Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[bongozoid]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Also, in defense Ted Turner: at the time he colorized films, the idiot marketplace at the time in large part did not accept b&w films. Therefore, the colorization made those films financially viable, which in turn, paid for the preservation of the original films and eventually, the restoration of many of them. Turner did not destroy the originals - it's not like he destroyed the b&w negatives or prints after creating the colorized versions (unlike Lucas, who claims that the original versions of the OT no longer exist, even though not everyone believes that).

And as the marketplace got more sophisticated, it rejected the colorized versions (although a few still pop up on TV every once in a while). So today we have a tremendous library of classic WB, RKO and MGM films that look better than they have at any time since their original release, and most of that is thanks to Turner. Remember, it was Turner who bought and sold MGM several times, but was smart enough to keep the library.

Not to mention that after people like George Lucas made a huge fuss, Ted Turner said 'Whoops, sorry, I just wanted to see it in color and now I have. Let's keep it in black & white'

So Ted Turner was smarter than George Lucas and more respectful of films that he owns.

[GaS]

Originally Posted by balthazar_bee

http://www.r-word.org/

Sick and tired of the language police.

[rickah88]

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by GaS

Sick and tired of the language police.

What about me being the language police ~ If you notice the post that used that word is no longer there

[tylergfoster]

Anyone mention Picnic at Hanging Rock?

The flipside of that is that the theatrical cuts of Star Wars are available in a number of "watchable" home video formats, not least of which is the most recent non-anamorphic DVDs that were officially released.

For years I was opposed to the practice of not releasing the unaltered OT but I was mixed on the SEs. "Some of those effects are pretty neat," I said, and of course there are times when you can accept that Lucas may not have had the money to do what he wanted in 1977.

Then I actually sat down and watched my LE DVDs for the first time since I transitioned from a kid who likes movies and someone with a legitimate interest in film and I realized the real loss is that the whole film becomes unstuck in time. Film is always a product of its time and place and the big loss is the obliteration of the things that make Star Wars a product of the late 1970s. I'm done with the revisions. Until the day comes when the unaltered OT hits home video in HD, I'll have those LE DVDs, and I'll be happy.

[Lentulus Batiatus]

[blonde_devil]

Originally Posted by iamsometal

Because there are millions to be made right now. A partnership with Disney would be extremely lucrative for both parties. Makes total sense.

For as long as Fox has home video distribution rights, you bet they'll want to milk every dime out of both trilogies.

You're assuming Disney would want to do a partnership. Why split the profits when they can wait a few years, build up the demand even more and get it all for themselves? It isn't like demand will go down if they wait. Only one who benefits from a partnership is Fox.

[tylergfoster]

Originally Posted by blonde_devil

You're assuming Disney would want to do a partnership. Why split the profits when they can wait a few years, build up the demand even more and get it all for themselves? It isn't like demand will go down if they wait. Only one who benefits from a partnership is Fox.

They can never get it all for themselves. In 2020 Empire and Jedi will revert to Disney, but A New Hope belongs to 20th Century Fox forever.

[Elvis]

Originally Posted by tylergfoster

Anyone mention Picnic at Hanging Rock?

The flipside of that is that the theatrical cuts of Star Wars are available in a number of "watchable" home video formats, not least of which is the most recent non-anamorphic DVDs that were officially released.

For years I was opposed to the practice of not releasing the unaltered OT but I was mixed on the SEs. "Some of those effects are pretty neat," I said, and of course there are times when you can accept that Lucas may not have had the money to do what he wanted in 1977.

Then I actually sat down and watched my LE DVDs for the first time since I transitioned from a kid who likes movies and someone with a legitimate interest in film and I realized the real loss is that the whole film becomes unstuck in time. Film is always a product of its time and place and the big loss is the obliteration of the things that make Star Wars a product of the late 1970s. I'm done with the revisions. Until the day comes when the unaltered OT hits home video in HD, I'll have those LE DVDs, and I'll be happy.

Some on this board just don't seem to get that at all. They like things wrapped up neat like to fit the inferior prequels to make for one lame story arch. Original trilogy be damned! Kurtz said it best, he was not in favor of seeing prequels because you box yourself in. We never needed to have a PT at all....he should have just continued on with 7,8 & 9 years ago. Sadly the dude did not even go back and rewatch his own films before making the prequels. Then once he made then he had to go back and change more things to TRY and tie up loose ends and fix things he should have already known about. I hope all of you have watched Plinkets Red Letter Media review of the PT. It is so spot on even Ebert loved them.

