Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[jala12]

There are implied to have been numerous rebel cells going against the Empire over the years, but there is not yet a formation of the alliance so far as we can tell in the Rebels tv show. As for what the Empire actually does to evoke rebellion, they have done things ranging from taking over planets forcefully and through coercion, threatening and oppressing locals, and brutally wiping out civilizations that dare to oppose them. You don't much of this in the movies though. It was more of a good vs bad thing that you had to accept.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by jala12

There are implied to have been numerous rebel cells going against the Empire over the years, but there is not yet a formation of the alliance so far as we can tell in the Rebels tv show. As for what the Empire actually does to evoke rebellion, they have done things ranging from taking over planets forcefully and through coercion, threatening and oppressing locals, and brutally wiping out civilizations that dare to oppose them. You don't much of this in the movies though. It was more of a good vs bad thing that you had to accept.

This is the point though.
According to the movies, the Empire is loved by all, Humans and Non-Humans.

There really isn't a reason for the Rebellion to pop up yet.
Heck, even in Ep3, we don't know if it was the Troopers that killed all the Wookies. They just say that they are all dead.
The Droid Army could have slaughtered them all.

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by KaineKinetic

And yes, Leia as Sister was a Last minute change at the end of filming Empire! The "That boy was our last Hope." "No, there is another." was done in pick-ups/reshoots.

It hadn't even been decided at that point yet. It wasn't until work was well under-way on pre-production of ROTJ that they made her the sister, because they couldn't leave the "there is another" hanging without explanation. It was too late to go toward the original intention, which would have been to introduce a new character who had been in "hiding", so Leia was deemed the best choice to wrap that one up.

[jala12]

Originally Posted by KaineKinetic

This is the point though.
According to the movies, the Empire is loved by all, Humans and Non-Humans.

There really isn't a reason for the Rebellion to pop up yet.
Heck, even in Ep3, we don't know if it was the Troopers that killed all the Wookies. They just say that they are all dead.
The Droid Army could have slaughtered them all.

We see them taking the aliens on Utapau prisoner.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by KaineKinetic

They started to rebel before he became Emperor though.

Who did?

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by jala12

We see them taking the aliens on Utapau prisoner.

The Droid Army did, not the Troopers.
The Troopers kept occupation of all planets after the war ended.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by octagon

Who did?

Padme' Bail, Mon Mothma, Fat Twi'lek and someone else...

[jala12]

Originally Posted by KaineKinetic

The Droid Army did, not the Troopers.
The Troopers kept occupation of all planets after the war ended.

I believe they are actually being led away in this scene. This was after the separatists were killed and droids shut down.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Maybe, maybe not.

I'm not sure what maybe, maybe not refers to but just to be clear: in the context of that post, poor choice was in reference to adding KHAAAAAAAAAN to the Jedi BD.

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

The problem is that since we never see Vader's face (except when revealed by Luke), we can never read his true emotional state and whether he thinks Palpatine/Emperor is full of crap or not.

I never thought that was a problem. I had a lot of issues with Jedi but Vader's enigmatic emotional state was never one of them. James Earl Jones (and to a lesser degree David Prowse) did a pretty good job conveying that Vader was at the very least having doubts if not second-thoughts/regrets. There was a very palpable sense of internal conflict while Vader was taking Luke to Palpatine.

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

But I do think the "Humpty Dumpty" we got to see at the end of VI was a big mistake and was never believable.

Yeah, I was never a big fan of that either. It was supposed to be a dramatic reveal and all I could think was 'Mr. Freeze'.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by KaineKinetic

Padme' Bail, Mon Mothma, Fat Twi'lek and someone else...

How did they start to rebel?

What, aiding and abetting a fugitive Yoda?

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by octagon

How did they start to rebel?

What, aiding and abetting a fugitive Yoda?

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Star Wars Episode III - Deleted Scenes - YouTube

[octagon]

Originally Posted by KaineKinetic

Only in the books, we never saw this in the films.

Originally Posted by KaineKinetic

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Books are out, deleted scenes are in?

