Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Dotpattern]

Originally Posted by motorheadache95

Actually, if it wasn't for Fett, Vader would have never found Han and Leia on Cloud City. Han had duped the entire fleet, and only Boba Fett was smart enough to figure out what trick Han was pulling.

Yeah, that's what I said...he followed them.

Originally Posted by motorheadache95

Interesting experiment showing a Star Wars virgin the chronological order. Still, I don't understand how anyone could watch Episode II and not be both bored with the movie and repulsed with the Anakin/Padme love story.

She's a chick. Chick's love love stories. Plus, if you don't have the love story, then you don't have Luke and Leia.

[supersonic395]

I'd like to put forward a "devil's advocate" response to DotPattern's account. Not that I don't believe you, but this is for the cynics

Here I go:

"I think your account is bullshit. Bullshit in terms of "showing the gf". I think your account comes from someone who is trying to logically and rationally put forward a point and then have it addressed with the same level of rationality. But how would I do this? Most internetards are very irrational, only go for absolutes and generally full of double standards, nostalgia, stupidity and immaturity. Hmmm let me think. Removing all of these preconceptions and "ideals" means I can present a view that makes sense. However how to remove them is the problem. Now, I'm dealing with internetards, so let's bring the weird creature called woman. And present my viewpoint but under the guise of woman. Woman is very powerful among internetards and is good at cleaning up all of those silly fanboi traits. Let's see what happens when they can reply rationally and logically. Result? Omg! It's like everyone pretty much agrees and for once no one is horribly insulting George Lucas. This is my New Hope."

Admit it

(FYI, this doesn't make your post any less valid).

[Dotpattern]

Originally Posted by supersonic395

I'd like to put forward a "devil's advocate" response to DotPattern's account. Not that I don't believe you, but this is for the cynics

Here I go:

"I think your account is bullshit. Bullshit in terms of "showing the gf". I think your account comes from someone who is trying to logically and rationally put forward a point and then have it addressed with the same level of rationality. But how would I do this? Most internetards are very irrational, only go for absolutes and generally full of double standards, nostalgia, stupidity and immaturity. Hmmm let me think. Removing all of these preconceptions and "ideals" means I can present a view that makes sense. However how to remove them is the problem. Now, I'm dealing with internetards, so let's bring the weird creature called woman. And present my viewpoint but under the guise of woman. Woman is very powerful among internetards and is good at cleaning up all of those silly fanboi traits. Let's see what happens when they can reply rationally and logically. Result? Omg! It's like everyone pretty much agrees and for once no one is horribly insulting George Lucas. This is my New Hope."

Admit it

(FYI, this doesn't make your post any less valid).

I generally don't like to use "LOL" but you genuinely made me LOL. Look, there's absolutely nothing I can say to make a cynic believe me if they simply don't believe. All I can say is I don't know what point I'd be making by making up a story like that. I personally prefer the OT. I don't hate the PT. I LOVE ANH. She didn't like it all. I grilled her on it, justified it, and it didn't matter. She didn't like it. Letting you know that my girlfriend's perspective was much different than my own because she didn't have the history/nostalgia that I have doesn't prove anything, nor am I trying to prove anything. I just thought it was an interesting perspective and thought I'd share.

[supersonic395]

Originally Posted by Dotpattern

I generally don't like to use "LOL" but you genuinely made me LOL. Look, there's absolutely nothing I can say to make a cynic believe me if they simply don't believe. All I can say is I don't know what point I'd be making by making up a story like that. I personally prefer the OT. I don't hate the PT. I LOVE ANH. She didn't like it all. I grilled her on it, justified it, and it didn't matter. She didn't like it. Letting you know that my girlfriend's perspective was much different than my own because she didn't have the history/nostalgia that I have doesn't prove anything, nor am I trying to prove anything. I just thought it was an interesting perspective and thought I'd share.

I 100% agree with you man. I just wanted to put forward the devil's advocate response for interest.

Putting this cynic/devil's advocate nonsense away,

I find the perspective on ANH quite interesting, especially the way the film now fits in with the other 5.

In Eps I-III (especially II-III) a lot is going on. And it reaches an all time high during Ep III. Then in ANH it's all fairly "easy-ish" going. It's kind of a ripple effect from ROTS. I personally think it works very well, Luke is slowly introduced and then it kicks off at the end of ANH and continues doing so until the end of ROTJ.

Talking about this stuff makes me want to see those Blu rays asap.

