Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[bongozoid]

Originally Posted by rickah88

He most certainly was, and is, and will always be The Artist. That's not even open for debate.

Every time you call him The Artist it makes me think of Prince...

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by octagon

Owner? Haven't you heard the news?



You try to ignore it?

You brought it up.

Again.

I have heard the news. He was owner at one point in time.
Actually you brought up 'chew toys'. I contend that Entitled fan w/bashing siggie demonstrates more "chew toyness" than content fan.
If you believe otherwise, have at it....as I really don't think there's an end in sight here.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by bongozoid

Every time you call him The Artist it makes me think of Prince...

Well, oddly enough, he's an artist too. Just a different form of art.

[Spidey Blu]

I just want Fox/Disney to release the UOT so these pointless arguements can finally end. They're very tiresome.

[svenge]

Originally Posted by rickah88

I agree 100%. BUT, I believe that rule falls just under another rule: and that the Artist can do whatever they want with their art.

The "George Lucas" of the past 20 years bears absolutely no resemblance to the George Lucas that created the Original Trilogy in its original, uncontaminated form. Only in the narrowest legal sense are the two persons the same.

To wit:

Originally Posted by George Lucas interview from "From Star Wars to Jedi" documentary, circa 1983

"Special effects are just a tool, a means of telling a story. People have a tendency to confuse them as an end to themselves. A special effect without a story is a pretty boring thing."

Originally Posted by George Lucas, 1997 RotJ SE (Jedi Rocks)

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Originally Posted by George Lucas, 1999-2005

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Originally Posted by George Lucas, 2011 RotJ BD

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The only other person who has had their cinematic skills decay so drastically would be M. Night Shamalayan, but at least he didn't retroactively ruin The Sixth Sense with his later "ideas" like Ol' Flannelbeard McGreenscreen.

[oldgame]

Originally Posted by B72

Can't decide if Jedi Rocks is the worst change , Hayden replacing Shaw
or Jabba in ANH
( Jabba's reveal in ROTJ was great back in 1983 )

Nevertheless these 3 are the Most offensive to me

I would love the Gout to be released on Blu-ray
but
knowing me , like I do, I would buy any version of Star Wars restored in 4K

Jedi rocks is the worst change. It doesn't fit in and the song sucks. I don't mind Jabba in Star Wars, I don't see what the big deal is.

[Riddler95]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It's not as cut and dried as that. Dennis Muren, one of the first ILM alums who worked on the original movie, was also behind many of the SE changes to Star Wars' Death Star assault. There were certain shots that had bugged him for years, and when he got the chance to revise them he grabbed it with both hands. He mightn't have envisaged the original versions going out of print for 20 years (half-assed non-anamorphic DVD aside), but he certainly wasn't shy about changing them.

A few years ago I read an article about Dennis Muren talking about the creation of the Special Edition Versions and his opinion on George Lucas not restoring the Theatrical Cuts.

He said he was initially comfortable with the Special Edition changes because he thought that the Theatrical Cuts would coexist with Special Editions. He didn't think that George Lucas would try to make the Special Editions the only versions out there. He even said that George Lucas has not done a good job persevering the Theatrical Cuts.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by wormraper

and those losses are just as tragic when you lose theatrical cuts... doesn't matter the film, the theatrical release should ALWAYS be preserved.

I don't see the teeth gnashing over films like Amadeus, The Last of the Mohicans, Hellboy, Troy, The Patriot, Heat, Zodiac, and numerous other films (especially comedies like Dodgeball, Harold & Kumar 1 & 2, Superbad, Tropic Thunder, etc.) only available on Blu-ray in editions altered from their theatrical release. Granted none have the success and following of STAR WARS but Amadeus on disc is *not* the film that won Best Picture in March of 1985. But no, Lucas is the devil and he's the only one who does this.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by svenge

The "George Lucas" of the past 20 years bears absolutely no resemblance to the George Lucas that created the Original Trilogy in its original, uncontaminated form. Only in the narrowest legal sense are the two persons the same.



But then...


And to top it off...


The only other person who has had their cinematic skills decay so drastically in recent times would be M. Night Shyamalan, but at least he didn't retroactively ruin The Sixth Sense with his later "ideas" like Ol' Flannelbeard McGreenscreen did with Star Wars.

Not in my opinion.

[al cos.]

No you're just not popping into those threads to play hall monitor, Peter.

[svenge]

Originally Posted by al cos.

