Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

So there will be a HD release of the OUTs then?

Was it implied that having the film "preserved" in it's original cut meant an entitlement to an upgrade every time it was remastered and released on a new home video format? If so, then yeah, you don't get satisfaction as long as personal property rights still exist. If you want it 'preserved' in it's original content and in it's original release, then yeah, there's no problem.

We've been over this before. The National Film Registry can and will keep it in the quality it was released in at the time. That doesn't mean it gets expensive remastering and distribution on someone else's dime. Fans of that cut can enjoy it all the way on a zillion VHS copies and a good number of non-anamorphic DVD. To say nothing of the illegal edits available at various places at one's own legal peril.

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by Uxi

Was it implied that having the film "preserved" in it's original cut meant an entitlement to an upgrade every time it was remastered and released on a new home video format? If so, then yeah, you don't get satisfaction as long as personal property rights still exist. If you want it 'preserved' in it's original content and in it's original release, then yeah, there's no problem.

We've been over this before. The National Film Registry can and will keep it in the quality it was released in at the time. That doesn't mean it gets expensive remastering and distribution on someone else's dime. Fans of that cut can enjoy it all the way on a zillion VHS copies and a good number of non-anamorphic DVD. To say nothing of the illegal edits available at various places at one's own legal peril.

I agree the original cuts of episodes 4-6 must be preserved in it's original form. But over the years Lucas has said that original cuts don't represent his original vision of star wars. I hope he re-considers and release every single cut on blu-ray but if only the speical editions of episodes 4-6 are released on blu-ray I'm ok with that.

[JoshKelhoffer]

Originally Posted by high def ho!

Thats the biggest load of crap I've ever read in my entire life. Are you insane? You think that a movie should be changed over and over and over as technology changes? You need to be locked up! Whether Lucas or anyone else likes it, Star Wars doesn't belong to just one man. It belongs to every person who grew up loving it. I know that doesn't fit into your selfish, idealistic point of view, but it is the truth. If you don't appreciate the film for what it was then just say that. Don't hide it under some idealistic veil that this movie belongs to one man or that new technology trumps old. All of the new technology in the world has not done anything for Lucas except to show that the original low-tech versions were groundbreaking, and the new ones suck. I am all for him updating them and finalizing his vision, but as a part of beautiful film history the originals do deserve preservation. If you are too blind to see that then I pity you. In 100 years people will remember Star Wars as a landmark achievement; but who will remember you?

I agree. There is no artistic merit in changing your work 100 times over. Whatsoever.

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by Uxi

lol, get a clue. Here's a hint, it does only belong to one man. Legally. Morally. Rightfully. If he hadn't been the way he is, it would have never existed at all. Don't like it? Too bad.

Bingo!

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by STARKILLER--1138

Bingo!

agreed.

[KubrickFan]

Originally Posted by Uxi

lol, get a clue. Here's a hint, it does only belong to one man. Legally. Morally. Rightfully. If he hadn't been the way he is, it would have never existed at all. Don't like it? Too bad.

Mostly legally, since a lot of folks' contributions made it the way it is now. And of course, if Lucas decided to only restore it (which was the original plan) in 1997, then we wouldn't be in this situation either.

[gregmasciola]

Originally Posted by STARKILLER--1138

I know! Don't even get me started on ESB! I know there are some things that can't be changed like the story and sloooooooooooow pace, but things like the Hoth battle and Asteroid chase could use some improvement definitely. Hope to see an actual "battle" of Hoth more like the battle of Geonosis instead of the skirmish that it is. Would also like to see the asteroid fx improved more like what is in AOTC. Hell, the asteroid scenes in Airplane 2 looked better...lol!

If no changes are made, fine. I've accepted the movie for what it is; but, this would be the perfect time for those improvements.

I honestly think the Hoth battle is just fine the way it is. It's exciting and the effects in it look fine. I actually like the special editions (parts of them), but I wouldn't want George to keep changing the movies over and over again.

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by gregmasciola

I honestly think the Hoth battle is just fine the way it is. It's exciting and the effects in it look fine. I actually like the special editions (parts of them), but I wouldn't want George to keep changing the movies over and over again.

Yea the speical editions are fine they way they are.

