Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Kryptonic]

Originally Posted by svenge

On the contrary, every single addle-minded change that Lucas has inflicted on the OT from 1997 on has contaminated the films and made them lesser works. Hopefully the corroding influence of the SEs and PT will be purged from them now that he's no longer in charge.

I think you need to step away from the keyboard.

Just keep telling yourself...

"They're only movies."

"They're only movies."

"They're only movies."

"They're only movies."

[PrestigeWorldwide]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

Star Wars has and always should be directed mostly at children. That's what it was designed for - to give young people a mythology and universe to get lost in and explore with their imagination. These films will be no different. I really can't stand that some petulant older fans feel like they've "won" something with the move to Disney. It's hilarious how you view the film in such black and white terms. Always good for a laugh.

The OT is appealing to both children and adults. The prequel trilogy - not so much. Disney is good at appealing to both audiences, so people have higher hopes for the new SW movies. Plus there's the absense of George Lucas' horribly written dialog and along with a much better director.

[kidglov3s]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

Both. It's his, not yours. Deal with it. Grow up. The fan community (not just SW fans) needs to stop acting like entitled brats.

[NYorker]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

The Saga boxset sold 515,000 units in its first week of release. The vast majority of those consumers probably won't be buying a downgraded version.

If they were easily suckered into buying a half-baked release, there will be a great demand for a proper release - if it's done properly.

[iamsometal]

Originally Posted by PrestigeWorldwide

The OT is appealing to both children and adults. The prequel trilogy - not so much. Disney is good at appealing to both audiences, so people have higher hopes for the new SW movies. Plus there's the absense of George Lucas' horribly written dialog and along with a much better director.

This.

The biggest issue I have with the prequel trilogy is that the plot is in no way appealing to children, yet the dialogue and supporting characters are. So it neither appeals to adults or kids.

I just hope J.J. and Kasdan were able to craft a script that strikes the balance of adult/kid appeal (and don't go toooooo dark). Star Wars, ESB and ROTJ originally appealed to BOTH.

[Kryptonic]

Originally Posted by PrestigeWorldwide

The OT is appealing to both children and adults. The prequel trilogy - not so much. Disney is good at appealing to both audiences, so people have higher hopes for the new SW movies. Plus there's the absense of George Lucas' horribly written dialog and along with a much better director.

Star Wars is intended for younger audiences, but it's suitable for all ages. It always has been. Nothing changed with the Prequels, which in many ways were even darker and more serious than the OT, which had a rather simplistic view of things to begin with which was a big part of the charm for adults I think. The Prequels are more complex and adult oriented in the end. The Clone Wars series probably did more for children getting into Star Wars than the films.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

Star Wars is intended for younger audiences, but it's suitable for all ages. It always has been. Nothing changed with the Prequels, which in many ways were even darker and more serious than the OT, which had a rather simplistic view of things to begin with which was a big part of the charm for adults I think. The Prequels are more complex in the end and adult oriented in the end. The Clone Wars series probably did more for children getting into Star Wars than the films.

[klauswhereareyou]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

Star Wars is intended for younger audiences, but it's suitable for all ages. It always has been. Nothing changed with the Prequels, which in many ways were even darker and more serious than the OT, which had a rather simplistic view of things to begin with which was a big part of the charm for adults I think. The Prequels are more complex in the end and adult oriented in the end. The Clone Wars series probably did more for children getting into Star Wars than the films.

I will say that one thing the prequels do is not give you a character to root for. They are all either unlikeable, dull, or just plain stupid that unlike the old films, it is hard to lump characters into good, bad, grey areas. They are all equally uncharasmatic and unsympathetic and uncool that you just don't have to care. Motivations make no sense whatsoever, except Lucas wants to move his characters around like puppets in order to achieve the ultimate goal of turning Anakin into Darth Vader, even if the motivations are beyond silly.

[Kryptonic]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSwy4...utu.be&t=7m21s

Yeah, let me tell you seeing two friends fight and one nearly burn to death is really kid friendly. Nothing this violent or intense was in the OT. Lest we forget the various beheadings across the three movies, Anakin killing the Tuskens and Younglings, nearly killing his pregnant wife in a fit of rage, and so on. For some reason, people only remember Jar Jar. These movies are far more complex and dense both visually and thematically than any of you are giving them credit for.

And I'm done. This is a waste of time. Most of you are just too close-minded and dense to even contemplate looking at something from a different point of view.

[klauswhereareyou]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSwy4...utu.be&t=7m21s

Yeah, let me tell you seeing two friends fight and one nearly burn to death is really kid friendly. Nothing this violent or intense was in the OT. Lest we forget the various beheadings across the three movies, Anakin killing the Tuskens and Younglings, nearly killing his pregnant wife in a fit of rage, and so on. For some reason, people only remember Jar Jar. These movies are far more complex and dense both visually and thematically than any of you are giving them credit for.

Problem is that there is no emotional investment, it's like watching a bad 70's kung fu film. Yeah it's violent, but it's hard to take seriously or be distrubed because we don't care about the characters, and these disturbing events are handeled so poorly.

And did he kill or wife..really..or did she die of a broken heart????

[spanky87]

If the new release happens then that means this "ROtJ is a bad film" crap will finally stop and people will be able to see it as the great film it is in it's original form.

[stvn1974]

I wish there would be a scene in the new films where Padme shows up as a ghost and Luke and Leia say "thanks a lot *****".


