Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[welcometothepartypal]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

That's pretty funny.

[filmmusic]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Oh believe me...they'll still complain. Something will be "off" - a few frames missing or added, an optical that's slightly different, something different in the sound mix (since it would have to remixed into 5.1/7.1 anyway), a few differences in dialog, etc., since even for the original release, the 70mm, 35mm Dolby Optical and the 35mm mono were all slightly different. Or they'll claim that there's more grain or less grain or that it's more sharp or less sharp or the color balance is different than they remember, etc.

That's why ABSOLUTELY NO ALTERATION WHATSOEVER should be made, so that noone complains!
(and all mixes should be included)

If a bluray like Thunderbirds are go (that I just got in my hands), can afford to have 2 different mixes, surely the most famous films in history can afford 2-3 mixes in their Blu-ray release!

[oldgame]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Oh believe me...they'll still complain. Something will be "off" - a few frames missing or added, an optical that's slightly different, something different in the sound mix (since it would have to remixed into 5.1/7.1 anyway), a few differences in dialog, etc., since even for the original release, the 70mm, 35mm Dolby Optical and the 35mm mono were all slightly different. Or they'll claim that there's more grain or less grain or that it's more sharp or less sharp or the color balance is different than they remember, etc.

Agreed. Every single movie released on blu-ray someone complains. It amazes me.

[filmmusic]

Originally Posted by oldgame

Agreed. Every single movie released on blu-ray someone complains. It amazes me.

Hmmm... I'm not so sure about that.
Has anyone complained about E.T. on Bluray? or Jaws?

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by filmmusic

Hmmm... I'm not so sure about that.
Has anyone complained about E.T. on Bluray? or Jaws?

Yes, a number of people thought Jaws had too much DNR.

There were also a lot of complaints about E.T. not having the SE version.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by spanky87

If the new release happens then that means this "ROtJ is a bad film" crap will finally stop and people will be able to see it as the great film it is in it's original form.

Yeah, about that...

Jedi pretty much sucked thirty years ago, it pretty much sucked after each and every round of changes and it will suck if/when restored to its original form.

Sorry

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Yes, a number of people thought Jaws had too much DNR.

There were also a lot of complaints about E.T. not having the SE version.

DNR in general will always be a controversial issue. That doesn't mean that the fans of a particular franchise are constant complainers, it just means that videophiles are not happy with the kind of tinkering that studios often do.

And in the case of E.T. I can see the argument. While I prefer the original version, and am glad that is the one that we got if only one version is going to be released, some people might prefer the SE version. I didn't see much of a reason to not include both.

[thebard]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

Both. It's his, not yours. Deal with it. Grow up. The fan community (not just SW fans) needs to stop acting like entitled brats.

You know, this kind of comment is just unnecessary, and it tells me that you've run out of points to support your case.

Rickah (and others) and myself disagree on this topic, yet we are able to remain respectful and address each other's points in a civil manner, even "thank" each other's posts. I'm done acknowledging your comments until you take a more suitable tone.

[jlk5844]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

This is 100% wrong in every regard. It's the artists movie or book or painting because...they created it. When you buy a print of a Picasso, it's just a print. You don't own the painting. Of course you can go over it with Crayons and proclaim it to be an improvement, but even that still doesn't make it yours.

How? When you buy a Blu-ray, you own a copy of the film. It may not be the OCN or some other print, but you still own the art. I'm not saying it's that person's creation just because they own it, what I am saying is with something as commercial as film, which is a business, often before creative medium, once you put the film out there, people have seen it and it exists in the popular culture. People are free to have opinions of it, own copies of it, make fan edits and mash ups, do whatever. These people pay money to see the artist's work, and are the reason George was able to make the sequels and become a billionaire and produce more "art." With painting, you are free to paint as much as you want because it is a very inexpensive hobby or passion compared to the film industry, where your movie has to make money to allow you to continue to make movies of such scale. George is spitting in the faces of fans who helped him to see his vision come to life. Once a film is put out into the world, it becomes something more than your personal creation, it gets dissected and influences people, it's a part of the world, and it should be preserved.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

DNR in general will always be a controversial issue. That doesn't mean that the fans of a particular franchise are constant complainers, it just means that videophiles are not happy with the kind of tinkering that studios often do.

And in the case of E.T. I can see the argument. While I prefer the original version, and am glad that is the one that we got if only one version is going to be released, some people might prefer the SE version. I didn't see much of a reason to not include both.

