Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Lyle_JP

I always thought it meant "rolling noise bars". That's what laserdisc taught me. (And seriously, unless my name was Tomlinson Holman, I wouldn't be calling myself THX and getting on folks for not knowing what it means.)

Nor do I get on people for not knowing what it means so, again, what are you talking about?

[motorheadache95]

Originally Posted by Lyle_JP

I always thought it meant "rolling noise bars". That's what laserdisc taught me. (And seriously, unless my name was Tomlinson Holman, I wouldn't be calling myself THX and getting on folks for not knowing what it means.)

TURN IT UP! TURN IT UPPPPP!!!!

[Jumpman]

So, we're bring real world logic to a series that's pure fantasy and especially to a love story between Anakin and Padme that's straight up fairy tale when it comes to Padme's death?

Okay....

While "losing the will to live" while delivering the twins isn't the most elegant way to handled it (especially when the delivery droid says it...which was a mistake), considering how the Republic fell and her hand in it, personally and politically, couple that with the Force choke, I don't really see an issue with her death.

The combination of a lot of things in a short spans and the realization of things for her and the fact that Anakin really put it to her in the end, I buy it.

I buy a lot of things in the Prequels because the heighten theatrical nature of the three films was Lucas' intent from the get go...not to mimic the tone of the Original films.

But, whatever. Real Star Wars fans get the films they want know....without Lucas' involvement.

[georgemc98]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I just pretend Padme dies from complications of the force-choke and hum "la-la-la" when the droid says otherwise.

This is exactly what I do. Lucas didn't have to add the corny "died of a broken heart" line in there

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by georgemc98

This is exactly what I do. Lucas didn't have to add the corny "died of a broken heart" line in there

Yeah, that was ridiculous.

[seannyd]

It's also possible that that robot was completely incompetent and made up that story to cover his own ass. Don't want to get decommissioned because you botched the delivery of an incredibly important senator. "So, uh, yeah. No idea what went wrong here. She must not want to be alive anymore. No, of course I didn't cut one of her arteries. She lost the will to live. Deal with it, guys."

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by seannyd

It's also possible that that robot was completely incompetent and made up that story to cover his own ass. Don't want to get decommissioned because you botched the delivery of an incredibly important senator. "So, uh, yeah. No idea what went wrong here. She must not want to be alive anymore. No, of course I didn't cut one of her arteries. She lost the will to live. Deal with it, guys."

The sooner we admit that medical malpractice by droids is a real problem, the sooner people stop losing the will to live.

[Panama Jack]

I like the theory that the Emperor was channeling the life from Padme into Vader to save him. The droid didn't understand the Force, much less the Dark Side of the Force, so it simply described what was happening in the best way its feeble circuited mind could.

[MacEachaidh]

Originally Posted by georgemc98

This is exactly what I do. Lucas didn't have to add the corny "died of a broken heart" line in there

Especially when it makes nonsense of Leia's memories of her mother in the OT.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by WhySoBlu?

He's redeemed in Jedi - hence the force ghost scene at the end. Did you miss that?

He wasn't redeemed to me. That never made sense to me that he could be redeemed just because he found "that there was still some good in me" and because he saved Luke.

Could Hitler have been "redeemed" if he had saved one Jew and said, "oh, there is some good in me"?

In fact, I had always wanted a sequel where the populace discovers that Luke is Vader's son and he's accused of treason, etc.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I just pretend Padme dies from complications of the force-choke and hum "la-la-la" when the droid says otherwise.

Originally Posted by MacEachaidh

Especially when it makes nonsense of Leia's memories of her mother in the OT.

The memories of her mother issue is a major flaw completely separate from the issue of how Padme dies. She could have been hit by a bomb and Leia's memories still wouldn't have made sense.

As I've written before, Padme's death also makes Vader's allegiance to Palpatine after her death non-sensical.

It would have made far more logical sense if Padme had lived. This would have rationalized the Vader/Palpatine relationship as well as Leia's memory. I always thought this was extremely sloppy story-telling. I just don't understand what Lucas was thinking.

