Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Jakdonark]

Originally Posted by chip75

It's about 11 minutes a reel, so around the 11 minute mark for reel 1, 22 minutes for reel 2, 33 for reel 3 and so on.

Thanks! I checked and the Jabba's barge blows up just past 35 minutes, so it could be possible there was a reel change there.

However, correct me if I'm wrong, a film is shot, cut and delivered to a lab. The lab makes an IP from which copies are made? Are those the final reels that go out to Theaters? If so what I saw (or am 98% sure I saw) would have been on every print out there. Although what I saw was during a reel change because of the numbers and the projectionist was not on the ball. Do film reels usually always cut off and go to a header and footer? Any chance some frames get left in? It seems very unlikely, but back then some errors were made. Even ESB SE in the theater still had the floating star destroyer engine glow for a few frames, and that was fixed by the time it got to the home version.

Or what about a bad edit in Bullitt after the Charger hits the parked Lincoln? And that actually made it to the final cut and the home video version for years before it was fixed.

I've been getting more and more pieces to this puzzle over the last 30 years, but the closer I get to completion, the less the picture looks like it does on the box.

[thebard]

Originally Posted by Jakdonark

Thanks! I checked and the Jabba's barge blows up just past 35 minutes, so it could be possible there was a reel change there.

However, correct me if I'm wrong, a film is shot, cut and delivered to a lab. The lab makes an IP from which copies are made? Are those the final reels that go out to Theaters? If so what I saw (or am 98% sure I saw) would have been on every print out there. Although what I saw was during a reel change because of the numbers and the projectionist was not on the ball. Do film reels usually always cut off and go to a header and footer? Any chance some frames get left in? It seems very unlikely, but back then some errors were made. Even ESB SE in the theater still had the floating star destroyer engine glow for a few frames, and that was fixed by the time it got to the home version.

Or what about a bad edit in Bullitt after the Charger hits the parked Lincoln? And that actually made it to the final cut and the home video version for years before it was fixed.

I've been getting more and more pieces to this puzzle over the last 30 years, but the closer I get to completion, the less the picture looks like it does on the box.

I don't know about film, but in the music business we were taught to never throw anything away. If editing instructions were given in the days of tape, we would splice the unwanted snip onto the end of the reel.

(That's in fact how "Her Majesty" ended up as an extra song at the end of Abbey Road, with no liner note reference.)

If something similar was done with film (and sometimes late edits did fall to the projectionist), it's possible that's what happened. But I think probably less likely with something like the third installment of Star Wars, at least once it went into wide release.

[thegoat]

Originally Posted by Elvis

Really? Is that why he gave Episode II two out of four stars? Hmm...

That's why I referred to I & III, which he rated highly. Reading comprehension....it's a good thing.

[Lyle_JP]

Originally Posted by KaineKinetic

6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1

The Memento experience. You should try programming your player to play all the chapters in reverse order, too.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

I've done 4-1-2-5-3-6 before. I actually really liked it.

[Astro Zombie]

Originally Posted by KaineKinetic

6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1

I gotta try this.

[Cobra Kai]

This is the best order.

4, 5, 6

[Astro Zombie]

Originally Posted by Cobra Kai

This is the best order.

4, 5, 6

[The Fallen Deity]

For me it depends on which versions of the OT I'm watching.

If it's the Theatrical Cuts it goes:

4, 5, 6.

If it's the Special Editions it goes:

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.

I only watch the prequels if I'm planning on watching the Special Editions of the OT.

The prequels aren't needed if I'm watching the Theatrical Cuts.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by The Fallen Deity

For me it depends on which versions of the OT I'm watching.

If it's the Theatrical Cuts it goes:

4, 5, 6.

If it's the Special Editions it goes:

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.

I only watch the prequels if I'm planning on watching the Special Editions of the OT.

The prequels aren't needed if I'm watching the Theatrical Cuts.

This.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Astro Zombie

I gotta try this.

Yeah...I had something to do with that whole thing -- how to show Star Wars to people who have never seen it, to fix the narrative issues -- then the guy who created the Machete Order took it, then mangled my name when giving me credit. I missed The Big Bang Theory by *this* much! Lol.

It was just a proposed order on how to watch the movies. Surprised it blew up into a kind of viral thing. Here's my take on it at Talkbacker.com:

http://talkbacker.com/movies/retro/t...r-wars/id=4562

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by The Fallen Deity

For me it depends on which versions of the OT I'm watching.