[kenkraly2004]

I am excited for the blu-ray release some fans they are'nt because the oot won't be in the set. Do I agree that all the versions of the verisons of the oot should be on the blu-rays absolutely they should be.

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

I am excited for the blu-ray release some fans they are'nt because the oot won't be in the set. Do I agree that all the versions of the verisons of the oot should be on the blu-rays absolutely they should be.

While I agree, I think that would be way too much. I mean you have the original versions, the first set of alterations, the second set of alterations and whatever is being done to them now. That would be 4 versions of the OT. I also know they're working on the PT. I just don't know if what is being done right now (to the OT or PT) will be part of the initial BD release.

What I would like (as I've said before) is for G.L. to do everything he wants to do. I want him to do it completely & correctly, then give up the final, final versions along with the original (but restored) versions.

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

While I agree, I think that would be way too much. I mean you have the original versions, the first set of alterations, the second set of alterations and whatever is being done to them now. That would be 4 versions of the OT. I also know they're working on the PT. I just don't know if what is being done right now (to the OT or PT) will be part of the initial BD release.

What I would like (as I've said before) is for G.L. to do everything he wants to do. I want him to do it completely & correctly, then give up the final, final versions along with the original (but restored) versions.

I agree.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by Agent Bond

The movie was so dry and boring until The Clone Troopers came to the rescue.

I dont mind EP 2. It does a lot of setup and plot advancement that has to take place somewhere. Throughout film history, you'll often find that the 2nd film in a true trilogy is often the least favorite of the three because it has to bridge the gap from the 1st to the 3rd films. The 2nd film cant have too much revealed or it will kill the 3rd film. And, the initial setups are handled in the 1st film.

Just seems to be the way it is. Sure, the Anakin/Padme stuff is rather sappy but it has to be there. It could have been done much better, no doubt, but it has to be there. Everything else in EP 2 is actually pretty cool, IMO.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

While I agree, I think that would be way too much. I mean you have the original versions, the first set of alterations, the second set of alterations and whatever is being done to them now. That would be 4 versions of the OT. I also know they're working on the PT. I just don't know if what is being done right now (to the OT or PT) will be part of the initial BD release.

What I would like (as I've said before) is for G.L. to do everything he wants to do. I want him to do it completely & correctly, then give up the final, final versions along with the original (but restored) versions.

Well, the only thing I will say is this. For the Original Trilogy, I think that 3 versions should be released. The original versions, the 1997 theatrical Special Editions, and then whatever the newest updated version is.

Contraversy over the changes aside, the 1997 theatrical re-release was a big deal, and while the original versions are more important in my eyes, these versions are a close second. So, they should also be preserved (with the crappy version of CGI Jabba and all).

I don't necessarily feel that the 2004 versions need to be preserved. For one thing, while additional changes may be done for whatever the new versions will be, I doubt it will be anything substantial. Maybe they will just fix the lightsaber FX and little things along those lines. Odds are the bigger changes made in the '04 editions (the redone Jabba in Ep 4, the change in the Emperor in Ep 5, young Anikin's ghost and the added cities, etc, to the end of Ep 6) will all remain intact (for better or worse... depending on how you feel about them). And hopefully they correct some of the technical errors (i.e. the color timing and sound mixing issues) that occurred from the rush job that was done in bringing the movies to DVD in 2004.



One thing that I will say is that I do feel that Lucas and Lucasfilm should do a better job of letting people know what they are getting, and aknowledging that additional changes have been made, and accurately advertising the product as such.

Back in 2004 when the Trilogy came out on DVD, I remember the commercials didn't really do anything to specify the versions included. The only way to have known about the new changes and that it wasn't the original versions prior to obtaining the DVDs was to read info online... and while a lot of people do that, there are still plenty more "average joes" who don't read up on each release before purchasing. I actually found the commercials to be somewhat misleading because the advertising referred to the set as including "all 3 classic movies". Granted, yes, at their core, they are the same movies, but I think it was kind of a sneaky way for them to lead the general public into thinking they were getting the original versions while still being able to say that they didn't "technically" lie about it (even though they were clearly leading people to think one thing while doing another).

What I found sort of even more disturbing was that the new changes were in no way reflected in the ending credits as far as I can tell. When the movies were redone in 1997, additions were made to the ending credits to aknowledge the additional work that was done, and they were also updated to show the original release years of the respective movies, and the year 1997 for the additions that were done.

For the 2004 release, nothing was added. It was pretty much the same credits from 1997 as far as I can tell (if anything was added, then I missed it). I think Lucas should be required to update that accordingly with each new revision.




