mess up this BD so much!

It's a 3,5/5 if not 3. I just KNOW this could so much better, as you can clearly see it in quite a few scenes!

Let's all demand a remaster!!!!!!

Wasn't the Blu-Ray already a remaster in itself? I mean it got re-colour timed and everything. The problem was that Lucus being so ignorant about making TPM (which was shot on film) match with his other 2 digitally shot prequels, sacrifices fine detail and texture via DNR. It is my opinion that since film has a higher resolution then digital that the entire OT (and especially TPM being the most modern of the group) were shot on, that with brand new 4K scans without the digital manipulation and enhancing they (ANH, ESB, ROTJ, TPM) would have all flourished so much more then what they do now. Its just because the out-of-date 2 digital prequels which were capped off at 1080p has held the others back for visual continuity reasons. I think this hurts TPM the most because it probably would have had the best picture quality out of the whole saga if it wasn't so limited. Lucus screwed up badly with this line of thinking. Hopefully Disney can rectify this.

[Nailwraps]

Questions:

-Can Fox renew their distribution deal with the Star Wars sequels/prequels before or by 2020 or is there no way?

-I worry that the Fox logo and fanfare won't proceed the 5 films after Disney gets them in 2020. Can Disney keep the logo and fanfare intact?

-And you know these aren't the first films Fox haven't lost; they lost plenty. Have home video releases of Highlander and Dead Ringers kept the Fox logo and fanfare intact (I know Cannonball Run still has it but the same can't be same for the US releases of Dario Argento's Inferno)?


And you know, I see Fox releasing the Saga on Blu-ray one more time before 2020 (maybe containing the theatrical versions).

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by Blu-21

Wasn't the Blu-Ray already a remaster in itself? I mean it got re-colour timed and everything. The problem was that Lucus being so ignorant about making TPM (which was shot on film) match with his other 2 digitally shot prequels, sacrifices fine detail and texture via DNR. It is my opinion that since film has a higher resolution then digital that the entire OT (and especially TPM being the most modern of the group) were shot on, that with brand new 4K scans without the digital manipulation and enhancing they (ANH, ESB, ROTJ, TPM) would have all flourished so much more then what they do now. Its just because the out-of-date 2 digital prequels which were capped off at 1080p has held the others back for visual continuity reasons. I think this hurts TPM the most because it probably would have had the best picture quality out of the whole saga if it wasn't so limited. Lucus screwed up badly with this line of thinking. Hopefully Disney can rectify this.

Yes, I believe it had a remaster of some kind, but the problem is that it was unnecessary to DNR it to death like this, as the only one looking softer than TPM would have been AOTC. ROTS is reference quality, and the OT looks mostly fantastic as well. I really don't see his reasoning here.
IT was a BAD choice indeed. I am not sure if TPM would have had the best PQ of the entire saga, but certainly up to par with the rest, and exceeding AOTC, which was shot in HD, but with the optional soft filter activated, as they thought it would be too sharp otherwise otherwise, and that was another bad choice, as it is irreversible, unlike some post production filtering applied.

Read under Image Quality here:

http://www.darkrealmfox.com/film_rev...of-the-clones/

That's the problem. AOTC is waht it is, but TPM can look much better.

[Roonan]

Originally Posted by Blu-21

The problem was that Lucus being so ignorant about making TPM (which was shot on film) match with his other 2 digitally shot prequels, sacrifices fine detail and texture via DNR.

For someone that's baselessly calling someone with much more film experience "ignorant", that's a very ignorant remark you made there yourself. The DNR applied was for the 3D conversion, not to match the rest of the prequels. Specially when Episode III has a grain effect added to make it more film-like.

Originally Posted by Blu-21

It is my opinion that since film has a higher resolution then digital that the entire OT (and especially TPM being the most modern of the group) were shot on, that with brand new 4K scans without the digital manipulation and enhancing they (ANH, ESB, ROTJ, TPM) would have all flourished so much more then what they do now. Its just because the out-of-date 2 digital prequels which were capped off at 1080p has held the others back for visual continuity reasons. I think this hurts TPM the most because it probably would have had the best picture quality out of the whole saga if it wasn't so limited.

I'm sorry, but what exactly was held back? All Star Wars movies shot on 35mm film have a current 2K scan. Of course they could have a higher scan made, but I understand that the necessity-cost ratio is not high enough for a 1080p capped format.

Originally Posted by Blu-21

Lucus screwed up badly with this line of thinking. Hopefully Disney can rectify this.

Disney won't rectify anything, since they don't hold the movies distribution rights. And it's Lucas.

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Read under Image Quality here:

I completely disagree with that review. In my opinion, AotC is the worse of the bunch with that added teal shift. How he even considers it to have more accurate, life-like colours is beyond me.

DVD:



BD:

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Roonan

For someone that's baselessly calling someone with much more film experience "ignorant", that's a very ignorant remark you made there yourself. The DNR applied was for the 3D conversion, not to match the rest of the prequels.

Lowry strikes again. SUCH a shame someone forgot to run the grain-replacement filter, either that or Lucas took one look at the uber-clean DNR'ed version and thought that it jived better with the softness (as shot) of Episode II.

[kingkong650]

Originally Posted by Roonan

For someone that's baselessly calling someone with much more film experience "ignorant", that's a very ignorant remark you made there yourself. The DNR applied was for the 3D conversion, not to match the rest of the prequels. Specially when Episode III has a grain effect added to make it more film-like.



I'm sorry, but what exactly was held back? All Star Wars movies shot on 35mm film have a current 2K scan. Of course they could have a higher scan made, but I understand that the necessity-cost ratio is not high enough for a 1080p capped format.