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by tylergfoster

They can never get it all for themselves. In 2020 Empire and Jedi will revert to Disney, but A New Hope belongs to 20th Century Fox forever.

We don't know that is still the case. There is strong speculation (reinforced by changes to the wording of copyright notices on the various rereleases - 1997 vs 2004) that as part of the deal for Fox to get the prequels, they quietly exchanged back the "forever" rights to Star Wars in terms of distribution.

Lucas had no contractual obligation to give Fox the prequels to distribute, nor after his experience working on the OT with them do I think he likely had any particular loyalty/affection for them - they simply made the best offer, or the one he most wanted to accept. I am sure he had several studios willing to throw buckets of money at him - but for whatever reason he went with Fox. A lot of folks speculate this is why.

It's also easy to see why Fox would - those were basically the most anticipated films in the history of the industry, and knowing they were going to lose ESB and ROTJ eventually anyway, they had no idea where the future films would be going or how successful they would be, and there is only so much money they could make with the rights to distribute one film that they didn't even know would still be as revered after the prequels, for all they knew at the time the prequels were going to be so spectacular that folks would never care about the OT again.

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by Elvis

Some on this board just don't seem to get that at all. They like things wrapped up neat like to fit the inferior prequels to make for one lame story arch. Original trilogy be damned! Kurtz said it best, he was not in favor of seeing prequels because you box yourself in. We never needed to have a PT at all....he should have just continued on with 7,8 & 9 years ago. Sadly the dude did not even go back and rewatch his own films before making the prequels. Then once he made then he had to go back and change more things to TRY and tie up loose ends and fix things he should have already known about. I hope all of you have watched Plinkets Red Letter Media review of the PT. It is so spot on even Ebert loved them.

That's the part I never got. The plot holes could have been fixed, easily. It was like he just didn't care enough to bother, presuming "oh I'll just go change the old ones instead". In truth, we know he had a very very difficult time writing the prequels, as has been documented - especially the last one. Basically, it was a one man show with him sitting in his office - whereas the OT was not, the writing was very collaborative - and we saw that on his own he simply is not a great writer (and fully admits he hates writing to begin with).

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

Really? I read the "making of" books. I don't remember much about Marcia's contribution being mentioned.

You are kidding, right? If so your copy may have been damaged, contact the manufacturer or the place you bought it from. You are missing portions of the books. They make it very clear that especially with Star Wars she took the rough cuts that folks thought was terrible (including Coppola, etc. who know what a rough cut is) and crafted it into the film that changed the film industry forever. There may not have been a lot of inches of space devoted to talking about her on and on, as she refuses to speak about any of it and never has really been interviewed properly ever, but the weight of her contributions is clearly emphasized.

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by rickah88

The only difference is, most content fans have not lost their minds and use terms like "rape" and "childhood", and any other nonsense like that.

Straw man.

I have never once seen anyone legitimately say that, anywhere.

I've seen a few folks make jokes about it, but in general the only folks that I have ever seen type that are folks like yourself complaining about stuff that no one actually says. It's become this "thing" that some solitary idiot crazy person probably said fifteen years ago who likely didn't even mean it to begin with which has been capitalized on ever since by folks who are apologists for Lucas' hypocritical treatment of Star Wars vs. his supposedly strongly held views about film history/preservation.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by BillieCassin

You are kidding, right? If so your copy may have been damaged, contact the manufacturer or the place you bought it from. You are missing portions of the books. They make it very clear that especially with Star Wars she took the rough cuts that folks thought was terrible (including Coppola, etc. who know what a rough cut is) and crafted it into the film that changed the film industry forever. There may not have been a lot of inches of space devoted to talking about her on and on, as she refuses to speak about any of it and never has really been interviewed properly ever, but the weight of her contributions is clearly emphasized.

Um, he's being sarcastic. That's the one thing I truly hate about Star Wars threads, people can't switch off from the oh-so-serious business of talking about Star Wars that they can't spot a joke staring them in the face (and that includes the Plinkett reviews.) Unless you're being sarcastic in reply with the bit about "missing portions of the books"? Mind......BLOWN.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by BillieCassin

We don't know that is still the case. There is strong speculation (reinforced by changes to the wording of copyright notices on the various rereleases - 1997 vs 2004) that as part of the deal for Fox to get the prequels, they quietly exchanged back the "forever" rights to Star Wars in terms of distribution.

I thought it was the other way around: for Fox to get the prequels Lucas wanted full ownership of the original movie (to tie in with Empire and Jedi, which he financed himself, but Star Wars still belonged to Fox), and Fox gave it to him - BUT they held on to the distribution rights in perpetuity, unlike all the other films which will revert to Disney when the current LFL/Fox distribution deal expires. It was a minor detail at the time - it's not like Lucas was thinking of selling up 20 years, ago and even if he was he probably thought that Fox would be his first choice anyway - and at this point in time it still is.