[motorheadache95]

I know you could make a lengthy list of every version of the OT with every little change in it, but there are fundamentally TWO versions of the original trilogy: the original versions, and the George Lucas revisionist cut. Each new revisionist cut represents Lucas' attempt to create the movie he truly wants with the latest tech, in which case you would "throw out" the previous version. I don't think I've heard any large outcry over not having a preservation of the 1997 versions.

Based on what you revisionist supporters are arguing (like Uxi and Starkiller), these versions (along with probably the prequels) would be constantly revisited and reworked every 5-10 years with the latest technology, presumably until George Lucas dies or finally gets sick of altering them. Personally, I think you guys are nuts but that's just my opinion.

Here's the funny thing about all this arguing-- all of it would be moot if the original version would be preserved and released properly. Then Lucas could revise the movie all he wanted, and nobody would care or complain. The ones who wanted the original version would be satisfied, and those who enjoy keeping up with Lucas' constant revisions would be fine. But hey, all this arguing on a message board is pointless-- they'll either be released one day somehow or they won't. So I say it's time to retire the argument. If you like the prequels and '04 revisions, then by all means enjoy the Blu-Ray set. Maybe you'll never need to buy another one. The rest of us will continue to enjoy our laserdisc transfers and hope one day Lucas stops being a jerk and gives us a break. Peace out!

[gregmasciola]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

Yea the speical editions are fine they way they are.

Funny.

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by gregmasciola

Funny.

What so funny? All I said that the speical editions of 4-6 don't need more changes.

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by motorheadache95

I know you could make a lengthy list of every version of the OT with every little change in it, but there are fundamentally TWO versions of the original trilogy: the original versions, and the George Lucas revisionist cut. Each new revisionist cut represents Lucas' attempt to create the movie he truly wants with the latest tech, in which case you would "throw out" the previous version. I don't think I've heard any large outcry over not having a preservation of the 1997 versions.

Based on what you revisionist supporters are arguing (like Uxi and Starkiller), these versions (along with probably the prequels) would be constantly revisited and reworked every 5-10 years with the latest technology, presumably until George Lucas dies or finally gets sick of altering them. Personally, I think you guys are nuts but that's just my opinion.

Here's the funny thing about all this arguing-- all of it would be moot if the original version would be preserved and released properly. Then Lucas could revise the movie all he wanted, and nobody would care or complain. The ones who wanted the original version would be satisfied, and those who enjoy keeping up with Lucas' constant revisions would be fine. But hey, all this arguing on a message board is pointless-- they'll either be released one day somehow or they won't. So I say it's time to retire the argument. If you like the prequels and '04 revisions, then by all means enjoy the Blu-Ray set. Maybe you'll never need to buy another one. The rest of us will continue to enjoy our laserdisc transfers and hope one day Lucas stops being a jerk and gives us a break. Peace out!

I agree 100%

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by Monolithium

That is along the lines of what I was thinking about. But the Force would want an individual who could have perfect control both sides. Even a Jedi Master has only achieved 50% power of the Force. So yes, someone could bring balance to the Lightside of the Force.

Exactly. Just because this particular story was about a man who was good, then evil, then good again does not mean the light side is the only side that counts or is viable. The Force obviously has a dark side. Just because the viewpoint of so many is that returning to light is the proper thing, does not mean that the balance of power resting with the "good" side is the true nature of the Force. If the Force is supposed to be balanced, that requires both sides. That is what Anakin did. Good or evil is not the point, BALANCE is.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by motorheadache95

Here's the funny thing about all this arguing-- all of it would be moot if the original version would be preserved and released properly. Then Lucas could revise the movie all he wanted, and nobody would care or complain.

Why should he do that? He mention countless time that his version of Star Wars are the special edition. If that is the version he say as the creator of Star Wars then why should he work, restore and release a version he find's inferior and as no longer any meaning for him?

What is really funny is that most of the people screaming and foaming at the mouth demanding the original version are probably the same people who spend their time screaming and foaming at the mouth in other threads about OAR and directors intent and respecting the wish of the directors and creator vision. Yet with Star Wars they don't care about the creator's wishes.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Why should he do that? He mention countless time that his version of Star Wars are the special edition. If that is the version he say as the creator of Star Wars then why should he work, restore and release a version he find's inferior and as no longer any meaning for him?

