Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[klauswhereareyou]

Originally Posted by JeffTheMovieGuy

That seemed like all that Lucas surrounded himself with were yes men it would have been amazing if some no men got involved and saved the prequel series.

I would guess if there were any "no" men, they didn't last long there during the prequel time period. The only guy that seemed to have any sway was Ben Burtt that helped mutilate one of the few excellent things about those films, John Williams score. Many times the score was either down mixed or looped to hell and back.

[filmmusic]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

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Sorry, I imagined Terrence Malick making a movie about trade negotiations and fell asleep on my keyboard.

I'm glad that I can enjoy both a Mallick film and a Star Wars film.
I understand that many people aren't versatile enough in their movie tastes.
They're either on one side or the other!

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by klauswhereareyou

I would guess if there were any "no" men, they didn't last long there during the prequel time period. The only guy that seemed to have any sway was Ben Burtt that helped mutilate one of the few excellent things about those films, John Williams score. Many times the score was either down mixed or looped to hell and back.

Exactly, the people that had enough clout to stand up to George were in it for their own ends anyway, like Burtt and his bloody sound effects. Apart from Ewan's beard, it's the treatment of Williams' music which is what annoys me most about Clones. And there's a specific cue recorded for Phantom Menace which is tracked in (not re-recorded) another three or four times throughout the rest of the prequels which smacks of laziness to me, and we got the same title fanfare every time too. Hopefully we'll get a newly recorded one for Ep VII.

[blonde_devil]

Originally Posted by filmmusic

You can say that again!!!!

Glad someone agrees with me, it is a rare occurance But it is very true. We live in an age where we are supposed to be more tolerant yet Melissa McCarthy is a genius for playing the fat girl role that even a decade ago wouldn't have been acceptable. We are taking a big step back.

Lucas did have "no" men on the prequels - he just fired them all! I do remember hearing of one person at ILM questioning a decision and giving his idea and apparently everyone in the room was flabergasted that he would dare question a desision Lucas made. Apparently he was either removed from the movie or let go all together. That is one of the problems with success - people stop questioning you as you are a creative genius. And when you don't need the studio to make the movie, who is going to question the boss? It explains why so many those new hot filmmakers from the late 70's suddenly had slumping careers - the studio stopped interfering because these guys made movies that made money but without that interferance, they were allowed to do whatever they wanted even if it didn't work. Spielberg is a rare exception. The prequels were never going to top the original films - you already knew the ending - but they could have been a very entertaining set of films that helped expand the Star Wars universe. Instead we got Jar-Jar.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by blonde_devil

Glad someone agrees with me, it is a rare occurance But it is very true. We live in an age where we are supposed to be more tolerant yet Melissa McCarthy is a genius for playing the fat girl role that even a decade ago wouldn't have been acceptable. We are taking a big step back.

Lucas did have "no" men on the prequels - he just fired them all! I do remember hearing of one person at ILM questioning a decision and giving his idea and apparently everyone in the room was flabergasted that he would dare question a desision Lucas made. Apparently he was either removed from the movie or let go all together. That is one of the problems with success - people stop questioning you as you are a creative genius. And when you don't need the studio to make the movie, who is going to question the boss? It explains why so many those new hot filmmakers from the late 70's suddenly had slumping careers - the studio stopped interfering because these guys made movies that made money but without that interferance, they were allowed to do whatever they wanted even if it didn't work. Spielberg is a rare exception. The prequels were never going to top the original films - you already knew the ending - but they could have been a very entertaining set of films that helped expand the Star Wars universe. Instead we got Jar-Jar.

Yet there are just as many movies that suck BECAUSE OF Studio Interference!

[solaris72]

Originally Posted by filmmusic

I'm glad that I can enjoy both a Mallick film and a Star Wars film.
I understand that many people aren't versatile enough in their movie tastes.
They're either on one side or the other!

Now that they're doing the standalone "Star Wars Anthology Series" films maybe they can court Malick to do an entry.

[klauswhereareyou]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Exactly, the people that had enough clout to stand up to George were in it for their own ends anyway, like Burtt and his bloody sound effects. Apart from Ewan's beard, it's the treatment of Williams' music which is what annoys me most about Clones. And there's a specific cue recorded for Phantom Menace which is tracked in (not re-recorded) another three or four times throughout the rest of the prequels which smacks of laziness to me, and we got the same title fanfare every time too. Hopefully we'll get a newly recorded one for Ep VII.

The tracking/recycling of music going on in the prequels is almost 70's Hong Kong cinema level inept. I know what you're talking about, is it that music from Phantom Menace that plays when they are escaping Naboo, I can recall it's tracked quite a bit into AOTC and in at least one scene in ROTS.

[klauswhereareyou]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

Yet there are just as many movies that suck BECAUSE OF Studio Interference!

