Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by octagon

And in the event no group steps up to demands that Lucas be hanged I'm sure you guys will be more than happy to imagine one.

We have no need to imagine one, it will happen! It's the Internet afterall, add Star Wars and you have a 105% chance that someone will be unhappy and complaint that his/her live is ruined by what Lucas/Disney release or fail to release. It's go nothing to do with imagination, it's just plain reality

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by filmmusic

well, if they release the OT with no-alteration-correction-whatsoever-and-i-really-mean-that and the 3 audio options (70mm 6-track, 35mm stero and mono), I think noone would have the right afterwards to complain!

I just say this because I read opinions that "yeah, they should release the unaltered trilogy, but they should fix this, and they should fix that etc.".
No! They shouldn't fix anything at all! If anyone wants fixes, there are the other 3-4 versions of the films.
The thing that is needed is a decent restoration of the films as they were presented in the theaters!
A presentation similar to Spielberg's E.T. on Bluray.

Does not matter at this point, no matter what they release. Someone, somewhere will be unhappy that this or that was not corrected or included or change or something....Nothing they can do or will do will make the complaining stop at this point.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Does not matter at this point, no matter what they release. Someone, somewhere will be unhappy that this or that was not corrected or included or change or something....Nothing they can do or will do will make the complaining stop at this point.

This is such a BS strawman argument.

Look at ANY thread for ANY release of ANY Blu-Ray movie release around here. It doesn't matter how good or bad the transfer or the movie itself generally is. Someone will have something negative to say about it. They may disagree with this site's review of the film, or they may not have liked the film when many others did. And if the film and/or transfer are generally considered bad, then the negativity will be even greater.

It doesn't mean that they should stop releasing movies on Blu-Ray (or any format for that matter).


A generally well done HD resoration of the UOT would please A LOT of fans, and would at least reduce a lot of the complaints about a lack of a proper release. Yeah, there will still be someone here and there that will have a problem with it, and there will even be the occasional comment from someone who is otherwise happy with the release about some aspect they would have liked to have seen done differently. Heck, even if Lucas had never altered the movies in the first place and was just bringing the movies to Blu-Ray for the first time, similar critiques would still exist.

That doesn't mean that they just shouldn't release them.

[Elvis]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Does not matter at this point, no matter what they release. Someone, somewhere will be unhappy that this or that was not corrected or included or change or something....Nothing they can do or will do will make the complaining stop at this point.

And nobody is to blame other than George then. He brought this all upon himself. That clown let his ego take control and thought he could just do whatever he wanted. If he had just been smart like his peers Spielberg, Scott ect... all this would have been taken care of long ago. His peers realized nobody is too big or above doing whats right and now look where we are. Case Closed.

[peckinpah]

Originally Posted by reason108

That is not what I meant. There was the premiere. Then, my understanding is that after that then he re-edited the film before it went into wide release. That is the point that I was making was that he did not instruct local theater projectionists to edit his film.

The movie had its premiere, then went into select theaters. He decided to make the edits between that time and the start of the general run. The projectionists at those select theaters took their prints and physically cut them according to Kubrick's instructions.

[al cos.]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Does not matter at this point, no matter what they release. Someone, somewhere will be unhappy that this or that was not corrected or included or change or something....Nothing they can do or will do will make the complaining stop at this point.

Oh no! Somebody in some corner of somewhere might complain!
The most feeble, pathetic, watery oatmeal reason to not do something worthwhile.

[MacEachaidh]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Does not matter at this point, no matter what they release. Someone, somewhere will be unhappy that this or that was not corrected or included or change or something....Nothing they can do or will do will make the complaining stop at this point.

True in itself, to some degree ... but just because some people make pointless complaints doesn't mean that every complaint is pointless.

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

A generally well done HD resoration of the UOT would please A LOT of fans, and would at least reduce a lot of the complaints about a lack of a proper release.

Aye, there's the rub.

DoE, thank you for spelling A LOT correctly.
I was starting to think that was a piece of knowledge lost from the internet!

[MacEachaidh]

Originally Posted by peckinpah

The movie had its premiere, then went into select theaters. He decided to make the edits between that time and the start of the general run. The projectionists at those select theaters took their prints and physically cut them according to Kubrick's instructions.

And clearly not all prints were changed — I saw the untrimmed version when I was a kid, at a drive-in in Australia.

(Apropos of nothing, but I find it curious.)

[P@t_Mtl]

For everyone who reply to my post...

I never said that complaining is limited to Star Wars or Lucas. What I was saying mostly is for those saying release the OT and the complaining will stop and that is just a fantasy, it will not stop, everyone just want "THEIR" version of Star Wars with this scene corrected and this lightsaber of that color and the sound done that way and so on....

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Elvis

And nobody is to blame other than George then. He brought this all upon himself. That clown let his ego take control and thought he could just do whatever he wanted. If he had just been smart like his peers Spielberg, Scott ect... all this would have been taken care of long ago. His peers realized nobody is too big or above doing whats right and now look where we are. Case Closed.

