Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Define irony:


Someone wants unaltered editions, yet wants an altered soundtrack.


No OT STAR WARS film was 5.1 on release.

Whatever. You don't have to watch movies in 5.1 at all.

[KMFDMvsEnya]

My ideal versions of the OT would be the ultimately best renditions of the pre-97-11 tweaks but with modern restoration techniques that addresses the rough edges that were never intended to be visible to the viewer.

Having the various mixes would be interesting but not mandatory. I wish ESB and ROTJ received as nice a remix as ANH did for the BR release. Great fidelity and dynamic range, whereas the other two still have issues with various sounds suffering from excessive compression/clipping.

I would also welcome the 2011 version with additional improvements that addresses some of the now really dodgy CGI bits, fixed color timing, fix remaining issues-oversights-screwups, and rectify the universally despised changes.

[Show spoiler]1. Han shoots Greedo, the end. No shooting first, Han simply anticipates and responds accordingly to the likely scenario.

2. Remove the Jabba scene in ANH.

3. Reinstitute the full blast shots/squibs.

4. Have a better Obi Wan Krayt Dragon sound effect.
-Likely a few other tidbits for ANH.

5. Original Boba Fett vocals.

6. "Lucky you don't taste very good." line restored.

7. Make all the appropriate Bespin windows actually see through.
-Again likely other tidbits.

8. No on the Vader "NNOOOOoooooooo!"

9. Fix the newly oversized Jabba palace door.

10. Get rid of HC's Force ghost.
-Once more I'm sure I have a few personal dislikes but these are some of my stand outs.

Unlike some folks I have never held the corrosive soul consuming vitriol towards George Lucas for some of his superfluous adjustments to the OT for a myriad reasons.

Mainly life is too short to be so riled up about ultimately inconsequential things. There are far too many positive improvements to the OT to be sacrificed to the altar of insatiable fan outrage.

Finally GL has done far more positive things in general that are never justly factored and balanced in the equation for some excessive extreme purists.

Besides, he continues his long time commitment to furthering education, donating to the tune of over 4 billion dollars. Not a lot of people have done anything similar.

Never mind that he permitted and established the premise of fans being able to create their own stories in various media. Within certain constraints but still he did not pursue the typical unduly excessively protective legal wrangling that studios often exert.

By no means am I arguing that GL is perfect, plenty of evidence that demonstrates some of his weaknesses -PT cough, but aside from some curious indulgences he has created a positive universe to enjoy and play in.

Best regards,
KvE

PS In addition to the excellent Making of Star Wars books by J.W. Rinzler, folks should also read the recent, How Star Wars Conquered the Universe: The Past, Present, and Future of a Multibillion Dollar Franchise by Chris Taylor. All great reads that will help one better understand the "Creator".

PPS To be clear I am in favor of the GOUT to be available in the most pristine rendition possible.

[Lyle_JP]

Originally Posted by Elvis

No amount of editing can fix Clones or Sith. There is only one thing to do at this point....reboot!

As I recall, the IMAX cut of Clones improved it quite a bit.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Riddler95

What I meant was if Disney locates all of the audio elements from 1977, 1980, and 1983 they could restore them to the best quality currently available and put together terrific 5.1 mixes. I'd also like if they include the original theatrical Stereo Mixes for each film. Apparently the Mono Mix for Star Wars (1977) was very different from the Stereo Mix and should be included as well.

5.1 would still be an alteration. Discrete 4.2 (L-C-R-S + baby booms) are the 70MM mixes.

Originally Posted by Falaskan

Whatever. You don't have to watch movies in 5.1 at all.

Oh please. It's just the fact that if you TRULY want "unaltered" no 5.1, period. You can have 4.2 + 2.0, or for the first film add an additional 1.0.

[Lyle_JP]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Define irony:


Someone wants unaltered editions, yet wants an altered soundtrack.


No OT STAR WARS film was 5.1 on release.

True. They were all 4.2. I would gladly take a 4.1 lossless soundtrack faithful to the original 70mm mix. And I would want the Dolby Stereo 2.0 tracks for each film as well, since it was the mix on every pre-THX VHS and laserdisc release. That was the mix I grew up on. And heck, if they want to throw in the specialized mono mix for Star Wars, yeah, I'll take that too. Why not?

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Oh please. It's just the fact that if you TRULY want "unaltered" no 5.1, period. You can have 4.2 + 2.0, or for the first film add an additional 1.0.

You posted this while I was composing mine. Yes, I'll gladly take that!

[octagon]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Oh please. It's just the fact that if you TRULY want "unaltered" no 5.1, period. You can have 4.2 + 2.0, or for the first film add an additional 1.0.

Cool.

Sign me up.

[Thomas Guycott]

Gimme those gorgeous mono and stereo tracks!