But in the story as told, I didn't have any problem with the "she lost the will to live" because I didn't take that literally. I always assumed it was a combination of her world falling apart and the effects of the Force choke.

And for the record, the maternal death rate in the U.S. is 18.5 per 100,000 live births, which is considered quite high. Considering Padme was carrying twins, was living a stressful life, was just the recipient of a Force choke and was not being treated in a well-equipped hospital setting (unless one believes the robot was enough), it's actually quite believable that she died. She could have died just by going into shock. Those who think this is not believable really don't know anything about childbirth. The only rationale for thinking otherwise is that in a world where body part replacement seems easy, an argument could be made that maternal death was a seldom occurring experience.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

The memories of her mother issue is a major flaw completely separate from the issue of how Padme dies. She could have been hit by a bomb and Leia's memories still wouldn't have made sense.

As I've written before, Padme's death also makes Vader's allegiance to Palpatine after her death non-sensical.

It would have made far more logical sense if Padme had lived. This would have rationalized the Vader/Palpatine relationship as well as Leia's memory. I always thought this was extremely sloppy story-telling. I just don't understand what Lucas was thinking.

But in the story as told, I didn't have any problem with the "she lost the will to live" because I didn't take that literally. I always assumed it was a combination of her world falling apart and the effects of the Force choke.

And for the record, the maternal death rate in the U.S. is 18.5 per 100,000 live births, which is considered quite high. Considering Padme was carrying twins, was living a stressful life, was just the recipient of a Force choke and was not being treated in a well-equipped hospital setting (unless one believes the robot was enough), it's actually quite believable that she died. She could have died just by going into shock. Those who think this is not believable really don't know anything about childbirth. The only rationale for thinking otherwise is that in a world where body part replacement seems easy, an argument could be made that maternal death was a seldom occurring experience.

It's logical for one to think with the type of high technology they had it would have existed in medicine too preventing her death despite the stresses she was going through - even if she was not being treated in an ideal medical setting - if such a setting was even needed anymore (this wasn't on Earth in 2015). Hell, robots did a decent job saving Anakin who was severely burned and just had his upper body. They had him suited up and walking in no time.

[MacEachaidh]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

The memories of her mother issue is a major flaw completely separate from the issue of how Padme dies. She could have been hit by a bomb and Leia's memories still wouldn't have made sense.

No, not completely separate. It's only a flaw because Lucas decided Padme should die more-or-less in childbirth. The flaw is that Leia can't have developed any memories of her mother to remember later (the jury-rigged idea of her knowing her "through the Force" notwithstanding). I know Lucas was rushing to close the movie, but if he'd let her live and die later, than the problem wouldn't exist.

[Ernest Rister]

Leia's memories of her mother are easily explained.

YODA
Through the Force, things you will see. Other places. The future... the past. Old friends long gone.

As a child, Leia had visions of her mother through the Force, she confuses these with actual memories. Easy peasy.

[iamsometal]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Leia's memories of her mother are easily explained.

YODA
Through the Force, things you will see. Other places. The future... the past. Old friends long gone.

As a child, Leia had visions of her mother through the Force, she confuses these with actual memories. Easy peasy.

Lemon squeezee.

That actually makes a crap-ton of sense. Well done!

[dcowboy7]

Originally Posted by Panama Jack

I like the theory that the Emperor was channeling the life from Padme into Vader to save him.

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

As a child, Leia had visions of her mother through the Force, she confuses these with actual memories. Easy peasy.

Ok ill buy that.

[Geoff D]

Shame Luke never had any of the same visions...

[iamsometal]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Yeah, that was ridiculous.

Had that line and Vader's frankenstein moment with the "NOOOO!!!!" been cut, I may have looked upon Ep III more fondly. Well that and every time Hayden Christensen opens his mouth.

[stvn1974]

Having to rationalize story telling = bad story telling.

[Ernest Rister]

Leia even says she just has images and feelings, not real memories.

Anyway, I'm thinking that's her natural ability in The Force Awakens, a kind of seer, not a warrior, and it's an ability she's had since she was a child but didn't know what it was. Leia was tapping into it at the very end of Jedi, no way she stopped.