Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Batmon77]

Originally Posted by starkiller--1138

wow! Just, wow!

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[Thomas Guycott]

A bit late getting to this but I had an early shift.

Originally Posted by Cook

I've always heard that it was 3 years between ANH and ESB and 6 months between ESB and ROTJ.

Yes, you're right, I fudged up; it was late.

After AOTC was released, there was a serialized EU news service called HoloNet News, which established an internal dating system used in the last days of the Republic, the Galactic Empire, and most of the New Rebublic. It was called the Great ReSynchronization, and was derived from the date given as the end of the Clone Wars in the first two editions of A Guide to the Star Wars Universe: 35 BBY, back when PT events were planed as occurring earlier than finalized. Timothy Zahn previously alluded to a similar dating system established by the Empire in the Thrawn Trilogy.

This was all thrown away when a "new" system was established by the New Republic in its waning years based around the Battle of Yavin in ANH, the BBY/ABY system used for years in the real world, but doesn't make any sense in-universe. TPTB just wanted to be lazy, and this creative choice still upsets me as a fan.

Anyway, here's a list of battles and events from the films. The GrS system goes year:month:day. Remember, I did warn you.

Birth of Obi-Wan Kenobi: 22 BrS (57 BBY)
Birth of Anakin Skywalker: 7:4 BrS (42 BBY)
Invasion of Naboo (TPM): 3:4:14 (32 BBY)
Birth of Han Solo: 6 (29 BBY)
Battle of Geonosis (AOTC): 13:5:16 (22 BBY)
Battle of Coruscant (ROTS): 16:5:20 (19 BBY)
Birth of Luke & Leia: 16:5:24 (19 BBY)
Battle of Yavin (ANH): 35:3:5 (0 BBY/ABY)
Battle of Hoth (ESB): 38:6:7 (3 ABY)
Battle of Endor (ROTJ): 39:3 (4 ABY)
EPISODE VII: ~34 ABY

[stvn1974]

After 6 months even Chewy was starting to look good to Leia. No wonder they did such a risky rescue.

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by sarah_wentworth

i am here for fun. i like these movies.
also quantity does not equal quality. thats why two Sith beat a hundred or a thousand, (not sure how many there were) jedi.

yeah i love The Godfather Part 3 to but the first 2 are my favorite

just a crappy ending.

[Show spoiler]Vader would not turn on the Emperor that quick or ever. he was completely ruthless for 3 movies except the last 5 minutes of the third? No Way! just because fans want the jedi's to win lucas had to write that cheap ending.

Vader cared more about Luke then he did Palpatine.

In fact he even resented Palpatine to an extent.

Vader may have been evil but he still loved Luke very much.

He didn't want his son to die.

So really it's not a cheap ending but a pretty powerful one.

[blonde_devil]

Originally Posted by Batmon77

Could you give examples?
Blaming others? When?

I never got the impression he was being bratty/whiny in the OT.
He was working for the Emperor who salvaged him into a cyborg.
And he had his personal agenda to connect w/ his kids.
He was portrayed as a middle man in Star Wars underneath Grand Moff Tarkin.
I dont think the Emperor/Sith was even mentioned in SW.

-Someone argues with him in the briefing, he tried to choke them out.
-Leah tells him nothing when her captures the ship, he throws a fit - "tear this ship apart...". He also kills one of the crew when they tell him nothing.
-The Hoth attack - blaming someone else when the rebels detect them. He was leading the attack and making decisions, it is his fault in the end yet he kills someone.
-Saying the Emperor won't be as forgiving as he is to get Death Star 2 working - using who he knows so he as the threat.

There are more examples but I can't think of them right now but a lot of it can be looked at as insecure bully tactics.

[Geoff D]

Meh, bosses are always blaming other people for their own **** ups. It's just what they do.

[Thomas Guycott]

Some inaccuracies here.

Originally Posted by blonde_devil

-Someone argues with him in the briefing, he tried to choke them out.

Vader chokes Admiral Motti after he disbelievingly insults Vader's religion.

-Leah tells him nothing when her captures the ship, he throws a fit - "tear this ship apart...". He also kills one of the crew when they tell him nothing.

You're misremembering the course of events. Vader shouts to his subordinate "Commander, tear this ship apart until you've found those plans, and bring me the passengers. I want them alive!" AFTER he strangles the blockade runner's captain. THEN he responds to Leia's denial with "You are part of the rebel alliance and a traitor. Take her away!"

-The Hoth attack - blaming someone else when the rebels detect them. He was leading the attack and making decisions, it is his fault in the end yet he kills someone.

Death Squadron may be Vader's personal priority fleet but it was apparently Admiral Ozzel's responsibility to make the hyperspace jump to the Hoth system, which they exited too close to the planet and were detected.

-Saying the Emperor won't be as forgiving as he is to get Death Star 2 working - using who he knows so he as the threat.

One of Vader's responsibilities is as the Emperor's emissary. Vader's official mission to DS2 was to make sure construction was on schedule for the Emperor's arrival, which he warns may cost Jerjerod his life.

Plus he's the villain; of course he's not going to be the nicest guy around.

