Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by bladerunner1

Punk walked up to Han with a gun on him, talking chit, threatening Han. It was self defense the end.

Yep, I always interpreted that scene as a kid that Greedo was going to kill Han and it was obvious self-defense killing Greedo. Out of all of the Lucas changes, this would probably the worst in the SE.

[Thomas Guycott]

Originally Posted by svenge

Of course the SEs ruined that scenario on another level (on top of having Greedo shooting first) as Han now ends up having to see Jabba in the next scene anyhow...

And the whole reason the Greedo scene exists in the first place was to act as coverage in case the Jabba scene had to be cut, which it did, due to budget and technical limitations.

But now since both scenes are in the film together, they make each other redundant; Han even says the same line twice ("Even I get boarded sometimes...").

[thebard]

Originally Posted by svenge

Of course the SEs ruined that scenario on another level (on top of having Greedo shooting first) as Han now ends up having to see Jabba in the next scene anyhow...

...While at the same time ruining the reveal of the Millennium Falcon for the audience and deflating Luke's reaction to it ("What a piece of junk!").

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by JayFank

ah, prequels are garbage. didn't exist to me.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

If he wasn't redeemed/saved and only atones for his crimes then that makes even less sense for him to be young. Actually he shouldn't even be there at all.

Luke even says "But I've got save you" and Anakin/Vader says "you already have Luke, you already have. Tell your sister you were right about me."

I don't see it as Anakin being "young" in the afterlife, he's his "true self", as Luke says in the film -- "It is the name of your true self -- you've only forgotten."

[Ferris]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Yep, I always interpreted that scene as a kid that Greedo was going to kill Han and it was obvious self-defense killing Greedo. Out of all of the Lucas changes, this would probably the worst in the SE.

I agree. But I'd also add the Jabba on Tattooine scene too... ESPECIALLY Han stepping on his damn tail. That always irked me.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by thebard

He fired at Vader in Empire, and Vader was unarmed!

I ****ing LOVE that bit. As soon as Han gets a mere glimpse of Vader, he's drawn and fired a couple of times, what a badass.

[Beachguy]

I was hoping Darth Vader would win in these movies. I was hoping he'd crush that pultry little nerd Luke and use Princess Leia as a transport to the 1970's NYC to supply him with smokes.

Vader for the win in 2016!

[kemcha]

I just heard that Empire magazine has just voted Empire Strikes Back as the best movie of all time:

http://www.slashfilm.com/empire-stri...e-of-all-time/

This is awesome news.

[Astro Zombie]

Originally Posted by kemcha

I just heard that Empire magazine has just voted Empire Strikes Back as the best movie of all time:

http://www.slashfilm.com/empire-stri...e-of-all-time/

This is awesome news.

I thought it was obvious, since the magazine is named after the film.

[Show spoiler]

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by Hypnosifl

Greedo kind of waffled on whether he was planning to take Han dead or alive:

Han Solo: Even I get boarded sometimes. Do you think I had a choice?
Greedo: You can tell that to Jabba. At best, he may only take your ship.
Han Solo: Over my dead body!
Greedo: That's the idea... I've been looking forward to this for a long time.

If Greedo was just planning to kill Han and bring the body to Jabba, I don't see how even Lucas can say it was wrong for Han to shoot him before he got the chance.

Good point: the dialog is nonsense. Greedo first says he's taking him to Jabba, but then implies he's going to kill Han. So which is it? What would have made more sense is if Greedo had said, "That's actually my preference...the hell with Jabba". But even aside from that, once Greedo says, "I've been looking forward to this..." that shows intention to kill and therefore Han shooting first was self-defense. Your honor, I rest my case.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by Beachguy

I was hoping Darth Vader would win in these movies. I was hoping he'd crush that pultry little nerd Luke and use Princess Leia as a transport to the 1970's NYC to supply him with smokes.

Vader for the win in 2016!

If you've ever read any of Gregory Macquire's books ("Wicked", etc.), he usually retells the story from the villain's point of view.

Imagine a Star Wars movie that tells Vader's story from his point of view. He can show how the Jedi ruined his childhood by taking him away from his mother to live with a bunch of old men, how the Jedi were insane religious zealots, how virtually every decision made by Yoda was wrong, how the galaxy was in chaos, how the Sith were going to bring stability, how the Jedi destroyed his marriage, how the Jedi took the term "Dark Side" and turned it into a racist term that meant something bad instead of its original meaning of "helping people who saw no light", etc.

That would be great fun.

[thebard]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Good point: the dialog is nonsense. Greedo first says he's taking him to Jabba, but then implies he's going to kill Han. So which is it? What would have made more sense is if Greedo had said, "That's actually my preference...the hell with Jabba". But even aside from that, once Greedo says, "I've been looking forward to this..." that shows intention to kill and therefore Han shooting first was self-defense. Your honor, I rest my case.

I kinda figured Greedo meant that he was gonna take Han to Jabba... who would then kill him. I could see Greedo looking forward to that.

[Lord Method Man]

Originally Posted by Thomas Guycott

But now since both scenes are in the film together, they make each other redundant; Han even says the same line twice ("Even I get boarded sometimes...").

Same exact scene with different characters. A first year film student wouldn't do so something so stupid.

The Jabba scene is one of the worst, most pointless scenes in any movie.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by thebard

I kinda figured Greedo meant that he was gonna take Han to Jabba... who would then kill him. I could see Greedo looking forward to that.

That's exactly what I thought. Greedo's happy because he's going to deliver Solo to Jabba, who'll hopefully kill Solo in a very inventive and painful way. Han's obviously been a PITA for quite a while, and the dropped shipment is the last straw.

This is all undone by his almost matey discourse with Jabba later on of course, and even though that scene was tarted up for the SE it was still part of the original shoot, so that problem always existed in the script. Lucas '77 had the sense to cut it out, Lucas '97 brought it back to add to the mythology or whatever. "Look!! Now you can see why Jabba's mad at Han!!"

That reminds me, it's startling how much quicker the pacing of the original version of Star Wars is. It's not just the added scenes that do for the SE, it's all of those new camera moves and digital embellishments added to previously static shots too.They all mount up and rob the movie of its momentum.

[Gold Ranger]

I always thought Greedo was just jealous of Han's position and could never be Jabba's favourite while Han was around.
So he was going to kill him no matter what.
To me, Han shooting or Han shooting First never altered my way of seeing Han as anything but shooting in Self Defense.

[brian9229]

Are both trilogys that were first released out of print? They are going for quite a price on Amazon. I know they released the trilogys again with DVD's and new art, but curious why the OT is going for $100 and the PT a little less.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by brian9229

Are both trilogys that were first released out of print? They are going for quite a price on Amazon. I know they released the trilogys again with DVD's and new art, but curious why the OT is going for $100 and the PT a little less.

Yeah, I think those original sets without the DVDs are slowly being phased out.

[brian9229]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Yeah, I think those original sets without the DVDs are slowly being phased out.

Yeah thats what i was wondering.

[Bluyoda]

Just finished watching the original trilogy. Have those boxes around the numerous spaceships and things in space always been visible?
Some of the puppets look so cheesy, especially in ROTJ.
The space battle in ROTJ is still the best ever, and I have noticed things I had never noticed before.