Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by svenge

Nice trick trying to grab the high ground by saying that everyone who dislikes the PT and Lucas' 7-year repeating cycle of further desecrating the OT ('97, '04, '11) have no lives.

On the contrary, people who keep living in denial claiming that Lucas can do no wrong (despite the damning mountain evidence from 1997 onwards) have yet to move on and accept the fact that he's become a hack, and worse yet a revisionist.

You're a prime example. Keep making the same complaints over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over....

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

You're a prime example. Keep making the same complaints over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over....

[toddly6666]

Has Lucas ever referred to his tampered OT versions as "director's cuts"? If he thinks his changes were so vital that he had to forget the early theatrical versions, why doesn't he ever or fans use the term "director's cut"? Or does he think that the changes were so minor that they dont need to be referred as "director's cut"?

[HGN2001]

Originally Posted by toddly6666

Has Lucas ever referred to his tampered OT versions as "director's cuts"? If he thinks his changes were so vital that he had to forget the early theatrical versions, why doesn't he ever or fans use the term "director's cut"? Or does he think that the changes were so minor that they dont need to be referred as "director's cut"?

Probably because he didin't originally direct Eps 5 and 6.

[svenge]

Originally Posted by toddly6666

Has Lucas ever referred to his tampered OT versions as "director's cuts"? If he thinks his changes were so vital that he had to forget the early theatrical versions, why doesn't he ever or fans use the term "director's cut"? Or does he think that the changes were so minor that they dont need to be referred as "director's cut"?

Because Lucas (the arch-revisionist that he is) wants to make the public think that the current version of the films are the only versions. That's why the term "Special Edition" was only used on the 1997 releases, and even the 2000 home video re-releases (which were identical in content to their 1997 counterparts) were only marketed as the "Star Wars Trilogy" without "Special Edition" after it.

1997 vs 2000 VHS covers:

[Show spoiler] vs

Basically it's like 1984, where Lucas is a one-man "Ministry of Truth" trying to send the original version of the films down the "memory hole".

[Bluyoda]

Oh, I see a NEW discussion is going on here.

This may surprise some, but I think that it would have been best for everyone, if he had put in more effort to "really" make them they way he wanted them to be. By that, I mean don't just use some test footage of Hayden Christensen for the end of ROTJ, but shoot a scene with him, where he reflects the spiritual level of that character in that particular situation.
Also, the new dialogue scene with the emperor should have matched the make up of ROTJ, and not the one of ROTS, since it's much later in the timeline.
The song in the middle of ROTJ is also a bit of jarring, since the music should have been composed by John Williams, not by some guy who doesn't appear to have much talent or at least feel for SW. The characters are cool, but the animation is too broad and in your face.
The bigger entrance in Jedi doesn't bother me, although it should have been consistent all the way, the same goes for R2 behind the rocks in ANH.
Some effects in Mos Eisly are a bit goofy, but it's not a tragedy.
He should probably have done without the Jabba scene, although in a way, I understand it is better with it for TPM and ROTJ, but maybe, he could have rewritten the dialogue for Harrison, digitally alter his mouth movement and change the scene altogether.

Ideally, it would be best if he had made all the versions available, but they are/were his babies, and I absolutely respect his vision.
I am an artist myself, and I wouldn't want ANYBODY forcing me to do it their way either, as that is selling yourself, and that's the worst.

Life goes on, however, and the original untouched trilogy is probably best viewed on VHS anyways, since the optical visual effects would be painfully obvious otherwise, and people would complain that that's NOT how they remember seeing them in the theater 60 thousand years ago.

[Elvis]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Oh, I see a NEW discussion is going on here.

This may surprise some, but I think that it would have been best for everyone, if he had put in more effort to "really" make them they way he wanted them to be. By that, I mean don't just use some test footage of Hayden Christensen for the end of ROTJ, but shoot a scene with him, where he reflects the spiritual level of that character in that particular situation.
Also, the new dialogue scene with the emperor should have matched the make up of ROTJ, and not the one of ROTS, since it's much later in the timeline.
The song in the middle of ROTJ is also a bit of jarring, since the music should have been composed by John Williams, not by some guy who doesn't appear to have much talent or at least feel for SW. The characters are cool, but the animation is too broad and in your face.
The bigger entrance in Jedi doesn't bother me, although it should have been consistent all the way, the same goes for R2 behind the rocks in ANH.
Some effects in Mos Eisly are a bit goofy, but it's not a tragedy.
He should probably have done without the Jabba scene, although in a way, I understand it is better with it for TPM and ROTJ, but maybe, he could have rewritten the dialogue for Harrison, digitally alter his mouth movement and change the scene altogether.