[Batmon77]

Originally Posted by blonde_devil

-Someone argues with him in the briefing, he tried to choke them out.
-Leah tells him nothing when her captures the ship, he throws a fit - "tear this ship apart...". He also kills one of the crew when they tell him nothing.
-The Hoth attack - blaming someone else when the rebels detect them. He was leading the attack and making decisions, it is his fault in the end yet he kills someone.
-Saying the Emperor won't be as forgiving as he is to get Death Star 2 working - using who he knows so he as the threat.

There are more examples but I can't think of them right now but a lot of it can be looked at as insecure bully tactics.

Seriously?

[octagon]

Originally Posted by blonde_devil

-Someone argues with him in the briefing, he tried to choke them out.
-Leah tells him nothing when her captures the ship, he throws a fit - "tear this ship apart...". He also kills one of the crew when they tell him nothing.
-The Hoth attack - blaming someone else when the rebels detect them. He was leading the attack and making decisions, it is his fault in the end yet he kills someone.
-Saying the Emperor won't be as forgiving as he is to get Death Star 2 working - using who he knows so he as the threat.

There are more examples but I can't think of them right now but a lot of it can be looked at as insecure bully tactics.

You know, now that you mention it, Vader was kind of a dick.

Good catch.

[Batmon77]

Anakin kills kids and your talkin about bullying?

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by Batmon77

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Ahh, just ribbing ya a little dude. No hard feelings, . Although if you had been standing in front of me and said that, it would been more like this:

[Gold Ranger]

Admiral Ozzel was a Rebel Sympathizer.

[Falaskan]

Yoda was Darth Plagius...MIND BLOWN!

[Norbie]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

... and Ewan's fake beard is even worse. I know it's a really, really idiotic thing to get hung up on, but he looks so different in the reshoots it takes me out of the film. There are obvious reshot scenes in the other two movies where folks look a little different (like fat-face Ewan in TPM, or Hayden going from bulked-up to skinny in one cut in Sith), but they're used sparingly and don't distract me at all, unlike Clones where a great deal of Obi-Wan's role was reshot and which proves how clueless Lucas was about telling this particular part of the story ...

Strangely that's my biggest gripe in Clones (besides the romance), Ewan's ever changing beard. The scene where he meets the Clones for the first time and sits Down to talk one of them just makes me cringe. And it looks like they didn't event try to make the beard look the same, as if the job went to the Work-experience person on that day.

[Batmon77]

yeah his beard really ruins the film.

[JimmyTwoTimes]

Originally Posted by Batmon77

yeah his beard really ruins the film.

It will be changed in the upcoming PT Special Edition.

[stvn1974]

Originally Posted by Batmon77

yeah his beard really ruins the film.

His beard will blink in the next release of the Complete Saga.

On a serious note, if rocks can appear and disappear out of nowhere then why can't facial hair?

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

On a serious note, if rocks can appear and disappear out of nowhere then why can't facial hair?

Ugh, don't remind me.

[sarah_wentworth]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Absolutely disagree. You could tell that

[Show spoiler]Vader was having second thoughts when Luke first surrendered himself.

i thought Vader only cared about luke if luke joined him to kill the Emperor and rule the galaxy.
in ROTJ, when at the end luke shows no sign of joining Vader to run the galaxy, Vader should have let the Emperor kill him.
Vader should have never killed the Emperor and saved luke. the Empire is what Vader wanted. either running it with luke or the Emperor

ROTJ took cinemas greatest villain and ruined him foolishly by making him a good guy at the end. Vader isn't even a villain to me anymore.

Originally Posted by The Fallen Deity

Vader cared more about Luke then he did Palpatine.

In fact he even resented Palpatine to an extent.

Vader may have been evil but he still loved Luke very much.

He didn't want his son to die.

So really it's not a cheap ending but a pretty powerful one.

he loved the Empire and wanted to rule it with either luke or the Emperor. i don't think he loved luke at all. all i saw in TESB and ROTJ was vader trying to get luke to join him and rule the galaxy. ROTJ killed it when with minutes left in the movie he all of a sudden kills his master to save luke.

it made no sense when luke already showed he had no intention of joining Vader. all those years of being Vader, ruling the galaxy, killing millions, all changed in 30 seconds at the end of ROTJ with Vader becoming a good guy. it makes no sense.

[master gandhi]

Originally Posted by sarah_wentworth

i thought Vader only cared about luke if luke joined him to kill the Emperor and rule the galaxy.
in ROTJ, when at the end luke shows no sign of joining Vader to run the galaxy, Vader should have let the Emperor kill him.
Vader should have never killed the Emperor and saved luke. the Empire is what Vader wanted. either running it with luke or the Emperor

ROTJ took cinemas greatest villain and ruined him foolishly by making him a good guy at the end. Vader isn't even a villain to me anymore.

he loved the Empire and wanted to rule it with either luke or the Emperor. i don't think he loved luke at all. all i saw in TESB and ROTJ was vader trying to get luke to join him and rule the galaxy. ROTJ killed it when with minutes left in the movie he all of a sudden kills his master to save luke.

it made no sense when luke already showed he had no intention of joining Vader. all those years of being Vader, ruling the galaxy, killing millions, all changed in 30 seconds at the end of ROTJ with Vader becoming a good guy. it makes no sense.

I saw it as Vader finally seeing the err of his ways and ultimately choosing to save what's left of his family when clearly Palpatine didn't even care about Vader when his hand got cut off. Vader became Anakin again when he chose family over the Dark Side.