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Lyle_JP

True. They were all 4.2. I would gladly take a 4.1 lossless soundtrack faithful to the original 70mm mix. And I would want the Dolby Stereo 2.0 tracks for each film as well, since it was the mix on every pre-THX VHS and laserdisc release. That was the mix I grew up on. And heck, if they want to throw in the specialized mono mix for Star Wars, yeah, I'll take that too. Why not?

For ALIEN and ALIENS Fox offered the original tracks on Blu-ray: the 5.1 remix in DTS-HD MA and the original 4.1 and 2.0 mixes in Dolby Digital. They've been pretty good about that starting on DVD. It's always interesting when they have alternate versions. ENEMY MINE has some different sound effects and music cues in the 4.0 mix vs. the 2.0.


Paramount took a different tack with their STAR TREK films, using the 70MM tracks as the basis for the 7.1 remixes on II-V. STAR TREK II's 35MM had a tight dialogue in the center channel but the 70MM bleeds to all speakers. STAR TREK III is the opposite: the 35MM bleeds everywhere but the 70MM is properly centered. Unfortunately the BDs don't offer both versions.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Riddler95

That was so stupid on Lucas's part. Lawrence Kasdan & George Lucas wrote the script for Return Of The Jedi and it worked perfectly. Leia tells Luke that she does remember her real Mother but just some images & feelings.

Then he solely writes the screenplay for Revenge Of The Sith with Padme dying shortly after Luke & Leia are born. I wonder if he realized that he had messed up on what he and Lawrence Kasdan had written for Return Of The Jedi.

No, because Yoda tells Luke that -- through the Force -- he will see the past and the future and friends long gone. Leia is Force-sensitive, she had visions of her mother. Images. Feelings.

Case closed. Easy-peezy.

[HeavyHitter]

But how can a newborn infant - exposed to her mother for a few minutes at most immediately after birth have any memory of her mother? How her mother was beautiful? That is stretching it - even being force sensitive. I cannot buy into that. It is revisionism and a bit of screw-up IMO.

[stvn1974]

Luke says "real mother" and Leia says "she dies when I young." It infers that Leia knows she is adopted and that her mother died when she was a kid. Not 3 seconds after giving birth to her. If she saw images and had force feelings how would she even know who the woman was? Makes about as much sense as some young guy showing up at the end of Jedi with a smirk on his face.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

Luke says "real mother" and Leia says "she die when I young." It infers that Leia knows she is adopted and that her mother died when she was a kid. Not 3 seconds after giving birth to her. If she saw images and had force feelings how would she even know who the woman was? Makes about as much sense as some young guy showing up at the end of Jedi with a smirk on his face.

WOMP WOMP!

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

But how can a newborn infant - exposed to her mother for a few minutes at most immediately after birth have any memory of her mother? How her mother was beautiful? That is stretching it - even being force sensitive. I cannot buy into that. It is revisionism and a bit of screw-up IMO.

Originally Posted by stvn1974

Luke says "real mother" and Leia says "she dies when I young." It infers that Leia knows she is adopted and that her mother died when she was a kid. Not 3 seconds after giving birth to her. If she saw images and had force feelings how would she even know who the woman was? Makes about as much sense as some young guy showing up at the end of Jedi with a smirk on his face.

Well its easy

[Show spoiler] ITS CALLED BAD STORY TELLING

[stvn1974]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

Well its easy

[Show spoiler] ITS CALLED BAD STORY TELLING

Hater.

[jala12]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

Luke says "real mother" and Leia says "she dies when I young." It infers that Leia knows she is adopted and that her mother died when she was a kid. Not 3 seconds after giving birth to her. If she saw images and had force feelings how would she even know who the woman was? Makes about as much sense as some young guy showing up at the end of Jedi with a smirk on his face.

Her description was pretty vague, so the baby force thing could still work, albeit awkwardly. If she had said her mother died when Leia was a small child then that would be a major screwup. But very young could mean anything.

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by jala12

Her description was pretty vague, so the baby force thing could still work, albeit awkwardly. If she had said her mother died when Leia was a small child then that would be a major screwup. But very young could mean anything.

So before ROTS came out, did you always imagine Padme would die minutes after giving birth? No reason to defend plotholes.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

So before ROTS came out, did you always imagine Padme would die minutes after giving birth? No reason to defend potholes.

How could anyone defend potholes?

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

How could anyone defend potholes?

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

[Show spoiler]

Red leader doesn't say that. Gold Leader does.

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[stvn1974]

Just received an email notification that my Sideshow 1/6 scale R2D2 will ship out on Friday. He comes with the Leia hologram and table and all the arm attachments, Luke's lightsaber and the bar from Jabba's Palace. What he doesn't come with is his rockets that let him fly around like the Millennium Falcon from the prequels.