Ideally, it would be best if he had made all the versions available, but they are/were his babies, and I absolutely respect his vision.
I am an artist myself, and I wouldn't want ANYBODY forcing me to do it their way either, as that is selling yourself, and that's the worst.

Life goes on, however, and the original untouched trilogy is probably best viewed on VHS anyways, since the optical visual effects would be painfully obvious otherwise, and people would complain that that's NOT how they remember seeing them in the theater 60 thousand years ago.

No offense but that makes no sense at all.....did it look like VHS on the bigh screen in 1977, 80 and 83? Get real....this is just more of the same from a certain section. Yes he is the artist and yes they WERE his babies. But all his peers have also said that he should have released the Originals in the best possible way for preservation and for film history. Nobody here is arguing that he did not have the right to keep changing his films. Steven Spielberg also followed that path for a short time and came to the realization that "HE WAS WRONG"....George has yet to come to that realization. But no matter because other events are currently unfolding in the world as we speak that are taking the power right out from under the studio's and George hands. They could have made some real money on this but chose not to.

[al cos.]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Oh, I see a NEW discussion is going on here.

Life goes on, however, and the original untouched trilogy is probably best viewed on VHS anyways, since the optical visual effects would be painfully obvious otherwise, and people would complain that that's NOT how they remember seeing them in the theater 60 thousand years ago.

Wow what a genius. You should make that brilliant point in every thread about every blu-ray of a movie made before 1993.

[Bluyoda]

Well, why agree with you to some extent, the SW movies have a lot of VFX, so it would be all the more noticeable. Just saying.

I wish you could all have your UOT, but destroying everything SW, because you don't is "slightly" extreme and annoying. Just my 2 cents.
I guess it's the internet mentality though, but IMHO it doesn't help anyone.

[Thomas Guycott]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

I wish you could all have your UOT, but destroying everything SW, because you don't is "slightly" extreme and annoying.

And who's doing this? People being passionate about the UOT means they hate Star Wars? I'm not seeing it.

I love Star Wars and while it's something I have a long-term emotional investment in, there are numerous aspects of the franchise I've had issues with since 97/99/02. In other words there are parts of the franchise I don't like... but I still love Star Wars.

[stvn1974]

I loved the original films that I saw in the theater as a kid, I even love Return Of The Jedi as much as the other two. As a kid I waited for what seemed like forever for the Ewok specials to air on TV and then watched the Droids cartoon when it came on. Had all of the toys, magazines and trading cards. I loved that Star Wars and the films that all of that stuff was based off is what I want. I don't see why there can't be two Star Wars. All of the things released before 1997 and the stuff afterwards. Just give us what we (I) want and we will shut up forever.

[supersonic395]

Any word on a restored release of the theatricals from Disney yet?

[svenge]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

I wish you could all have your UOT, but destroying everything SW, because you don't is "slightly" extreme and annoying.

The only one who has "destroyed Star Wars" is George Lucas, or at least whoever has been masquerading as him since 1983.

To be honest, I'm not entirely sure how someone could possibly have such a precipitous decline in talent and abilities exhibited to the public eye over time (other than M. Night Shyamalan). And even Shyamalan didn't ruin his couple of early "good" movies (Sixth Sense, Unbreakable) with the same mistaken sensibilities that led to his later failures...

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

Pot kettle, etc

You're going to have to do better than that.

Originally Posted by svenge

The only one who has "destroyed Star Wars" is George Lucas, or at least whoever has been masquerading as him since 1983.

To be honest, I'm not entirely sure how someone could possibly have such a precipitous decline in talent and abilities exhibited to the public eye over time (other than M. Night Shyamalan). And even Shyamalan didn't ruin his couple of early "good" movies (Sixth Sense, Unbreakable) with the same mistaken sensibilities that led to his later failures...

Keeps on proving me right.

[kamphausd1]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

You're a prime example. Keep making the same complaints over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over....

Seek help man. Seriously.

[djchaseb]

Originally Posted by supersonic395

Any word on a restored release of the theatricals from Disney yet?

Hopefully soon, my current set will make beautiful coasters

[supersonic395]

Originally Posted by djchaseb

Hopefully soon, my current set will make beautiful coasters

Cool. My last set is the 04 dvds (I didn't upgrade to the current blu rays)

[stvn1974]

If/when the UOT is released I wonder how many stores will stop buying the current sets back because so many people are trying to unload them?

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by kamphausd1

Seek help man. Seriously.

Says the guy with multiple negative posts in this and the Episode VII thread (I lost count).


Methinks you doth protest too much.

[kamphausd1]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Says the guy with multiple negative posts in this and the Episode VII thread (I lost count).


Methinks you doth protest too much.

Thanks for proving my point. I don't even post in this thread that much. And the episode VII thread? I don't even think I've ever posted there.