And I also found part of the original announcement for the upcoming Blu-Ray release as posted here on Blu-Ray.com to be misleading (in a manner that coincides with Lucas "sneakily" making additional changes and not aknowledging them in the ending credits):

https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=4996

Here is the specific part that I take issue with:

Lucas also clarified that the original trilogy movies will be included as they were shown theatrically in 1997 and released on DVD in 2004 - i.e., the original versions will not be included. "You have to go through and do a whole restoration on it, and you have to do that digitally," he said. "It's a very, very expensive process to do it. So when we did the transfer to digital, we only transferred really the upgraded version."

Now, when I first read this, while I knew we would not be getting the original versions, my first thought was that we would still be getting 2 separate versions... the 1997 theatrical versions AND the 2004 versions (granted, I did and still do expect there to be further "improvements" on the "2004" editions, but as I stated previously, I doubt it will be anything as extensive as what has come in past revisions).

And I found this idea to be cool (I even left a comment in the that news announcement to that effect) because even though we still weren't getting the original versions, at least people would have the option of watching the movie with the "old" Aknikin ghost at the end of Jedi, with the original Boba Feet voice, etc, if that is what you happen to prefer.

But then someone pointed out in the comments that they don't think we are getting 2 separate versions, but rather that Lucas was referring to the versions in the theater in 1997 and on DVD in 2004 as if they are one and the same. And I realized that he is probably right about that.

And if so, that really bothers me in the sense that not only is he continuing to make these changes, but he's trying to sort of "sweep it under the rug" by not updating the ending credits accordingly, and by trying to pass it off as part of his original revisions from 1997 (to date the only set of revisions that he really publically aknowledged by calling it the "special edition"), when in reality further alterations have occurred.


While I still stand firmly behind the idea that the original versions should be re-released... even if we want to go with the arguement that they are his movies and he can do with them what he wants and release whatever version he chooses, that's fine (to an extent).

But I do think that he should be REQUIRED to properly inform the public of what the product really is within any announcements for it, any advertising for it, and even on the product, itself. I'm not saying that the movies should come with a point-by-point list of all of the changes made, but there should either be some kind of sticker on the package or some text on the back of the box (and in a noticable place in legible text... not in some kind of small-ass fine print) that specifies something to the effect of "These are not the original versions of the films... they include additional changes/additions/alterations that occurred in 1997, 2004, and 2011". And a similar notation should aknowledge any changes that may occur to the PT films as well.

Let him make his changes and sell the product that he wants to the general public. But INFORM the public properly of just what they are getting. I don't think that is an absurd expectation.

While I'm sure some people will just shrug it off as being no big deal, I do feel the annoucnement as quoted above is running a very fine line as being false advertising. If what Lucas is doing (in the way he advertised the 2004 DVDs as being "all 3 classic movies", and in making it sound like the versions we are getting next year are the same ones from 1997) isn't technically false advertising and isn't technically illegal, then I think it should be, or at least some kind of new scrict law should be put in place requiring that the public is better informed of what is being included in cases like this.

It's one thing for him to make these changes, but he shouldn't be able to just sneak them in under the noses of the public.

[toddly6666]

I hope George Lucas watches The Black Swan to remind himself on how he wasted such a good actress.

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

Well, the only thing I will say is this. For the Original Trilogy, I think that 3 versions should be released. The original versions, the 1997 theatrical Special Editions, and then whatever the newest updated version is.

Contraversy over the changes aside, the 1997 theatrical re-release was a big deal, and while the original versions are more important in my eyes, these versions are a close second. So, they should also be preserved (with the crappy version of CGI Jabba and all).

I don't necessarily feel that the 2004 versions need to be preserved. For one thing, while additional changes may be done for whatever the new versions will be, I doubt it will be anything substantial. Maybe they will just fix the lightsaber FX and little things along those lines. Odds are the bigger changes made in the '04 editions (the redone Jabba in Ep 4, the change in the Emperor in Ep 5, young Anikin's ghost and the added cities, etc, to the end of Ep 6) will all remain intact (for better or worse... depending on how you feel about them). And hopefully they correct some of the technical errors (i.e. the color timing and sound mixing issues) that occurred from the rush job that was done in bringing the movies to DVD in 2004.



One thing that I will say is that I do feel that Lucas and Lucasfilm should do a better job of letting people know what they are getting, and aknowledging that additional changes have been made, and accurately advertising the product as such.