What is really funny is that most of the people screaming and foaming at the mouth demanding the original version are probably the same people who spend their time screaming and foaming at the mouth in other threads about OAR and directors intent and respecting the wish of the directors and creator vision. Yet with Star Wars they don't care about the creator's wishes.

I'm a consumer. I don't particularly care whether Rosemary's Baby or Chinatown has any 'meaning' for the powers that be at Paramount. I just want them to release it.

If they get some personal satisfaction out of that, great. If not, that's okay too.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by octagon

I'm a consumer. I don't particularly care whether Rosemary's Baby or Chinatown has any 'meaning' for the powers that be at Paramount. I just want them to release it.

If they get some personal satisfaction out of that, great. If not, that's okay too.

You are the customer yes and your right is not to buy what he offer's you if youdo not like it, his right (yes he as one too) is to release what he wasnt's

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by motorheadache95

I know you could make a lengthy list of every version of the OT with every little change in it, but there are fundamentally TWO versions of the original trilogy: the original versions, and the George Lucas revisionist cut. Each new revisionist cut represents Lucas' attempt to create the movie he truly wants with the latest tech, in which case you would "throw out" the previous version. I don't think I've heard any large outcry over not having a preservation of the 1997 versions.

Based on what you revisionist supporters are arguing (like Uxi and Starkiller), these versions (along with probably the prequels) would be constantly revisited and reworked every 5-10 years with the latest technology, presumably until George Lucas dies or finally gets sick of altering them. Personally, I think you guys are nuts but that's just my opinion.

Here's the funny thing about all this arguing-- all of it would be moot if the original version would be preserved and released properly. Then Lucas could revise the movie all he wanted, and nobody would care or complain. The ones who wanted the original version would be satisfied, and those who enjoy keeping up with Lucas' constant revisions would be fine. But hey, all this arguing on a message board is pointless-- they'll either be released one day somehow or they won't. So I say it's time to retire the argument. If you like the prequels and '04 revisions, then by all means enjoy the Blu-Ray set. Maybe you'll never need to buy another one. The rest of us will continue to enjoy our laserdisc transfers and hope one day Lucas stops being a jerk and gives us a break. Peace out!

Basically, I agree with you. Believe it or not, I think I even signed the petition to restore and release the OT in its original form, or almost signed it.
What pissed me off was the behavior of many of those SE and Prequel haters.
They think SW belongs to them, just because they paid a couple of tickets, and bought the set on VHS, Laserdisc and DVD...
It's their attitude that annoys me.

I am actually FOR the restoration and preservation of the OT, but these "fans" are just a pain in the a%^.
I have had it with them, as whenever we want to celebrate SW in a joyous manner they try their best to spoil it for us with all their negativity.

Also, they have pink colored memories of the OT, because those were the films they grew up with.
A little objectivity would be healthy.
The SEs practically don't change the story at all, just add a little scope here and there. I really don't see all the fuzz. It's being blown way out of proportions!
I mean, no one in their right mind can tell me that they liked the original Jabba sequence better (ROTJ, or that Mos Eisly looked like an actual city in ANH, or that the original Ending song in ROTJ was even close to being any good!?!?!??!
It's just those rosy nostalgic memories.
If they changed their attitude about the SE and the Prequels, then I would certainly sign the petition, as it's necessary to preserve these historic documents.
Sure they are entitled to their opinions about the SE and the PT, but a "bit" more objectivity would do any harm, would it!?!?!?

Now the technology is ready to do pretty much anything you want, so it's the perfect time to finish them once and for all.
In 1994, when they were working on the SEs, the technology was still in its infancy, and George was testing what he could accomplish in his PT.
Yeah, they did improve some things on the 2004 versions, and now they are pretty darn good (no film will ever be perfect anyway), but for the BD release and the upcoming 3-D releases, they could make the ultimate final cuts.

The OT should be made available to the public in the best possible form-BD, but it's still up to the creator of SW- George Lucas, to decide whether or not that's going to happen, and moaning about it on the internet, spreading all this negativity, like a 3 year old kid in the supermarket, that doesn't get the sweets it wants, won't do any good, and is only contra-productive IMHO.
Peace out.
Btw, we have tried many times to end the constant bickering, but that, apparently is never going to end it seems.

