Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Beast]

Originally Posted by anomynous

Ok, now I can't tell if you're trolling or not. Especially with the Anakin part.

No. Sebastian Shaw's Anakin has always had a nickname in fandom of "Humpty Dumpty".

Plus him appearing in that form never made any sense. The altered version works much better.

It fits the mythology of the films better. And as Yoda said, "Luminous Beings are we, not this crude matter".

Anakin doesn't appear bald, scarred, and missing limbs. Obi-Wan isn't cut in half. So why would Anakin choose to appear as a man he doesn't recognize. Plus it fits Obi-Wan's "point of view" that Anakin did die when he became Darth Vader. He was nothing more than a walking corpse kept alive by machines. Hence why when fireed of the shell he was trapped in, he manifested in the force as the man he once was. Makes perfect sense. If the force ghost isn't restricted by what the shape the body was in life, why would Anakin be constrained by the crude matter of his corpse.

[pmac]

Originally Posted by anomynous

Ok, now I can't tell if you're trolling or not. Especially with the Anakin part.

Don't talk about Beast that way here, he's a celebrity here now

[anomynous]

Well I should say you have a point. But if it's the OT alone, Shaw works better IMO

[Grim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Beast

The only real flaw of Episode I is Darth Maul. He just was a pretty mediocre character.

I thought the fandom for Boba Fett was ridiculous, but damn.... Maul's fandom is crazy.

He just doesn't really seem to fit the mold of Sith Lord. After seeing Vader and Palpatine.

He's nothing more than a rabid bulldog, there's no elegence of evil there. Not like Vader, Palpy, or Dooku.

ide take Darth Maul over Jar Jar anyday...

[WorkShed]

Originally Posted by anomynous

You and I have very different opinions. Darth Maul is one of the only highlights of Phantom Menace IMO.

Also that you think the PT is better than the OT.

Agreed. Phantom Menace is boring. Obi-Wan doesn't do anything. Qui-Gon makes terrible decisions. The jedi are either super-powered or not powered at all depending on the scene. And Kenobi defeats Maul using the same move that apparently was so easy to take down Anakin in Sith. Whaaaaa?

I'm done arguing. I'm not a huge OT only guy. I just realize that there are problems with the PT. Having Anakin be the center of the universe was a big mistake. He's not Jesus. He's a dude who made some bad decisions and ended up sacrificing all of his morals for power.

That's Anakin Skywalker as told by Obi-Wan Kenobi in IV. That's the Anakin Skywalker I wanted to see in I-III. Now that scene in IV just comes across as truly false. Why would Anakin be a good friend if the last time you saw him he choked his wife and screamed "I HATE YOU!" while taking a lava bath. I would have PTSD if anyone asked me to talk about Anakin. I'd be on more drugs than the Homeless Man with the Golden Voice.

I also realize that there's bad dialogue in the OT. Luke gets irritating in the early section of IV and a bit too authoritative around the rebels when he's supposed to be the new guy. The attack on Endor is a big mess and I don't believe that the Teddy Bear Vietcong could so easily take down a single AT-ST let alone several. Especially if this is supposed to be the same army that decimated the Jedi.

So, in summary. The series has some big faults. It's still fun to watch, so let's enjoy September 2011.

Also, Beast, you really don't need to be jumping down the throats of everybody that calmly says they would like the OOT in HD. It's very rude. Just keep those comments to yourself. We all get the idea that any edit other than the most recent one is "that which we don't speak of."

[Jumpman]

No. Sebastian Shaw's Anakin has always had a nickname in fandom of "Humpty Dumpty".

Plus him appearing in that form never made any sense. The altered version works much better.

It fits the mythology of the films better. And as Yoda said, "Luminous Beings are we, not this crude matter".

Anakin doesn't appear bald, scarred, and missing limbs. Obi-Wan isn't cut in half. So why would Anakin choose to appear as a man he doesn't recognize. Plus it fits Obi-Wan's "point of view" that Anakin did die when he became Darth Vader. He was nothing more than a walking corpse kept alive by machines. Hence why when fireed of the shell he was trapped in, he manifested in the force as the man he once was. Makes perfect sense.

Are we sharing the same brain?

[Jumpman]

WorkShed,

They are shown as good friends in spots of Episode II and the first half of Episode III. We can tell that they are...

[popeflick]

Originally Posted by Beast

Episode I is no more "Total Crap" than Episode IV is.

It's called a set-up movie. It sets up the Universe, the characters, and the situations.

It was done that way so that they could hit the ground running for E2 and E3. Without having to slow things down to explain how things work. Plus it's probably the best of the Prequel trilogy. Since it really gives us a look at the Universe and how things operate.

Except it setup the wrong universe: midichlorians anyone?

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

Are we sharing the same brain?

Yes. We're starring in the upcoming remake of All Of Me.

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by popeflick

Except it setup the wrong universe: midichlorians anyone?

