Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Elvis]

Originally Posted by Vlad Draculi

That's because Anakin died when he was young. Obiwan died an old man.

Luke would not have known who Hayden was at all.....

** waits for the: but he really died when he was young because he crossed to the dark side discussion.

[Himmel]

Anakin is the only one de-aged because Anakin hasn't lived the past 30 or so years - Anakin was more or less killed by Darth Vader. He left behind the parts that made him Anakin Skywalker when he lead the clones into the Temple.

When he was redeemed by Luke, he reclaimed those parts of him. His sense of honor, pride, decency, love, etc were all restored. His mental self-image would likely have returned to the way it had been when he last felt that way - as a young man.

Existing canon clearly shows that Darth Vader and Anakin are essentially different people - the Vader persona distanced himself as much as possible from the Anakin one. When Anakin shows up as a Force Ghost, he shows up as he pictured himself - like the 'Residual Self Image' idea from the Matrix.

[Elvis]

Originally Posted by Terminated

Anakin is the only one de-aged because Anakin hasn't lived the past 30 or so years - Anakin was more or less killed by Darth Vader. He left behind the parts that made him Anakin Skywalker when he lead the clones into the Temple.

When he was redeemed by Luke, he reclaimed those parts of him. His sense of honor, pride, decency, love, etc were all restored. His mental self-image would likely have returned to the way it had been when he last felt that way - as a young man.

Existing canon clearly shows that Darth Vader and Anakin are essentially different people - the Vader persona distanced himself as much as possible from the Anakin one. When Anakin shows up as a Force Ghost, he shows up as he pictured himself - like the 'Residual Self Image' idea from the Matrix.

And Luke would know him from Adam how? Hey theres Yoda, Ben and some crazy ass kid with an evil grin on his face...

just release the originals so we dont have to have them tainted with I can't act Hayden

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Terminated

When he was redeemed by Luke, he reclaimed those parts of him. His sense of honor, pride, decency, love, etc were all restored. His mental self-image would likely have returned to the way it had been when he last felt that way - as a young man.

I wonder why his mental self-image decided to change its clothes

[Falaskan]

About the Reliance 4k restorations, wasn't that already being done for the 3d releases?

[stvn1974]

Nien Nunb was my favorite action figure to play with as a kid.

[GenPion]

Originally Posted by STARKILLER--1138

Disney put a halt on everything, not only the 3D movies, during the buy including games (Star Wars 1313) toys, and high-end collectibles. They also ended The Clone Wars animated series which was at its peak. None of it had to do with TPM 3D or distancing themselve from the PT (which is just a rumor/ conjecture made up by net nerds). Now that they have a hold on what direction they want to go with the property, we know that there are games being worked on (Battlefront 3) toys, high-end collectibles (from the OT, PT, Rebels, and TCW) and there is now a new animated show (Rebels). ROTS will also be shown at Celebration this April along with Menace and Clones. If Disney wanted to distance themselves from the PT, they'd just show the OT whether it is the SE or UOT, or just promote their own Rebels brand. Disney knows there are fans of all kinds (OT, PT, TCW, Rebels) when it comes to Star Wars, and they will not alienate one when there is $$$ to be made.

Except if you read anything about the games scenario most of their current line-up of games were expected to do poorly and recent Star Wars games had poor sales compared to earlier releases, so they hadn't been doing as well for a few years. Also, Clone Wars had a dedicated fanbase but it was also somewhat small for something considered Star Wars canon. Disney did want to develop something animated, as you pointed out, but they were so clearly hoping to draw in a bigger audience. Food for though.

[Lord Method Man]

Yeah it wasn't just the box office failure of TPM 3D and Red Tails that was putting LucasFilm/Arts in a tough spot. They were also staring down the reality that the then-most expensive video game ever The Old Republic was on a collision course with the recycle bin of MMOs.

[kamphausd1]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

About the Reliance 4k restorations, wasn't that already being done for the 3d releases?

I could've sworn I remember reading that the 3d conversions were done at a different time or something?

I really don't remember though. Anybody have any ideas?

[Blu-21]

You can makes lots of arguments for Hayden's inclusion at the end of ROTJ, but at the end of the day it just wasn't needed. Everyone knew 'the old guy' was Anakin including Luke who got to see his father without the mask one final time before he passed away.

[MechaGodzilla]

I never really understood the argument that Hayden Christensen shouldn't be the force ghost because it "doesn't make sense" for Anakin to appear young when he died as a middle aged man. The thing is, you're left with pretty much the same problem regardless of which actor you go with. Why is his body healed (skin, hair and limbs back)? Why is he wearing clothes he never wore? Obviously, however the mechanics behind it work, force ghosts can appear differently than they look at the exact moment of death, so I don't think it matters if he's old or young.

Not talking about everyone who prefers Sebastian Shaw to Christensen, I should add. If you want Shaw because it's what was originally filmed, because you want minimal connection to the prequels or simply because you dislike the way Christensen looks in the footage used for the '04/'11 versions of the special edition, that's fine. If you prefer Christensen because you feel it makes for a stronger connection to the prequels or simply because he's pretty, that's cool. I just don't get how one is more "logical" than the other.

[Lord Method Man]

Literally no one complained about that scene when it was just Sebastian Shaw.