I don't see why people think that Disney will hold off from any home video releases until the deal expires, though. They were perfectly happy to let Paramount distribute the Marvel movies that were still under that deal, so why would it be any different for Star Wars? It's not about 'giving Fox money for free' because they're legally entitled to it, and if Disney hold fire then they're cutting off their nose to spite their face; a piece of something is still better than a whole lot of nothing. Besides, Fox will have to do the donkey work of producing and distributing the discs, LFL will create the content, if anyone's getting money for free it's the House of Mouse.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by BillieCassin

Straw man.

I have never once seen anyone legitimately say that, anywhere.

I've seen a few folks make jokes about it, but in general the only folks that I have ever seen type that are folks like yourself complaining about stuff that no one actually says. It's become this "thing" that some solitary idiot crazy person probably said fifteen years ago who likely didn't even mean it to begin with which has been capitalized on ever since by folks who are apologists for Lucas' hypocritical treatment of Star Wars vs. his supposedly strongly held views about film history/preservation.

Haha! It was a running joke on theforce.net/rebelscum/sw.com, several years ago. That's when I tapped out of those sites.
Trust me there is a LOT of venom toward Lucas. I have neither the time, nor the inclination to list it all. Now I can understand someone having an opinion and being put off by the situation. I would like the OT's at some point....but am I going to resort to posting nonsense about it? Heck no...but that's just me.
Furthermore, as I said, if Entitled Fan believe he can post venom, I see no reason why Content Fan can shake his head at it.

Jus think, a whole new wave of venom is just waiting to be thrown the way of Episode VII. You there are some...uhmmm..."overly passionate" fans that have already signed off on the film's failure for some bizarre reason.

[al cos.]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Haha! It was a running joke on theforce.net/rebelscum/sw.com, several years ago. That's when I tapped out of those sites..

Find any examples of someone seriously saying it. If it's so rampant, it should be easy.

[iamsometal]

Originally Posted by blonde_devil

You're assuming Disney would want to do a partnership. Why split the profits when they can wait a few years, build up the demand even more and get it all for themselves? It isn't like demand will go down if they wait. Only one who benefits from a partnership is Fox.

Who does Disney partner with on all of the Marvel releases now?

Not one, but two studios: Marvel and Paramount. Trust me, while the physical medium of blu-ray is still viable, they will cash in. Especially when they have the new trilogy to promote. Not that new Star Wars movies need much marketing, they will still spend millions upon millions to market them.

And when they can market and turn a profit simultaneously, you can be damn sure they'll cash in. Especially when they've had the first film delayed on an investment of $4 billion.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by al cos.

Find any examples of someone seriously saying it. If it's so rampant, it should be easy.

As I said this all happened years ago. You can search just as easily.

Edit: Here a 1 second google search brought this:
http://entertainment.time.com/2013/0...it-after-jedi/

Just start following the links. The fact that you can search this, clearly shows it, at one time was quite rampant.

[Elvis]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Haha! It was a running joke on theforce.net/rebelscum/sw.com, several years ago. That's when I tapped out of those sites.
Trust me there is a LOT of venom toward Lucas. I have neither the time, nor the inclination to list it all. Now I can understand someone having an opinion and being put off by the situation. I would like the OT's at some point....but am I going to resort to posting nonsense about it? Heck no...but that's just me.
Furthermore, as I said, if Entitled Fan believe he can post venom, I see no reason why Content Fan can shake his head at it.

Jus think, a whole new wave of venom is just waiting to be thrown the way of Episode VII. You there are some...uhmmm..."overly passionate" fans that have already signed off on the film's failure for some bizarre reason.

The part I am still trying to figure out is why "content fan/s" are even in this thread anymore. You got what you wanted...are you happy with your release? You got the versions you wanted in a nice box set and all is right in your galaxy. The only thing they didn't do and should have is provide new scans. The rest of us 'entitled" , "over passionate fans" should have ownership over the thread now as we did not get what we wanted and have plenty to discuss or gripe about still. And because we have not gotten what we wanted you know that there is going to be some Lucas bashing going on....so be it! What do you care? You related to GL? Know him personally? Anyone who is opposed to getting the unbutchered original trilogy, or having them released because they were not GL's vision at the time is in the thread for one reason and thats to stir the pot. Shouldn't you be watching "your" films in your home theater? I know if I got the versions I wanted I wouldnt be here in this thread.