Back in 2004 when the Trilogy came out on DVD, I remember the commercials didn't really do anything to specify the versions included. The only way to have known about the new changes and that it wasn't the original versions prior to obtaining the DVDs was to read info online... and while a lot of people do that, there are still plenty more "average joes" who don't read up on each release before purchasing. I actually found the commercials to be somewhat misleading because the advertising referred to the set as including "all 3 classic movies". Granted, yes, at their core, they are the same movies, but I think it was kind of a sneaky way for them to lead the general public into thinking they were getting the original versions while still being able to say that they didn't "technically" lie about it (even though they were clearly leading people to think one thing while doing another).

What I found sort of even more disturbing was that the new changes were in no way reflected in the ending credits as far as I can tell. When the movies were redone in 1997, additions were made to the ending credits to aknowledge the additional work that was done, and they were also updated to show the original release years of the respective movies, and the year 1997 for the additions that were done.

For the 2004 release, nothing was added. It was pretty much the same credits from 1997 as far as I can tell (if anything was added, then I missed it). I think Lucas should be required to update that accordingly with each new revision.




And I also found part of the original announcement for the upcoming Blu-Ray release as posted here on Blu-Ray.com to be misleading (in a manner that coincides with Lucas "sneakily" making additional changes and not aknowledging them in the ending credits):

https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=4996

Here is the specific part that I take issue with:




Now, when I first read this, while I knew we would not be getting the original versions, my first thought was that we would still be getting 2 separate versions... the 1997 theatrical versions AND the 2004 versions (granted, I did and still do expect there to be further "improvements" on the "2004" editions, but as I stated previously, I doubt it will be anything as extensive as what has come in past revisions).

And I found this idea to be cool (I even left a comment in the that news announcement to that effect) because even though we still weren't getting the original versions, at least people would have the option of watching the movie with the "old" Aknikin ghost at the end of Jedi, with the original Boba Feet voice, etc, if that is what you happen to prefer.

But then someone pointed out in the comments that they don't think we are getting 2 separate versions, but rather that Lucas was referring to the versions in the theater in 1997 and on DVD in 2004 as if they are one and the same. And I realized that he is probably right about that.

And if so, that really bothers me in the sense that not only is he continuing to make these changes, but he's trying to sort of "sweep it under the rug" by not updating the ending credits accordingly, and by trying to pass it off as part of his original revisions from 1997 (to date the only set of revisions that he really publically aknowledged by calling it the "special edition"), when in reality further alterations have occurred.


While I still stand firmly behind the idea that the original versions should be re-released... even if we want to go with the arguement that they are his movies and he can do with them what he wants and release whatever version he chooses, that's fine (to an extent).

But I do think that he should be REQUIRED to properly inform the public of what the product really is within any announcements for it, any advertising for it, and even on the product, itself. I'm not saying that the movies should come with a point-by-point list of all of the changes made, but there should either be some kind of sticker on the package or some text on the back of the box (and in a noticable place in legible text... not in some kind of small-ass fine print) that specifies something to the effect of "These are not the original versions of the films... they include additional changes/additions/alterations that occurred in 1997, 2004, and 2011". And a similar notation should aknowledge any changes that may occur to the PT films as well.

Let him make his changes and sell the product that he wants to the general public. But INFORM the public properly of just what they are getting. I don't think that is an absurd expectation.

While I'm sure some people will just shrug it off as being no big deal, I do feel the annoucnement as quoted above is running a very fine line as being false advertising. If what Lucas is doing (in the way he advertised the 2004 DVDs as being "all 3 classic movies", and in making it sound like the versions we are getting next year are the same ones from 1997) isn't technically false advertising and isn't technically illegal, then I think it should be, or at least some kind of new scrict law should be put in place requiring that the public is better informed of what is being included in cases like this.

It's one thing for him to make these changes, but he shouldn't be able to just sneak them in under the noses of the public.

Agreed.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by supersonic395

Well, Ep II was the first time they were using the digital camera, so it sort of threw them off when it came to the depth (as the digital camera made it look flatter than normal).

So

-redoing some of the backgrounds firstly (a couple of shots in EpIII too)
-IMO they should redo the cgi for those tall skinny Aliens who made the Clone army (Kimino?)
-The alien Kenobi visits in the cafe should be redone (make the cgi better)
-Yoda, whilst good, should also be redone to match him in EpIII (and EpI since he was done in EpI after EpII).
-Touchup some stuff in the factory sequence to make it gel better

Likewise in EpIII & EpI, try and get all 3 films to the same high quality of EpIII (especially since Avatar's release. And it should be doable too).