[motorheadache95]

You can argue whether the Hayden ghost "makes sense" back and forth all you want-- that's not really the issue. I've read people's take on how the "force ghost thing works" and both arguments makes sense. That's not the problem. Here's the problem(s):

1) If Lucas really wanted Anakin to appear at his younger age before he turned, he would have used a younger actor for the final scene and not Sebastian Shaw. It seemed pretty clear to me that the original intention was to have a fatherly figure for Luke to witness, who was CLEARLY the same man we see when Luke unmasks him. So adding Hayden was clearly just revisionism and part of Lucas' idea that original trilogy should be modified to fit the prequels and not vice-versa.

2) It was done in a really crappy half-assed way. Hayden didn't even shoot a bit for it, Lucas just used whatever footage he had and Anakin just has an awkward, kinda creeper look going on. Way worse than the warm, grateful smile Sebastian Shaw's take has.

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by motorheadache95

You can argue whether the Hayden ghost "makes sense" back and forth all you want-- that's not really the issue. I've read people's take on how the "force ghost thing works" and both arguments makes sense. That's not the problem.

Any skilled debater can argue about anything until they're blue in the face, doesn't mean anything tho. The main argument used for a young Anakin force ghost never entered anyone's mind until Lucasfilm issued the lame excuse.

[motorheadache95]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

Any skilled debater can argue about anything until they're blue in the face, doesn't mean anything tho. The main argument used for a young Anakin force ghost never entered anyone's mind until Lucasfilm issued the lame excuse.

Well yeah, like I said, changing it around so younger Anakin shows up was just a revisionist idea that Lucas had because he wanted to throw prequel stuff into the originals, with the intention that you should watch the films in numerical order. In that way you could argue that including Hayden brings the story around full-circle or whatever. Clearly that was not at all the original intention of the ending of Return of the Jedi though.

I actually think Lucas, with his "Complete Saga," wanted people to ignore/forget when the films were released, and wanted (especially future generations) to see the movies as just a single unified story. That's probably why he had no qualms about going in and making alterations to the original films-- because he was treating them as if they were works in progress to be released and seen AFTER the prequel trilogy.

That's also why I believe he started with Episode I for the 3D releases-- it doesn't matter if Episode IV is the more "iconic" film and was the original. In his mind, Episode I is simply the first film in his series, so naturally it would get released first.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by GenPion

Except if you read anything about the games scenario most of their current line-up of games were expected to do poorly and recent Star Wars games had poor sales compared to earlier releases, so they hadn't been doing as well for a few years. Also, Clone Wars had a dedicated fanbase but it was also somewhat small for something considered Star Wars canon. Disney did want to develop something animated, as you pointed out, but they were so clearly hoping to draw in a bigger audience. Food for though.

LucasArts was absolutely hemorraging money, they were being eyed for the chopping block months before the Disney acquisition. When Kennedy took over, she pulled the plug on anything that didn't promote the new films, and for LucasArts, the writing was on the wall. For several weeks, LucasArts employees were getting paid to just show up and read the newspaper and surf the net.

[moviecriticsonline]

‘Star Wars: The Force Awakens’ May Get An Early Release Date

http://beverlynews.blogspot.com/2015...arly.html#more

[Elvis]

Originally Posted by moviecriticsonline

‘Star Wars: The Force Awakens’ May Get An Early Release Date

http://beverlynews.blogspot.com/2015...arly.html#more

As long as it does not interfere with the release of the Original Unaltered Trilogy on BD then I dont care.

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

LucasArts was absolutely hemorraging money, they were being eyed for the chopping block months before the Disney acquisition. When Kennedy took over, she pulled the plug on anything that didn't promote the new films, and for LucasArts, the writing was on the wall. For several weeks, LucasArts employees were getting paid to just show up and read the newspaper and surf the net.

Not only that, but Lucasfilm itself wasn't doing all that great. Disney didn't pay 4.1B for Lucasfilm the business, it paid 4.1B for it's creative assets. The company was simply too large to sustain itself much longer without big Star Wars money coming in. George was very rich but the company itself was not. They basically had to get back into the Star Wars business, so he sold it to someone who would do that and keep everyone employed.

Of course, you are correct about Lucasarts but I don't think it can be blamed so much on "not promoting the new movies" but the fact that Lucasarts had been quite bloated for what it was able to actually produce, and the best received Star Wars games in recent history have been from third parties (or largely outsourced). The only reason Lucasarts survived as long as it did was because George liked having an in-house game studio, if it had been a public company it probably would have been dissolved long ago.

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by moviecriticsonline

‘Star Wars: The Force Awakens’ May Get An Early Release Date

http://beverlynews.blogspot.com/2015...arly.html#more

It's impossible on so many levels, but most simply because none of the merchandise is ready. Especially because of the shipping port crisis, there is no way to speed up all that manufacturing by six months.

Then again, I will never say never again when it comes to Star Wars after the events of the last few years (just Episode VII's existence still feels like a strange weird dream) - Disney certainly benefited in the end from the lack of Frozen merchandise, because demand was so built up they had the next Christmas handed to them. But while Disney seems to be pretty liberal with creative choices when it comes to Star Wars and Marvel, I just can't see the merchandise size of the beast just rolling over, even if by some miraculous circumstances the film would actually be ready that early.

So while I won't say "never", I will say I'll be shocked to all heck if it was even considered just due to the logistics of moving the Goliath of a movie release plan at this point.