Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Lord Method Man]

Originally Posted by The Film Expert

Like it or not, the prequels are culturally significant and made a huge impact on modern films and film making in general.

... on Bizarro World.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by The Film Expert

The creator seemed to think they were inferior. He's the artist, he decides when his vision is complete. He's even said himself that the original theatrical cuts were only half completed.

Like it or not, the prequels are culturally significant and made a huge impact on modern films and film making in general.

the creator himself also turned out to be nut job...contradicting himself at every turn (anyone remember his famed 1980's speech about film preservation)... a man who's systematically run his cred as a director INTO THE GROUND (albeit a BRILLIANT businessman with what he's done with ILM etc)

[The Film Expert]

Originally Posted by wormraper

the creator himself also turned out to be nut job...contradicting himself at every turn (anyone remember his famed 1980's speech about film preservation)... a man who's systematically run his cred as a director INTO THE GROUND (albeit a BRILLIANT businessman with what he's done with ILM etc)

He was talking about studios taking black and white films and converting them to color for modern audiences, not about the artist going back and completing his original vision.

I don't see why this quote is brought up so much and taken out of context when he's clearly talking about a different issue.

[Elvis]

Originally Posted by The Film Expert

The creator seemed to think they were inferior. He's the artist, he decides when his vision is complete. He's even said himself that the original theatrical cuts were only half completed.

Like it or not, the prequels are culturally significant and made a huge impact on modern films and film making in general.

Please elaborate. Please make a case. They didn't break any new ground, John Williams score for the second and third one were truly uninspired. The special effects were not ground breaking in anyway. The acting and casting (mostly) were awful, there was no connection or chemistry at all for the love interests. You never saw any important character building relationships on screen. They have some good qualities like a great villain in TPM and a wonderful "memorable" score/theme "Duel of the Fates". But other than that I don't really see that much there. They were ill timed and inferior films from the start and then came the ultimate sin changing the "masterpieces" to fit them instead of vive versa.

[Batmon77]

Originally Posted by The Film Expert

Like it or not, the prequels are culturally significant and made a huge impact on modern films and film making in general.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by Batmon77

that's about the most cultural significance the PT has. we have a character that the whole world can come together and hate together

[Elvis]

Originally Posted by wormraper

that's about the most cultural significance the PT has. we have a character that the whole world can come together and hate together

I rest my case.

[The Film Expert]

Originally Posted by Batmon77

Exactly. Watch some documentaries about the prequels and watch documentaries about cgi and sfx at the time Episode I came out. You will understand the significance of Jar Jar to the film indistry. It doesn't matter if you liked him or not.

[Batmon77]

I defense of the PT, maybe the CGI influenced future CGI and the Clone Wars cartoons gathered a new generation of SW fans.

Hugh Impact? I dunno.

Does the new Planet of the Apes reboot owe itself to the PT.......?

[Elvis]

Originally Posted by Batmon77

I defense of the PT, maybe the CGI influenced future CGI and the Clone Wars cartoons gathered a new generation of SW fans.

Hugh Impact? I dunno.

Does the new Planet of the Apes reboot owe itself to the PT.......?

Way too many CGI films out by 1999 to call any of the PT ground breaking in that department.

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by wormraper

bingo, many a "protest" has gotten a studio to release another version of a film, but the OT star wars debacle has risen to a level unheard of in any other medium with INSANE amount of supporters... there's a REASON it has become such a phenomen with entire documentaries shot about the star wars OT not being released.

Maybe George knew what he was doing then.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

Maybe George knew what he was doing then.

ooooooooo, sneaky george

[Bruce Campbell]

Wasn't it Roger Ebert who said that you could tell that the PT wasn't as good as the OT because there aren't any quotable lines in the prequels like there are in originals?


"I hate sand" isn't as quotable as "these aren't the droids you are looking for".

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by Bruce Campbell

Wasn't it Roger Ebert who said that you could tell that the PT wasn't as good as the OT because there aren't any quotable lines in the prequels like there are in originals?


"I hate sand" isn't as quotable as "these aren't the droids you are looking for".

but remember, all critics are evil and hate good films..... and are probably child molesters

[comicgeek]

I for one like the prequel trilogy. They are what I grew up with. I have fond memories of putting in the Phantom Menace before I went to school over a few days so I would be ready for when the third movie came out (I was in first grade at the time). Yeah Jar Jar is a tough pill to swallow, but IDK I like the movies. I remember sitting in the basement on a bunch of comforters as a five year old watching Attack of the Clones with the family the week it came out to DVD. They are some of the best memories of my childhood and my enjoyment for them today stems from that and my insane crush on Natalie Portman as a nine year old.

[Majoran]

^^^ this is what it is all about. Everyone has a different experience with these movies and sometimes we share a common thread (love of the franchise). The PT will undoubtedly connect more to the younger crowd and the OT to the older crowd. For those that love the OT and say their kids also prefer the OT I wonder how much bashing etc has gone on to "color" your kids perception. Of course they like the OT more because YOU like the OT more. There is nothing wrong with liking the PT and I really wish people would get past their hate to see that the PT is what brought many a new fans and a new generation of SW fans into the universe. I don't like everything that was done for the PT or the OT, but that doesn't change my overall feelings about the entire franchise at all.

[Falaskan]

Seems like the younger crowd likes the PT for the same reasons the older crowd/followers like the OT. And when I say followers I refer to those that used to like the SE and later grew to hate it cuz they hung out on forums like this too much.

[Blu-21]

I've asked this before I know, but I wish someone uploaded the full Jabba scene in ANH from the special edition 1997 version. I have never seen it in full.

I know the CGI rendition of the 97 version was crap, but that's exactly why I want to watch the entire scene.

[comicgeek]

Originally Posted by Majoran

^^^ this is what it is all about. Everyone has a different experience with these movies and sometimes we share a common thread (love of the franchise). The PT will undoubtedly connect more to the younger crowd and the OT to the older crowd. For those that love the OT and say their kids also prefer the OT I wonder how much bashing etc has gone on to "color" your kids perception. Of course they like the OT more because YOU like the OT more. There is nothing wrong with liking the PT and I really wish people would get past their hate to see that the PT is what brought many a new fans and a new generation of SW fans into the universe. I don't like everything that was done for the PT or the OT, but that doesn't change my overall feelings about the entire franchise at all.

Yeah I mean don't get me wrong I love the originals, my family had the gold box Special Editions on tape before before I was born. But just something about the wait having my parents go to the movies the day they came out so I could find out if I could watch it, and having my dad shield my eyes in parts the first several times during Attack of the Clones, for me those memories are just priceless. I haven't bought these on Blu-ray yet, but I will probably watch the PT way more than Return of the Jedi which would probably be considered a crime to some. They are what I enjoy because they are what I know. I love all of the films. I would say I really couldn't pick a second favorite out of 1-4 (5 is my favorite). They are all enjoyable to me.

[JimmyTwoTimes]

Originally Posted by comicgeek

Yeah I mean don't get me wrong I love the originals, my family had the gold box Special Editions on tape before before I was born. But just something about the wait having my parents go to the movies the day they came out so I could find out if I could watch it, and having my dad shield my eyes in parts the first several times during Attack of the Clones, for me those memories are just priceless. I haven't bought these on Blu-ray yet, but I will probably watch the PT way more than Return of the Jedi which would probably be considered a crime to some. They are what I enjoy because they are what I know. I love all of the films. I would say I really couldn't pick a second favorite out of 1-4 (5 is my favorite). They are all enjoyable to me.

Your dad shielded your eyes during Attack of the Clones?

That's love.