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

You are the customer yes and your right is not to buy what he offer's you if youdo not like it, his right (yes he as one too) is to release what he wasnt's

If Lucas only releases the special editions on blu-ray as I've said before I am that will be fine by me.

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Basically, I agree with you. Believe it or not, I think I even signed the petition to restore and release the OT in its original form, or almost signed it.
What pissed me off was the behavior of many of those SE and Prequel haters.
They think SW belongs to them, just because they paid a couple of tickets, and bought the set on VHS, Laserdisc and DVD...
It's their attitude that annoys me.

I am actually FOR the restoration and preservation of the OT, but these "fans" are just a pain in the a%^.
I have had it with them, as whenever we want to celebrate SW in a joyous manner they try their best to spoil it for us with all their negativity.

Also, they have pink colored memories of the OT, because those were the films they grew up with.
A little objectivity would be healthy.
The SEs practically don't change the story at all, just add a little scope here and there. I really don't see all the fuzz. It's being blown way out of proportions!
I mean, no one in their right mind can tell me that they liked the original Jabba sequence better (ROTJ, or that Mos Eisly looked like an actual city in ANH, or that the original Ending song in ROTJ was even close to being any good!?!?!??!
It's just those rosy nostalgic memories.
If they changed their attitude about the SE and the Prequels, then I would certainly sign the petition, as it's necessary to preserve these historic documents.
Sure they are entitled to their opinions about the SE and the PT, but a "bit" more objectivity would do any harm, would it!?!?!?

Now the technology is ready to do pretty much anything you want, so it's the perfect time to finish them once and for all.
In 1994, when they were working on the SEs, the technology was still in its infancy, and George was testing what he could accomplish in his PT.
Yeah, they did improve some things on the 2004 versions, and now they are pretty darn good (no film will ever be perfect anyway), but for the BD release and the upcoming 3-D releases, they could make the ultimate final cuts.

The OT should be made available to the public in the best possible form-BD, but it's stil up to the creator of SW to decide whether or not that's going to happen, and moaning about it on the internet, spreading all this negativity like a 3 year old kid in the supermarket that doesn't get the sweet it wants, won't do any good, and is only contra-productive IMHO.
Peace out.
Btw, we have tried many times to end the constant bickering, but that, apparently is never going to end it seems.

I agree whole heartedly 100%.

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Basically, I agree with you. Believe it or not, I think I even signed the petition to restore and release the OT in its original form, or almost signed it.
What pissed me off was the behavior of many of those SE and Prequel haters.
They think SW belongs to them, just because they paid a couple of tickets, and bought the set on VHS, Laserdisc and DVD...
It's their attitude that annoys me.

I am actually FOR the restoration and preservation of the OT, but these "fans" are just a pain in the a%^.
I have had it with them, as whenever we want to celebrate SW in a joyous manner they try their best to spoil it for us with all their negativity.

Also, they have pink colored memories of the OT, because those were the films they grew up with.
A little objectivity would be healthy.
The SEs practically don't change the story at all, just add a little scope here and there. I really don't see all the fuzz. It's being blown way out of proportions!
I mean, no one in their right mind can tell me that they liked the original Jabba sequence better (ROTJ, or that Mos Eisly looked like an actual city in ANH, or that the original Ending song in ROTJ was even close to being any good!?!?!??!
It's just those rosy nostalgic memories.
If they changed their attitude about the SE and the Prequels, then I would certainly sign the petition, as it's necessary to preserve these historic documents.
Sure they are entitled to their opinions about the SE and the PT, but a "bit" more objectivity would do any harm, would it!?!?!?

Now the technology is ready to do pretty much anything you want, so it's the perfect time to finish them once and for all.
In 1994, when they were working on the SEs, the technology was still in its infancy, and George was testing what he could accomplish in his PT.
Yeah, they did improve some things on the 2004 versions, and now they are pretty darn good (no film will ever be perfect anyway), but for the BD release and the upcoming 3-D releases, they could make the ultimate final cuts.

The OT should be made available to the public in the best possible form-BD, but it's still up to the creator of SW- George Lucas, to decide whether or not that's going to happen, and moaning about it on the internet, spreading all this negativity, like a 3 year old kid in the supermarket, that doesn't get the sweet it wants, won't do any good, and is only contra-productive IMHO.
Peace out.
Btw, we have tried many times to end the constant bickering, but that, apparently is never going to end it seems.