In a way yes but not because of ego I think, more "his vision" of what he figured "his movies" should look like. However I can understand how it would seem like ego for some

[Suntory_Times]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

For everyone who reply to my post...

I never said that complaining is limited to Star Wars or Lucas. What I was saying mostly is for those saying release the OT and the complaining will stop and that is just a fantasy, it will not stop, everyone just want "THEIR" version of Star Wars with this scene corrected and this lightsaber of that color and the sound done that way and so on....

How about just releasing the films as they where originally shown. I'm not sure why it is hard to understand about some (many) wanting this. They want the film they saw in 1977/80/83, not a 'remix' that was done several years later. Sure some may want the 1995 versions,m some may want the current blu-ray versions (which they can already get on blu-ray of course). You could of course could do what Blade Runner did and make available a blu-ray set that contains all the different versions of the film(s), if Blade Runner can do it (work cut, theatrical cut, directors cut and final cut) why on earth can't Star Wars?

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

In a way yes but not because of ego I think, more "his vision" of what he figured "his movies" should look like. However I can understand how it would seem like ego for some

Except he is no longer the person he was when he was making the films (or film if we are talking about the OT as he only directed one of those). I don't mean this in a derogatory way, but as he has lived who he is will have changed, many don't want to see how he envisioned star wars years after he made it, they want to see it how he originally made it and sent to cinemas.

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by Suntory_Times

How about just releasing the films as they where originally shown. I'm not sure why it is hard to understand about some (many) wanting this. They want the film they saw in 1977/90/93, not a 'remix' that was done several years later. Sure some may want the 1995 versions,m some may want the current blu-ray versions (which they can already get on blu-ray of course). You could of course could do what Blade Runner did and make available a blu-ray set that contains all the different versions of the film(s), if Blade Runner can do it (work cut, theatrical cut, directors cut and final cut) why on earth can't Star Wars?




Except he is no longer the person he was when he was making the films (or film if we are talking about the OT as he only directed one of those). I don't mean this in a derogatory way, but as he has lived who he is will have changed, many don't want to see how he envisioned star wars years after he made it, they want to see it how he originally made it and sent to cinemas.

I completely agree with the whole Blade Runner scenario.

There's no excuse really for not having all versions of the Star Wars OT available in the highest quality possible so that everyone can have a choice to which edition they want to watch.

Just put all the versions in a box set, give them all a nice transfer, encode the audio in lossless format (the original theatrical stereo/mono mixes + surround remixes) and add in some special features and you're good to go.

[filmmusic]

Originally Posted by The Fallen Deity

Just put all the versions in a box set, give them all a nice transfer, encode the audio in lossless format (the original theatrical stereo/mono mixes + surround remixes) and add in some special features and you're good to go.

At this point we are, as i've said again, I would be extremely happy if we even got the versions you describe in barebones Blurays wrapped up in a newspaper!

[filmmusic]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

In a way yes but not because of ego I think, more "his vision" of what he figured "his movies" should look like. However I can understand how it would seem like ego for some

well, that vision changes each time the films are released on home video, so I can't take his vision seriously!

[chip75]

Originally Posted by reason108

That is not what I meant. There was the premiere. Then, my understanding is that after that then he re-edited the film before it went into wide release. That is the point that I was making was that he did not instruct local theater projectionists to edit his film.

There were five prints which were edited (in different cities), and another five cities needed their prints edited for the next week. I'd imagine they were done in house. After all projectionists weren't adverse to sticking cigarettes through film to create cue marks and they'd have the necessary skills to put the film back together again if it was damaged or broken. Stanley used to give very specific instructions to projectionists back in the day, so to think that they'd be asked to alter the film isn't too far a stretch of the imagination.

I would have thought the other prints were edited before they went out.

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by filmmusic

At this point we are, as i've said again, I would be extremely happy if we even got the versions you describe in barebones Blurays wrapped up in a newspaper!

I'd go with that if it meant having the original cuts in HD.

[thebard]

Originally Posted by fassbenderfan

Luke lived a mostly secluded life on Tattooine and had just a few friends such as Biggs. When he saw Leia's hologram in ANH, he was infatuated with her (and was probably the first girl he probably saw apart from his Aunt).

What about Camie?

[bongozoid]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

In a way yes but not because of ego I think, more "his vision" of what he figured "his movies" should look like. However I can understand how it would seem like ego for some

So tell me - which one was his true vision? the '97 special editions? or the 2004 DVD version that he said was the one that was going to "last forever"?

Here we are almost 40 years later and the guy still can't make up his mind how the movies are supposed to look. He did the right thing selling the franchise or he would have just tinkered away at them until he died (though he probably would have written some notes on further changes to make on his death bed).

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by bongozoid

He did the right thing selling the franchise or he would have just tinkered away at them until he died (though he probably would have written some notes on further changes to make on his death bed).

He'd probably have left behind a series of sealed envelopes, Hunger Games style, with the instructions that one should be opened every 25 years to let us know how he wanted his 'vision' to be refined yet further.

[motorheadache95]

Who is the more foolish? The UOT complainer, or the complainer who complains about them? <pets Chewbacca's head>