No you're just not popping into those threads to play hall monitor, Peter.

I could've sworn he was laid off of Lucasfilm's social-media astroturfing squad (a la China's "50 Cent Army") after the Disney acquisition... I guess old habits die hard.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by svenge

I could've sworn he was laid off of Lucasfilm's astroturfing social-media squad after the Disney acquisition...

And the lame personal attacks continue.


Same garbage, different day.

[Elvis]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

I don't see the teeth gnashing over films like Amadeus, The Last of the Mohicans, Hellboy, Troy, The Patriot, Heat, Zodiac, and numerous other films (especially comedies like Dodgeball, Harold & Kumar 1 & 2, Superbad, Tropic Thunder, etc.) only available on Blu-ray in editions altered from their theatrical release. Granted none have the success and following of STAR WARS but Amadeus on disc is *not* the film that won Best Picture in March of 1985. But no, Lucas is the devil and he's the only one who does this.

Not a very fair comparison. One Amadeus and the rest of the mentioned films have no where near the significance as the original three Star Wars films in cinematic history and two I am sure we will see the theatrical version of Amadeus and the others long before we see the UOT released in 1080. Please you are just grasping at straws now with that comparison. There are a handful here (on this board since 2008) that agree with what Lucas did (a mere handful). Mr. Lucas own peers and legendary film critics have all weighed in on the subject and not one of them sided with Mr. Lucas on the end result. All said they were his films and he could make whatever changes he wanted to, however all said that he should also release the films as they were presented to an entire generation. Case Closed....

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Elvis

Not a very fair comparison. One Amadeus and the rest of the mentioned films has no where near the significance as the original three Star Wars films and two I am sure we will see the theatrical version of Amadeus long before we the UOT. Please you are just grasping at straws now with that comparison.

Star Wars didn't win Best Picture. Amadeus is arguably more "artistic" as well. But apparently Milos Forman prefers that cut so we're stuck with it. I have a flipper DVD of the original cut and doubt it will be supplanted anytime soon. It's a fair comparison to anyone schooled in film.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Star Wars didn't win Best Picture. Amadeus is arguably more "artistic" as well. But apparently Milos Forman prefers that cut so we're stuck with it. I have a flipper DVD of the original cut and doubt it will be supplanted anytime soon. It's a fair comparison to anyone schooled in film.

[Elvis]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Star Wars didn't win Best Picture. Amadeus is arguably more "artistic" as well. But apparently Milos Forman prefers that cut so we're stuck with it. I have a flipper DVD of the original cut and doubt it will be supplanted anytime soon. It's a fair comparison to anyone schooled in film.

and... so did Annie Hall. You think Annie Hall means to cinematic history what Star Wars does? No offense, but this is not about "Best Picture" this is about "historical importance" "films that change the cinematic landscape" and I can name about 5 to 10 films that fall into that category. I would easily put Star Wars in the top 5 most important films of all time. (hence I didn't say "best" films) Just wanted to make my position clear so everyone is not on here giving a list of better films.

Kinda like myself and the Beatles when it comes to Rock n Roll....there is us and then the platforms fall below.

[svenge]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Same garbage, different day.

At least I'm not the one advocating for the continuing obliteration of an important part of film history.

[bongozoid]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Star Wars didn't win Best Picture. Amadeus is arguably more "artistic" as well. But apparently Milos Forman prefers that cut so we're stuck with it. I have a flipper DVD of the original cut and doubt it will be supplanted anytime soon. It's a fair comparison to anyone schooled in film.

Oh so you have an official DVD of the original version in watchable quality?
So... where is the comparison?

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by svenge

At least I'm not the one advocating for the continuing obliteration of an important part of film history.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Elvis

and... so did Annie Hall. You think Annie Hall means to cinematic history what Star Wars does? No offense, but this is not about "Best Picture" this is about "historical importance" and I can name about 5 to 10 films that fall into that category. I would easily put Star Wars in the top 5 most important films of all time. (hence I didn't say "best" films) Just wanted to make my position clear so everyone is not on here giving a list of better films.

To some people Annie Hall means a lot more to them than Star Wars. You don't agree but that is your personal opinion. I saw Annie Hall, I'm not a fan. But I understand why it won Best Picture. I understand why Chariots of Fire beat Raiders of the Lost Ark. But you and others are MISSING THE POINT: which is MANY films on Blu-ray exist only in altered editions. But you really really like Star Wars so it bothers *you* more than those other films that were altered.