Indeed, completely destroyed what makes the force special. Then again they continued to do that through out the other newer movies, having hundreds of Jedi that all got their asses kicked.

[Uxi]

Say what? Midichlorians was just a fancy way of saying the "Force is strong in your family..." Correlation is not causation.

[WorkShed]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

WorkShed,

They are shown as good friends in spots of Episode II and the first half of Episode III. We can tell that they are...

I am done with arguing, so I am asking an actual question since you bring up the first part of III... what the hell is a ray shield? I was always confused by that moment in III where they get trapped. It only showed up in that one scene and nowhere else in the entire series.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by popeflick

Except it setup the wrong universe: midichlorians anyone?

You should read the rather interesting thesis out there on them.

But people seem to be confused and think they are the force. Which seems to be what causes the issues.

It explains how the force can be strong in Anakin's family for instance. Among other things.

Plus it is a metaphor for the symbiotic relatationships present in the film. Such as with the Naboo and Gungans.

[Fenny]

Originally Posted by anomynous

Ok, now I can't tell if you're trolling or not. Especially with the Anakin part.

I don't think he's trolling, I think he's just giving his opinion. I for one think the change of Boba Fett's voice in the OT was pretty cool. Others feel differently.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by WorkShed

I am done with arguing, so I am asking an actual question since you bring up the first part of III... what the hell is a ray shield? I was always confused by that moment in III where they get trapped. It only showed up in that one scene and nowhere else in the entire series.

To Wookieeepedia!

A ray shield, a type of deflector shield, is a protective force field. There are two basic types of energy shields: Ray shields, which absorb radiation and blaster bolts and some are traps that can stop some things from going through it, and particle shields, which repulse solid objects. Although ray shields can be used to defend planetary bases, they are more commonly associated with protecting starships from Stellar radiation, micrometeorites, and enemy fire.

The Gungans in the Battle of Grassy Plains used energy shields for personal defense against the Trade Federation.

In 19 BBY, Anakin Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, and the recently-rescued Palpatine were captured by General Grievous in Hallway 328 of the Invisible Hand through the use of a ray shield to trap them in the middle of the hallway.

Many starships contained ray shields as a defense against laser weapons. They absorbed lasers like a sponge, and sometimes they even managed to deflect some. When the shield had taken too many hits the shields simply burned out, and needed to be re-charged.

The Death Star's thermal exhaust port was protected by a ray shield; however, Alliance proton torpedoes could penetrate it, and it was pivotal in the destruction of the battle station.

Ray shields vary in size according to the target they are protecting. Large capital ships such as an Imperial Star Destroyer had multiple arrays and some wealthy systems even had planetary shields. Well known Jedi Kyle Katarn used a personal shield to protect him during most of his battles. Han Solo and Chewbacca also used personal ray shields as gladiators in the Big Game.

Also don't you remember A New Hope? Re: The Exhaust Port - Gen. Jan Dodonna: "The shaft is ray shielded, so you'll have to use Proton Torpedos."

[GORT]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

Hahahaha, please.

Harrison Ford can hardly be expected to compete with the titan of acting that is Hayden Christensen.

Q: What's the difference between Hayden Christensen and Laurence Olivier?

A: NONE WHATSOEVER.

Hahaha I guess you have never seen ROTJ harrison ford phoned it in because he really did not want to do the movie thats why he was frozen in carbonite in Empire.

[Uxi]

Does some freak kid on an insignificant dirtball on the ass end of the Galaxy have more midichlorians than Yoda because he's strong in the Force (no chance little kid Annie could take Yoda, or even padawan Obi-wan in a lightsaber fight in Ep1 )... or does he have a bunch of midichlorians because the force is strong in his family? Obi-wan didn't know what that meant and openly asked. Qui-gon didn't know, either, but conjectured about the Chosen One business... which neither Yoda nor Mace believed one bit.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Beast

To Wookieeepedia!

"The Death Star's thermal exhaust port was protected by a ray shield; however, Alliance proton torpedoes could penetrate it, and it was pivotal in the destruction of the battle station"

That part has got to be wrong. The torpedo didn't penetrate the shield... the Rebels flew under the shield and the torpedo clearly turns the corner. No shield would mean they would just flaw perpendicular to the exhaust port and fire straight in.

[neos_peace]

ok there are WWAAAAYYYY to many pages to go through. I know its been asked I'm just not searching for it. The original trilogy, are they going to be the original set, or the version's wihtt he added scenes and such or both. personally If I had a choice I'd take the extened version of the original trilogy.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by neos_peace

ok there are WWAAAAYYYY to many pages to go through. I know its been asked I'm just not searching for it. The original trilogy, are they going to be the original set, or the version's wihtt he added scenes and such or both. personally If I had a choice I'd take the extened version of the original trilogy.

It will at least be the 2004 versions. Whether or not there will be more changes, we don't know yet.