Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Cook]

Originally Posted by Thomas Guycott

Four years between SW and ESB, one year between ESB and ROJ.

And before the PT, Anakin was originally intended to older (and given and earlier DOB in 80s and early 90s EU), but making Anakin a young boy and casting Ewan McGregor as Obi-wan put an end to that.

I've always heard that it was 3 years between ANH and ESB and 6 months between ESB and ROTJ.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Astro Zombie

Well, worst would imply it's bad, which I don't really think it is (IMO of course). Sure, a lot of that might have to do with simple nostalgia, since I grew up watching the PT, but it's not terrible. But it is the weakest by far.

Man, that first hour or so is terrible. I can't get past how fake it all looks on Coruscant, and Ewan's fake beard is even worse. I know it's a really, really idiotic thing to get hung up on, but he looks so different in the reshoots it takes me out of the film. There are obvious reshot scenes in the other two movies where folks look a little different (like fat-face Ewan in TPM, or Hayden going from bulked-up to skinny in one cut in Sith), but they're used sparingly and don't distract me at all, unlike Clones where a great deal of Obi-Wan's role was reshot and which proves how clueless Lucas was about telling this particular part of the story.

Yeah, by the time they get to Naboo there's Lake Como and then the 'Sound of Music' shots in the field which look much better, but the problem then is that the "romantic" dialogue between Padme and Anakin is so tin-eared even James Cameron would disown it and there's zero chemistry there. The imagery is wonderful, like the 'choker' design of Padme's fireside outfit foreshadowing what is to come, but as I said before: these movies can't survive on symbolism alone.

That's why I love it when we get to the Clone Trooper battles: there's no corny dialogue and because it's all CG (which looks terrific to me) there are no distracting seams between the real world and the digital one. And there are certainly no fake beards.

[Elvis]

Originally Posted by KaineKinetic

Anakin (Phantom) - 9
Anakin (Clones) - 19
Anakin (Sith) - 22

Luke (Hope) - 18
Luke (Empire) - 21
Luke (Jedi) - 21/22/23/24

I personally find it had to believe that there is only 6 months between Jedi and Empire...

If these are ages you are off on Star Wars. Luke was 20 when we first meet him

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Elvis

If these are ages you are off on Star Wars. Luke was 20 when we first meet him

Maybe when it first came out, but officially there's a 19 year gap between Sith and Star Wars. So Luke's 19.

[Bluyoda]

Don't get me started on James Cameron and his corny writing skills.

I love the prequels, and to me, they are superior to the OT in many ways.

[Elvis]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Maybe when it first came out, but officially there's a 19 year gap between Sith and Star Wars. So Luke's 19.

When it first came out it was published that he was a 20 year old farm boy. Its even in the novel based on the screen play. Alsu Darth Vader on the back of my ESB bubble gum cards says He was 54. So GL could not even keep his own timeline straight? But then again there were heroes on both sides....

[stvn1974]

Star Wars Saga= Whiny brat becomes evil bad ass for 20 some years and then the whiny brat returns after meeting his son.

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

star wars saga= whiny brat becomes evil bad ass for 20 some years and then the whiny brat returns after meeting his son.

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[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

I agree that everyone having different tastes is what makes film making great but anyone who thinks that Godfather Part III is the best of the trilogy shouldn't be allowed to watch movies anymore.

I think your sarcasm detector is broken.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

Star Wars Saga= Whiny brat becomes evil bad ass for 20 some years and then the whiny brat returns after meeting his son.

People always complain that Anakin was portrayed as a whiny brat, but it's the whiny brats who do become the bullies of the world.

In fact, my complaint is that in Episode 1, little boy Anakin was not a whiny brat. He should have been. (He did seem to be a bit of a liar though.) But I think that Lucas may have been trying to show how kids become evil when they become teens (perhaps based on his own experiences). Anyone who has ever had a teen in the house wonders who that person is.

[blonde_devil]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

People always complain that Anakin was portrayed as a whiny brat, but it's the whiny brats who do become the bullies of the world.

Actually you bring up a good point. People forget there are really 2 types of bullies - the agressive, in your face ones that we all know about and then there are the people like this who kiss up and use who they know to get thier way(think the business world). In a world of Jedi, he would be powerless since there are others with similar powers. But use the stormtroopers to get rid of the jedi and then help keep everyone else in line and suddenly he is important and powerful. Yet look at the original films - when things don't go his way, he flips out, blames others, makes threats - your typical brat. That's where the prequels go wrong - instead of showing how someone could get seduced by the darkside, he showed how a whiny brat found power over others. Guess it still works but makes Vader less interesting of a character in the later films.

[stvn1974]

What Yoda should have said in Empire when training Luke.

Luke: "you expect the impossible" (pouts)
Yoda: (rolls eyes) "Obi Wan, get your ass out here, I can't deal with this shit again."

I borrowed the bonus disc from a friend of my brother's for the OT from the BD set and so far I enjoy it for what it is. Would have preferred other things be on it instead of the parody crap.