I think we agree. I should have been more clear, but I don't think fans of a franchise are necessarily complainers - it's just that there will always be some complaints no matter what is released. I think if the originals get restored properly (and I think they would) with original audio tracks the vast majority of Star Wars fans would be thrilled.

[klauswhereareyou]

Is it just me or is it when they go back to the original negative nowadays to do a scan for older films, sometimes much of the grain is reduced, such as with the Jaws disc (and the Arrow disc of The Fury..and the Twilight Time disc of The Blue Max)? Is this lack of grain an effect of doing a scan of the original negative, and is this what people are saying is DNR???

[stvn1974]

A film whether it is seen in a theater or watched on a DVD/BD that you bought is a product. You are the consumer and If you don't like what you are given then you have a right to complain about it. Complaining about the changes to Star Wars is no different than someone who buys a new Lexus every year complaining that they radically changed the design or the features that come with the car in the new model. Star Wars is a product. Even in Disney's meetings with shareholder's it is called a property and not films.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by klauswhereareyou

Is it just me or is it when they go back to the original negative nowadays to do a scan for older films, sometimes much of the grain is reduced, such as with the Jaws disc (and the Arrow disc of The Fury..and the Twilight Time disc of The Blue Max)? Is this lack of grain an effect of doind a scan of the origianl negative, and is this what people are saying is DNR???

It largely depends. Sometimes going back to the original negative means less grain merely because you're not seeing a transfer from a multi-generational print which always increases grain. Grain management is often employed on releases to give grain patterns more balance and consistency. Then you have systems like Lowry that do all sorts of grain processing (including removing it then adding it back in, etc.). When noise reduction is taken too far, it is relatively easy to notice. I haven't watched jaws on my FP set-up, but on my flat panel it seemed they might have used just a tiny bit too much in some scenes for my taste, but detail still stayed intact and it is an exacellent transfer, overall.

[HGN2001]

I think what we really need is a nice teal palette for the STAR WARS films like they did with BLADE RUNNER.

Harry

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by HGN2001

I think what we really need is a nice teal palette for the STAR WARS films like they did with BLADE RUNNER.

Harry

The Final Cut even in VC-1 form still holds up as a great looking disc.

[iamsometal]

Originally Posted by HGN2001

I think what we really need is a nice teal palette for the STAR WARS films like they did with BLADE RUNNER.

Harry

I was totally cool with the new color timing on Blade Runner, Alien, Aliens, and even to a slightly lesser degree Raiders of the Lost Ark and Fellowship of the Ring. I'd take some modernized color timing if I could get the SE crap excised from the OT and have a remastered version with more detail, higher contrast and less heavy crush any day.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

A film whether it is seen in a theater or watched on a DVD/BD that you bought is a product. You are the consumer and If you don't like what you are given then you have a right to complain about it. Complaining about the changes to Star Wars is no different than someone who buys a new Lexus every year complaining that they radically changed the design or the features that come with the car in the new model. Star Wars is a product. Even in Disney's meetings with shareholder's it is called a property and not films.

Yeah, but you don't have people continually bombarding message boards complaining about a Lexus redesign or petitions for "restoring" Lexus to the original designs and calling people who like the new design stupid (or otherwise declaring their opinions inferior to their own). I hate that they degraded the PS4's media capability. But you know what? I don't think I've posted on it more than a few times total. I don't have signatures declaring Sony ruined the brand. I just haven't bought one yet.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

I hate that they degraded the PS4's media capability. But you know what? I don't think I've posted on it more than a few times total. I don't have signatures declaring Sony ruined the brand. I just haven't bought one yet.

What kind of cookies do you like?

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by octagon

What kind of cookies do you like?

I believe he likes [poop] flavored ones.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

A film whether it is seen in a theater or watched on a DVD/BD that you bought is a product. You are the consumer and If you don't like what you are given then you have a right to complain about it. Complaining about the changes to Star Wars is no different than someone who buys a new Lexus every year complaining that they radically changed the design or the features that come with the car in the new model. Star Wars is a product. Even in Disney's meetings with shareholder's it is called a property and not films.

There's voicing an opinion about something you don't like, then there's what crazed Star Wars fans have been doing for over a decade...some of which borders on total lunacy.
The man released what he wanted to release, either accept it, or don't...either way just move on. My goodness, some of these "fans" are downright scary with their *ahem* sense of ideals.