The biggest problem I have with the prequels is Anakin killing children. He doesn't deserve for Luke to want to save/redeem him. And their mother has a broken heart and decides to leave her newborns. I am just shocked that Luke and Leia didn't grow up to be serial killers.

[welcometothepartypal]

I too refrained from buying the Star Wars blu-rays because I would like the UOT as well. I am not losing sleep over this and I am certainly not an entitled fanboy. I just want to see the same movies I grew up with in their original form, that's all.

We as movie fans have been spoiled with Blu-ray/DVD's because it seems all the other movies we like/love(Blade Runner, Close Encounters, ET.....what else?) give us the option to watch whatever version we want. Maybe if that never became common practice we would not be so annoyed with Lucas.

Also this WHOLE thing started because Lucas claimed he could not do certain things with the tech. available to him 30 years ago. That's perfectly fine. But then he did things like "Han shoots first" or "Luke screaming as he fell to his death" in Empire. Stuff he could of done 30 years ago. Than he takes out that same scream for the blu-rays. Then he adds Vader's NOOOO!

He also did do things he could not 30 years ago, all three movies look gorgeous, the the clean up and added space ships, the colors he added were awesome.

My point is this whole thing started as one thing and snowballed into a whole other beast. Fine change what you want, but don't mislead us by saying your doing something you couldn't do at one point and mix in a ton of stuff you could of.

He was a young struggling artist in the mid 70's. Full of "piss and vinegar", Han shoot's first,yes because he's a god damn space pirate with a bounty on his head. Mos Eisley(sp?) Obi Wan says(paraphrasing) "You will never find a space port more full of scum and villainy". But we'll add cute little robots doing cute little things. I could go on and on. We need to preserve that young artists original version. You wouldn't go back and change posts in your journal/diary, because that's who you were and that was AWESOME!

I don't mind the existence of the special editions, but I believe he handled it wrong with the back and forth changes and that's why people are pissed.

[Bucky]

Originally Posted by welcometothepartypal

We as movie fans have been spoiled with Blu-ray/DVD's because it seems all the other movies we like/love(Blade Runner, Close Encounters, ET.....what else?) give us the option to watch whatever version we want. Maybe if that never became common practice we would not be so annoyed with Lucas.

You left out the Alien films as well as Star Trek:TOS.

I would like for this rumor to be true, and it does make sense for everybody to make it happen, but I still am unable to believe it until I actually see it.

[PrestigeWorldwide]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

Star Wars is intended for younger audiences, but it's suitable for all ages. It always has been. Nothing changed with the Prequels, which in many ways were even darker and more serious than the OT, which had a rather simplistic view of things to begin with which was a big part of the charm for adults I think. The Prequels are more complex and adult oriented in the end. The Clone Wars series probably did more for children getting into Star Wars than the films.

George Lucas himself said the prequels were geared more towards children (or at least that was his intent in the beginning). That's why he had childish slapstick idiotic humor like Jar Jar. I think he was just giving us an excuse for the poor writing though.

[PrestigeWorldwide]

Originally Posted by Bucky

I would like for this rumor to be true, and it does make sense for everybody to make it happen, but I still am unable to believe it until I actually see it.

Yeah, I'm at the point where I won't believe it until I see an official announcement from Disney. It makes financial sense to do it, but I have my doubts. Just thankful that even if this rumor turns out to be false, at least I can always watch Harmy's despecialized editions.

[DMRI2006]

Originally Posted by PrestigeWorldwide

George Lucas himself said the prequels were geared more towards children (or at least that was his intent in the beginning). That's why he had childish slapstick idiotic humor like Jar Jar. I think he was just giving us an excuse for the poor writing though.

I'm pretty sure he was only referring to Phantom Menace. The rest of the prequels are a much darker and heavier story than the Original Trilogy and he acknowledged as much.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by spanky87

If the new release happens then that means this "ROtJ is a bad film" crap will finally stop and people will be able to see it as the great film it is in it's original form.

Funny you should say that, last night I was thinking that with Ep VII we might get the first decent Star Wars film since 1980...

[iamsometal]

Originally Posted by spanky87

If the new release happens then that means this "ROtJ is a bad film" crap will finally stop and people will be able to see it as the great film it is in it's original form.

Exactly! Thank you.

When my kids and I want to watch ROTJ, and we choose the blu-ray, man, I can see why people would say it's worse than ROTS. Lucas's changes literally make my eyes roll and I cringe. Jedi Rocks, the beak on the Sarlacc, the needless dialogue changes (especially Vader's "Nooooo"), the added celebration scenes at the end, and worst of all, Hayden C. added as a force ghost, all just completely degrade the quality of the film.

But when we watch it despecialized, it absolutely holds up. Easily better than ROTS in every conceivable way.

[Ernest Rister]

I read the article at Bleeding Cool.com....

I don't believe a word of the BleedingCool article...yeah, it's plausible the original trilogy films will come to market in their debut forms, but I don't believe BleedingCool "intercepted" an internal email from Disney Marketing, nor do I believe the other rumor the article reports...Disney placing the prequel films under the "legends" banner, suggesting they won't be considered canon or even raising the possibility of remaking them. Flawed as they are, the idea of rebooting the Prequels sounds like fan-wank.

Personally, I think BleedingCool got punked by a Star Wars fan.