That is true but there are definitely some films where the studio mandated cut is much better than what the director had in mind (Mallrats!!!!!!!!!!!!).

[klauswhereareyou]

The funny thing is that I think originally Lucas didn't even want to direct the prequels, but peer pressure from Spielberg and Coppola made him change his mind.

[HomerThompson]

Originally Posted by klauswhereareyou

but peer pressure from Spielberg and Coppola made him change his mind.

That doesn't even make sense.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by JeffTheMovieGuy

That seemed like all that Lucas surrounded himself with were yes men it would have been amazing if some no men got involved and saved the prequel series.

They did. He fired them.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by klauswhereareyou

The funny thing is that I think originally Lucas didn't even want to direct the prequels, but peer pressure from Spielberg and Coppola made him change his mind.

No, it was a condition of Pepsi Co financing them.

[klauswhereareyou]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

No, it was a condition of Pepsi Co financing them.

Hmm, well I remember at the time Lucas said he wanted Ron Howard or Spielberg to direct it but they declined and both suggested he just do it himself because who better than Lucas to direct his vision. Also Coppola apparently also suggested this to Lucas to get him back into the directing game. I guess it's not like Lucas hasn't told a tall tale before!

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by filmmusic

I'm glad that I can enjoy both a Mallick film and a Star Wars film.
I understand that many people aren't versatile enough in their movie tastes.
They're either on one side or the other!

Originally Posted by klauswhereareyou

I would guess if there were any "no" men, they didn't last long there during the prequel time period. The only guy that seemed to have any sway was Ben Burtt that helped mutilate one of the few excellent things about those films, John Williams score. Many times the score was either down mixed or looped to hell and back.

Let me ask you this: If you had put all your money and resources into building an empire that enabled you to make the movies YOU had always wanted to make, without any interference from anyone, would you then go and hire people who tell you: No, that's not right. Do it this way!?????

Doesn't make sense, does it?

Well, if you know anything about George Lucas, then you would know that he hated studio interference, and I think it's safe to say that he had earned it to make the movies HE wanted to make.

His movies were independant films. He could do whatever he wanted, and that's good.

Originally Posted by solaris72

Now that they're doing the standalone "Star Wars Anthology Series" films maybe they can court Malick to do an entry.

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It ain't gonna happen though.

[Xenonas]

Originally Posted by blonde_devil

It explains why so many those new hot filmmakers from the late 70's suddenly had slumping careers - the studio stopped interfering because these guys made movies that made money but without that interferance, they were allowed to do whatever they wanted even if it didn't work. Spielberg is a rare exception

Well there's War of the Worlds and Kingdom of the Crystall Skull...

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Let me ask you this: If you had put all your money and resources into building an empire that enabled you to make the movies YOU had always wanted to make, without any interference from anyone, would you then go and hire people who tell you: No, that's not right. Do it this way!?????

the same reason successful business owners surround themselves with men/women who are intelligent and think for themselves as their management. one of the most dangerous and easy paths to follow is the old "I know best" path where ones own pride and self delusion gets in the way. there's nothing wrong with having an idea and being the boss but you ALWAYS want a counterbalance that is there to tell you when you're going over the deep end because you can't see the cliff coming up. Everyone needs that counterbalance, it's when you start getting rid of anyone that disagrees with you that you start getting into delusions of grandeur and the like. it's psychology/business 101

[Maggot]

The last you want is a bunch of enablers, which seems to be the case with Lucas over the years.

[Gold Ranger]

How about Ewe Boll for one of the Anthology films?

[kamphausd1]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Let me ask you this: If you had put all your money and resources into building an empire that enabled you to make the movies YOU had always wanted to make, without any interference from anyone, would you then go and hire people who tell you: No, that's not right. Do it this way!?????

Doesn't make sense, does it?

Well, if you know anything about George Lucas, then you would know that he hated studio interference, and I think it's safe to say that he had earned it to make the movies HE wanted to make.

His movies were independant films. He could do whatever he wanted, and that's good.



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It ain't gonna happen though.

I thought you said you wouldn't bore us with your thoughts anymore.

[Angel Eyes]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Let me ask you this: If you had put all your money and resources into building an empire that enabled you to make the movies YOU had always wanted to make, without any interference from anyone, would you then go and hire people who tell you: No, that's not right. Do it this way!?????

Doesn't make sense, does it?

Well, if you know anything about George Lucas, then you would know that he hated studio interference, and I think it's safe to say that he had earned it to make the movies HE wanted to make.

His movies were independant films. He could do whatever he wanted, and that's good.



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It ain't gonna happen though.

The problem is that the movies he always wanted to make were nowhere near as good as the original films he made with others. That's why I say teamwork with several great minds was so much better. If George would have had more creative input from others on the PT I think it would have turned out much better. Just my own thought on the matter.