Also, when I say redo, I don't mean altering designs, just make the actual cgi better.

OK, I never had a problem with depth in AOTC, and I saw it 5 times in the theater, and countless times on DVD, but maybe on BD I'll have to see what you mean.

The tall aliens on Kamino look great! I don't see anything wrong with them.
Even their silk dresses look fantastic.
The Dexter J. in the cafe is pretty good, but could be improved, of course.
In the factory sequence I have one thing that bugs me, and that'\s some of the sparks look quite phony, other than that I am very happy with the sequence.
I agree with you that they should re-render Yoda as he appeared in ROTS, especially his cloak, and the translucent ears....all together my favorite Yoda.

There are much more thing that could be improved upon in TPM, such as the pod racers on Tatooine, the Gungans could wear real uniforms made from cloth.
Use the flexing muscles under the skin of AOTC for all the creatures seen throughout the film, although it's not all that necessary.
Just some shots here and there, but overall they hold up very well IMO.
Jar Jar, Watto and so on still look very real to me.
Nothing is ever going to be perfect anyway, so ......
For me there is MUCH more stuff that should be improved in the OT to make it look cool, but overall it's OK.

[aiman04]

Are we there yet?

[monkeyjb1988]

Originally Posted by aiman04

Are we there yet?

Still a year away, give or take a few months. Don't worry, there will be awesome Blus to keep us occupied. For me, the upcoming Goseiger movie and Goseiger vs. Shinkenger are getting me excited (if you have no idea what I just said, that's fine ).

[greg_achen]

Are there any Star Wars and Lost fans in this thread? I thought I would share with you a one of a kind piece of art I won at an auction last August at the Star Wars convention. Yes, I am that big of a nerd. It's a Stormtrooper helmet hand painted by one of JJ Abrams concept design artists depicting scenes from Lost. It's also signed by JJ Abrams, Carlton Cuse, Damon Lindelof, Bryan Burk, Matthew Fox, Michael Emerson and Josh Holloway.







The inside is painted to look like Jacob's cave with the candidates written on it, but I don't have any pictures yet. I even have video footage of George Lucas checking out the helmet and commenting on it.

[myaddow]

Not sure if it has been posted, but I was at my local MovieStop and they told me the release date is October 1, 2011.

EDIT Also my pre-order slip says "ULT ED"...which has me going crazy.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by myaddow

Not sure if it has been posted, but I was at my local MovieStop and they told me the release date is October 1, 2011.

EDIT Also my pre-order slip says "ULT ED"...which has me going crazy.

I wouldn't read that much into the release date just yet. If I am not mistaken, Moviestop is the same company as Gamestop, only for DVDs, BDs, etc. While I don't have any Moviestops in my area, I do have Gamestops, and they often have release dates in the computer that they make up for games that are ball-parked to come out around a certain time of year, but have not been given a specific release date yet. Someone somewhere in the company just decides upon a date to put in the computer just so that there is something there, and then the random employees who work at the individual locations read that info in the system.

Additionally, with very few exceptions, new movie releases almost always occur on Tuesdays (and so far with previous DVD releases, Star Wars has been no exception to this), and October 1st falls on a Saturday, so that further indicates to me that it is a B.S. date that they have in their system.

I also wouldn't read to much into the fact that the receipt says "Ult Ed" either. Granted, we already know that this is going to be a pretty loaded release based on the announcements so far, but we'll have to wait and see on more specifics beyond what has been told so far. But if you are going to "go crazy" either way, I suggest doing so based on actual official announcements, and not based on what is printed on a receipt from some random store that is in no position what-so-ever (especially since it's still close to a year before it will come out) to have much more information on this release than what we already know about it.

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by myaddow

Not sure if it has been posted, but I was at my local MovieStop and they told me the release date is October 1, 2011.

EDIT Also my pre-order slip says "ULT ED"...which has me going crazy.

Awesome!

[Kessel Run]

Since Fox also released the Alien Anthology, I wonder if Star Wars will be of similar packaging design. Big heavy box with multiple pages for each movie. I kind of like it that way unless they are going to do individual cases.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by myaddow

Not sure if it has been posted, but I was at my local MovieStop and they told me the release date is October 1, 2011.

EDIT Also my pre-order slip says "ULT ED"...which has me going crazy.

[Show spoiler]What "Dynamo of Eternia" said.