Seems a little convenient but okay. I still have to wonder what your point is.

That Organa et al started talking about resisting Palpatine a few days (or perhaps even hours) before he sent troops into the Jedi temple?

So what?

[jc480]

Originally Posted by sarah_wentworth

yeah plus Palpatine was legally given power. anywhere else where an organized group tries to overthrow a legally elected government by means of violence, that group is considered to be terrorists. i'm really not sure why the rebels even rebelled.

if its just because Palpatine is a Sith, well then that's just prejudice

Palpatine may have orchestrated a couple wars but its happened here on earth and nothing really happens to the leaders. he became leader because he wanted a strong government that could keep the galaxy safe. he even said something like that.

Finally someone gets it.

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by jc480

Finally someone gets it.

[SymbioticFunction]

Originally Posted by KaineKinetic

According to the movies, the Empire is loved by all, Humans and Non-Humans.

Er...no. Not at all.

[Funcha]

I think I'll just bow out of this debate now. Lol

[SymbioticFunction]

When some people start defending the Galactic Empire, something's gone seriously wrong. Either the movies themselves, or their understanding of them.

[Elvis]

Originally Posted by SymbioticFunction

When some people start defending the Galactic Empire, something's gone seriously wrong. Either the movies themselves, or their understanding of them.

Option 1 is my bet

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by SymbioticFunction

When some people start defending the Galactic Empire, something's gone seriously wrong. Either the movies themselves, or their understanding of them.

It's not nearly that black/white, LOL. It's a film so you can take it that way, but if you really analyze it from a more anthropological level, it's not so straight-forward. It's difficult to talk about this without making real life comparisons, but I'll try. It's funny, but this topic came up quite a bit during Star Wars Galaxies run, when you could choose to be an Imperial. Many of us played as law-abiding Imperials who bought into the propaganda and believed the line that the Empire provided stability, and the Rebels were threatening that - which is probably what most of the "average" Imperial agent felt.

Just because people live under a dictatorship doesn't mean they are automatically miserable and oppressed. We tend to look at it with our own notions of "freedom" and just assume that they must be in some terrible state just for the fact they live under a dictatorship. You've got to remember, the Galactic Senate asked for the dictatorship - of course, they didn't know they were making a Sith the Emperor - but since the greater galaxy didn't have the knowledge we do, it wasn't like all of a sudden it was some crisis because they had a dictator.

In "reality" - there were billions and billions of Galactic citizens on thousands and thousands of worlds - and chances are, most of them were just fine. They paid their taxes to the Empire and kept their noses out of things and just went on about their lives and likely had little interaction with the Empire (use Bespin as an example - no one took any interest in it until it became a Rebel hang-out). Sure, there were exceptions (wouldn't want to be a Wookiee, LOL, or dating Tarkin's sister) - but the average person in the galaxy really didn't likely experience great oppression.

And conversely, a lot of them probably had a worse time AFTER the Rebellion struck than before. Throwing the Galaxy into turmoil, interrupting supply and trade routes, pirates having a free for all - governments who played nice with the Empire and paid their taxes that had their protection from such things would have lost it. While you didn't want to cross the Empire, they did offer a great deal of stability.

Now, of course - yay for Luke and Leia et al doing what they did - but it's like they talk about in Clerks - the guys who were building the Death Star, for instance (who were working on a space station, "a death star" was Tarkin's colloquialism for it, and a fan label) weren't "evil" - they were simply workers working on a government project. The Empire had corruption right through the highest levels - but most folks who were Imperials were simply government workers who were feeding their families and trying to be good citizens.

Of course, as I said at the start - it's a movie, there are good guys and bad guys, that's how we are supposed to view it, and how it viscerally works - but if you really analyze it and get down to it, the Rebels created a ton of instability and overtook a government that was lawful in it's creation, which is why they are the "rebels".

[Thomas Guycott]

Originally Posted by SymbioticFunction

When some people start defending the Galactic Empire, something's gone seriously wrong. Either the movies themselves, or their understanding of them.

Same people who argue that the Decepticons are a noble minority oppressed by fascist Autobots.