[Batmon77]

Originally Posted by blonde_devil

Actually you bring up a good point. People forget there are really 2 types of bullies - the agressive, in your face ones that we all know about and then there are the people like this who kiss up and use who they know to get thier way(think the business world). In a world of Jedi, he would be powerless since there are others with similar powers. But use the stormtroopers to get rid of the jedi and then help keep everyone else in line and suddenly he is important and powerful. Yet look at the original films - when things don't go his way, he flips out, blames others, makes threats - your typical brat. That's where the prequels go wrong - instead of showing how someone could get seduced by the darkside, he showed how a whiny brat found power over others. Guess it still works but makes Vader less interesting of a character in the later films.

Could you give examples?
Blaming others? When?

I never got the impression he was being bratty/whiny in the OT.
He was working for the Emperor who salvaged him into a cyborg.
And he had his personal agenda to connect w/ his kids.
He was portrayed as a middle man in Star Wars underneath Grand Moff Tarkin.
I dont think the Emperor/Sith was even mentioned in SW.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Batmon77

Could you give examples?
Blaming others? When?

I never got the impression he was being bratty/whiny in the OT.
He was working for the Emperor who salvaged him into a cyborg.
And he had his personal agenda to connect w/ his kids.
He was portrayed as a middle man in Star Wars underneath Grand Moff Tarkin.
I dont think the Emperor/Sith was even mentioned in SW.

The Emperor is mentioned once in Star Wars. "I've just received word that the Emperor has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away."

[sarah_wentworth]

Originally Posted by Batmon77

What part of "Its Not Set In Stone" do u not get?

And your in one of the most POPULAR threads of one of the most POPULAR Franchises in film history, yet the masses are ill-informed.
Arent you part of this masses thread?

It like denying McDonalds has served over 8 Billion while in McDonalds.

i am here for fun. i like these movies.
also quantity does not equal quality. thats why two Sith beat a hundred or a thousand, (not sure how many there were) jedi.

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

I love, love, love The Godfather Part III and I will defend its brilliance to the death, but better than Part II? You can't beat perfection (unless you're Blade Runner which is like perfection plus one).

yeah i love The Godfather Part 3 to but the first 2 are my favorite

Originally Posted by Falaskan

Well, minus the cutsie teddy bears, I think ROTJ had a better balance of action, spx, and character development.

just a crappy ending.

[Show spoiler]Vader would not turn on the Emperor that quick or ever. he was completely ruthless for 3 movies except the last 5 minutes of the third? No Way! just because fans want the jedi's to win lucas had to write that cheap ending.

[sarah_wentworth]

Originally Posted by Yojimbo68

I don't agree with this, especially with the character development. Luke does have an arc, I'll give you that and the Emperor storyline is the best thing in the movie. But Han Solo and company have become bores. Actually, Han's best and last great character moment is in ESB when he has the "I love you"..."I know" line. In ROTJ he's generic Han Solo. Ditto Leia and Lando. I like ROTJ but it's not nearly as good as the first two installments and I actually think (and I'm going to loose some of you here) Revenge of the Sith is a better overall Star Wars movie.

i agree. i liked the beginning of ROTJ but then it became a cute children's adventure.

Originally Posted by Falaskan

Yes, I suppose the only thing I hate about ROTS is the wooden acting.

the only things i hate about ROTJ is everything after the awesome action opening scenes at jabba's and the desert. the rest is a children's adventure movie. great for kids but not anyone over 12.

Originally Posted by Falaskan

Jar jar is the only real downside and doesn't even bug me as much as most ppl. TPM feels a lot like rotj

Jar Jar didn't bug me at first but he kinda gets on your nerves after a while.

[sarah_wentworth]

Originally Posted by Batmon77

If Anakin become Vader in his twenties (Sith) and Luke/Leia are born then, how old is Luke/Leia supposed to be by Jedi?

Cause when he takes off the helmut, Vader looks like he's 60-ish. And in the original Jedi Ghost image.

Does 40 years go by between Sith and Jedi? Cause Leia/Luke look like early 30 somethings.

I guess a young 30 something Obi-Won (Sith) is in his late 60's/early 70s by Star Wars?

they have great plastic surgeons in that galaxy

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by Batmon77

I dont think the Emperor/Sith was even mentioned in SW.

WOW! Just, WOW!

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by sarah_wentworth

just a crappy ending.

[Show spoiler]Vader would not turn on the Emperor that quick or ever. he was completely ruthless for 3 movies except the last 5 minutes of the third? No Way! just because fans want the jedi's to win lucas had to write that cheap ending.

Absolutely disagree. You could tell that

[Show spoiler]Vader was having second thoughts when Luke first surrendered himself.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Absolutely disagree. You could tell that

[Show spoiler]Vader was having second thoughts when Luke first surrendered himself.

Don't forget, VaderKin was gonna turn against PalpatIdious in Episode 5 if Luke joined him.
It was never a random thing.