If it's the Theatrical Cuts it goes:

4, 5, 6.

If it's the Special Editions it goes:

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.

I only watch the prequels if I'm planning on watching the Special Editions of the OT.

The prequels aren't needed if I'm watching the Theatrical Cuts.

If you want to show it to someone who has never seen the series before, you have to show them in the order of 4, 5, 1, 2, 3, 6. The revised Vader/Emperor dialog in The Empire Strikes Back is...unfortunate...

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by KaineKinetic

6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1

So that would be the Care Bears Countdown order?

[Thomas Guycott]

4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4

Am I doing this right?

[Show spoiler]

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

If you want to show it to someone who has never seen the series before, you have to show them in the order of 4, 5, 1, 2, 3, 6. The revised Vader/Emperor dialog in The Empire Strikes Back is...unfortunate...

If I'm showing someone who's never seen it before, it's definitely going to be 4-5-6 first and then, if they're interested, 1-2-3.

Publication/Release order all the way and forever.

[stvn1974]

Whenever I want to watch a good space movie I always watch Star Wars Episodes 4,5,6. Then I put an original crew Star Trek film.

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

If you want to show it to someone who has never seen the series before, you have to show them in the order of 4, 5, 1, 2, 3, 6. The revised Vader/Emperor dialog in The Empire Strikes Back is...unfortunate...

If I was personally introducing the series to someone who's never seen them before I'd show them the Theatrical Cuts of the OT.

After that it's up to them and them alone whether they choose to watch the PT & the Special Editions.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by thebard

(That's in fact how "Her Majesty" ended up as an extra song at the end of Abbey Road, with no liner note reference.)

I was going to call total b.s. on this, but according to Wikipedia, you're correct:

The song was originally placed between "Mean Mr. Mustard" and "Polythene Pam"; McCartney decided that the sequence did not work and the song was edited out of the medley by Abbey Road Studios tape operator John Kurlander. He was instructed by McCartney to destroy the tape, but EMI policy stated that no Beatles recording was ever to be destroyed. The fourteen seconds of silence between "The End" and "Her Majesty" are the result of Kurlander's lead-out tape added to separate the song from the rest of the recording.

The loud chord that occurs at the beginning of the song is the ending, as recorded, of "Mean Mr. Mustard".[4] "Her Majesty" ends abruptly because its own final note was left at the beginning of "Polythene Pam". Paul applauded Kurlander's "surprise effect" and the track became the unintended closer to the LP. The crudely edited beginning and end of "Her Majesty" shows that it was not meant to be included in the final mix of the album; as McCartney says in The Beatles Anthology, "Typical Beatles – an accident." Consequently, both of the original sides of vinyl close with a song that ends abruptly (the other being "I Want You (She's So Heavy)").

The CD version also mimics the original LP version in that the CD contains a 14-second long silence immediately after "The End" before "Her Majesty" starts playing.

At 23 seconds long, "Her Majesty" is the shortest song in the Beatles' repertoire (contrasting the same album's "I Want You (She's So Heavy)", their longest song apart from "Revolution 9", an eight-minute avant-garde piece from The White Album). The song was not listed on the original vinyl record's sleeve as the sleeves had already been printed; subsequent pressings and the CD edition correct this.[3]

In the film business, yes, everything is supposed to be saved, but it's frequently not. Half of all films made before 1954 are completely lost and not all of it is because of nitrate films turning to dust. Studios frequently got rid of outtakes and the like because they didn't want to store it all. There have been "legends" of studios getting rid of two of the three strips of the 3-strip Technicolor films because they thought those three negatives somehow meant they had three copies. And when negatives were conformed to work prints into A- and B-rolls for the lab, frames frequently went missing.

When I was a recording engineer, if we were recording a multitrack music session, all of the original session was saved. But when doing other types of work, like commercials, industrials, radio shows, etc., we'd edit the tape with razor blades, let the cut tape fall to the floor and dump it. In this age of digital recording, it's easier to save everything, but with file and storage formats constantly changing, who knows if it will be playable 50 years from now. That's why almost nothing digital is considered to be archival.

[Elvis]

OUT 4,5 and 6

Then I pop in TPM and skip the first part and watch the tat stuff. Then fwd to the maul fight. And thats about it

[thebard]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

I was going to call total b.s. on this, but according to Wikipedia, you're correct:

This is a much better reference:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Complete-B.../dp/1454910054