Disney won't rectify anything, since they don't hold the movies distribution rights. And it's Lucas.



I completely disagree with that review. In my opinion, AotC is the worse of the bunch with that added teal shift. How he even considers it to have more accurate, life-like colours is beyond me.

DVD:



HDTV:



BD:

Just added a hdtv screencap to your comparisons to show that the hdtv stream also shares the same colour timing as the dvd. Why GL chose to turn the film teal for the blu-ray is just inexplicable to me.

The hdtv stream has also not been DNRed like the blu-ray has so there's much more detail on show.

[Brightstar]

On May 25th 2013 Return of The Jedi will be 30 years old

[Roonan]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Lowry strikes again. SUCH a shame someone forgot to run the grain-replacement filter, either that or Lucas took one look at the uber-clean DNR'ed version and thought that it jived better with the softness (as shot) of Episode II.

Or, as I've said before, the DNR was applied for the 3D conversion.

Originally Posted by kingkong650

Just added a hdtv screencap to your comparisons to show that the hdtv stream also shares the same colour timing as the dvd.

Yes, the HDTV version uses the DVD master.

Originally Posted by kingkong650

Why GL chose to turn the film teal for the blu-ray is just inexplicable to me.

I don't think it was his choice, but only the 3D release can confirm that. I say this because Episode II had its original colour timing at Comic-Con and at the press junket (even the short clips of the movie in the extras show that). This was applied at the very last minute, before shipping the discs.

[Blu-21]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Yes, I believe it had a remaster of some kind, but the problem is that it was unnecessary to DNR it to death like this, as the only one looking softer than TPM would have been AOTC. ROTS is reference quality, and the OT looks mostly fantastic as well. I really don't see his reasoning here.
IT was a BAD choice indeed. I am not sure if TPM would have had the best PQ of the entire saga, but certainly up to par with the rest, and exceeding AOTC, which was shot in HD, but with the optional soft filter activated, as they thought it would be too sharp otherwise otherwise, and that was another bad choice, as it is irreversible, unlike some post production filtering applied.

Read under Image Quality here:

http://www.darkrealmfox.com/film_rev...of-the-clones/

That's the problem. AOTC is waht it is, but TPM can look much better.

It was definitely unnecessary to DNR it so much. Whether that be because that's what was needed for the 3D conversion to work, or Lucas trying to match the visual consistency of AOTC and to a lesser extent ROTS (which I agree was reference quality), or maybe it was a combination of both. Regardless of his intentions, the facts are TPM looks far too smooth, no longer resembles film and is lacking in detail which could have been avoided with the right treatment (i.e less digital tampering) where as AOTC with that optional soft filter applied during production can never be undone but is still the fault of Lucas. I disagree about the OT looking 'mostly fantastic' they could have lookd so much better as well (although even in there current state, they still look better overall then TPM and AOTC IMO) but still, whist they are decent, they still look and feel like scans that were made for DVD if you know what I mean.

At the end of the day, Lucas made some bad decisions for both TPM, AOTC and even the OT for refusing to scan them at 4K with modern high end equipment. The only one he got absolutely right was ROTS which looks as good as it can and is a reference Blu-Ray for PQ in general.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Roonan

Or, as I've said before, the DNR was applied for the 3D conversion.

The fact is that the DNR is there on the 2D Blu-ray, so why didn't Lowry - for it is they who did the deed - do their grain replacement thing for the 2D version once they had scrubbed the movie clean ready for 3D-ification? Like I said, Lucas probably preferred the anodyne digital cleanliness of the DNR'ed master. Either that or he was too cheap to spring for a grain replacement pass.

[Roonan]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

The fact is that the DNR is there on the 2D Blu-ray, so why didn't Lowry - for it is they who did the deed - do their grain replacement thing for the 2D version once they had scrubbed the movie clean ready for 3D-ification?

I never saw any reference that shows it was Lowry who did the restoration. It was always Lucasfilm/ILM. And the 3D conversion was already being made, thus that was the version they had available for the Blu-ray.

EDIT: Nevermind. Found a source.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Like I said, Lucas probably preferred the anodyne digital cleanliness of the DNR'ed master. Either that or he was too cheap to spring for a grain replacement pass.

All speculation. If he hated grain so much and wanted everything DNR'd, why did he added grain to Episode III? Sorry, but that "argument" has no basis.

[tigertron]

Originally Posted by Blu-21

At the end of the day, Lucas made some bad decisions for both TPM, AOTC and even the OT for refusing to scan them at 4K with modern high end equipment. The only one he got absolutely right was ROTS which looks as good as it can and is a reference Blu-Ray for PQ in general.

This.

All I can say is that the original TPM and AOTC transfers need to be released, because what Lucas did was unforgivable, the DNR destroyed TPM (even though they did a decent job of maintaining detail) and AOTC's teal tint is disgusting.

Maybe when Fox loses the rights in 2020, Disney can re-release the correct looking set.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Roonan

I never saw any reference that shows it was Lowry who did the restoration. It was always Lucasfilm/ILM. And the 3D conversion was already being made, thus that was the version they had available for the Blu-ray.

EDIT: Nevermind. Found a source.

Wasn't lying, was I?

All speculation. If he hated grain so much and wanted everything DNR'd, why did he added grain to Episode III? Sorry, but that "argument" has no basis.

Ah, but I didn't say that "he hated grain so much and wanted everything DNR'd", you've made that leap all by yourself. What I said was that he probably took a look at the DNR'ed master and decided that it was good enough given the softer look of the movie that immediately follows it. BTW it's all speculation bro, I'm not on the LFL board and I'm betting that you aren't either.

And yes, there be grain in Sith, but how does that atone for what was done to Phantom Menace? Answer: it doesn't.