Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[octagon]

"The magazine for Science Fiction fans with a life but who still have time to come up with fifty reasons they hate Return of the Jedi"

And don't get me wrong, I walked out the theater hating Jedi.

But that's just too funny.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by Alan_Grant

Yep. I'll never forget looking for the PT DVD's at Moviestop last year (lol), and some fat nerd behind me says "Why? Those suck. Be a real Star Wars fan." To which I promptly turned around and told him to shut his fat face before I do it for him, which not only caused a scared reaction, but a good chuckle out of the employee. If someone doesn't like em, that's fine. Hate them all you want. I absolutely loathed TFA with every fiber of my being. But I will not tell anyone they are wrong for enjoying it.

Oh, and I also hate it when OT-Purists always feel the need to link the RLM videos. Anyone can take a scene, analyze it out of context, and make anything look bad.

That's pretty funny. So he thinks a "real fan" would buy the special editions of the original trilogy instead?

[imsounoriginal]

On a random note, was at the mall earlier and noticed that Hot Topic has BOGO $1 on their Star Wars Halloween stuff, and all of it is 50% off, too. I've got a Halloween party this weekend so I ended up getting a Kylo Ren mask and lightsaber for $8.96 out the door lol

Just FYI if anyone's got an HT in their area and a kid (or themselves) who wants to be Vader or Kylo on Monday

[Alan_Grant]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

That's pretty funny. So he thinks a "real fan" would buy the special editions of the original trilogy instead?

I consider it this way. Did you enjoy one of the movies? Have you paid hard earned money on the merchandise? If you answer yes, you're a fan. Hell, I have a friend who hates every single one of the movies, but loves himself some BB-8 lol.

[Arawn]

Originally Posted by Vandal Savage

From late 1996:

They hate Max Rebo? **** THEM!

[Mighty Max]

Originally Posted by Arawn

They hate Max Rebo? **** THEM!

Seriously!
Max Rebo is great
As is Salacious Crumb

Any mag that insults the fan base, and right on the cover is one that doesn't understand the fan base.

And where are they now anyway. Gone!
That's where. That was probably their last issue

I stopped reading Wizard because of them constantly insulting fans of a certain comic character.

[Amano]

Max Rebo alone was better than ANYTHING George Lucas came up with in the Prequels.

[balthazar_bee]

Originally Posted by infiniteCR

People hate Temple of Doom and Lethal Weapon 2??

I've never heard anything but good things about Lethal Weapon 2, particularly in the context of a series that subsequently became the very definition of "the gang's all here" form of diminishing returns.

But if anything, I'd say Temple of Doom's reputation has been holding steady at "pretty damn solid but not Raiders" for the last couple of decades.

Granted, when it first came out it was largely reviled, but there too, subsequent sequels have helped us to appreciate its strengths. I mean, the next two films were trying so hard to be Raiders, they put Temple's OTT kinetic energy and willingness to be dark and different in a more favourable context.

I didn't care for it myself when I saw it theatrically. But I was 4, and totally pining for Raiders Redux. Seeing it on video ten years later was a completely different experience.

[Petey Parker]

To be fair, 1996 is pre-Special Editions or Prequels. At the time it's not hard to see why Return of the Jedi would be considered the "worst" Star Wars when the only other comparison is the theatrical New Hope and ESB. The dark times had not yet arrived.

[Mighty Max]

Originally Posted by Petey Parker

To be fair, 1996 is pre-Special Editions or Prequels. At the time it's not hard to see why Return of the Jedi would be considered the "worst" Star Wars when the only other comparison is the theatrical New Hope and ESB. The dark times had not yet arrived.

And they wouldn't. Not for about 35 years...

[Arawn]

So what happens in 2031, o far-seeing one?

[Mighty Max]

Originally Posted by Arawn

So what happens in 2031, o far-seeing one?

I was referring to the force awakens...

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by Mighty Max

I was referring to the force awakens...

Even in its worst moments, TFA is better and has more heart than the best moments of the prequels

[Mighty Max]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

Even in its worst moments, TFA is better and has more heart than the best moments of the prequels

I get you feel that way, I however do not.
It just seemed like an emotionless, vapid, empty movie that tried too hard to appease a whiny few (Not calling you whiny) instead of being a true continuation of the saga.

[Indiana Jonezzz...]

Originally Posted by Mighty Max

I get you feel that way, I however do not.
It just seemed like an emotionless, vapid, empty movie that tried too hard to appease a whiny few (Not calling you whiny) instead of being a true continuation of the saga.

I pretty much agree with you exactly, although I did think TFA had at least a few scenes of emotion. But as the story is so vague setting up what has actually happened since Jedi, along with Rey's mysterious backstory etc, the emotion it did have that wasn't based on nostalgia didn't particularly resonant with me anyway.

[MacEachaidh]

Originally Posted by Mighty Max

I get you feel that way, I however do not.
It just seemed like an emotionless, vapid, empty movie that tried too hard to appease a whiny few (Not calling you whiny) instead of being a true continuation of the saga.

I can't relate that to the film I saw at all.

Maybe it's one of those issues where one's feelings depend on whether your Star Wars experience started with the OT or the PT? I saw the OT films as a kid, and for me TFA (while not without flaws) was such a welcome return to the tone of those originals, after the truly awful PTs. To me, they were the films that were vapid and emotionless (despite the histrionics).

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by MacEachaidh

I can't relate that to the film I saw at all.

Maybe it's one of those issues where one's feelings depend on whether your Star Wars experience started with the OT or the PT? I saw the OT films as a kid, and for me TFA (while not without flaws) was such a welcome return to the tone of those originals, after the truly awful PTs. To me, they were the films that were vapid and emotionless (despite the histrionics).

You're probably onto something there, and I've admitted as much in the past. Phantom Menace was my first, I saw it in theaters back in 1999 when I was a tyke and I loved it so much, it's what got me into Star Wars and made me wanna watch the OT (which I did, albeit the Special Editions), and I loved those, too (my issues with Jedi notwithstanding). And I saw Attack and Revenge when they came out and loved those, too. And I continue enjoying the PT, especially Phantom Menace. And yeah, I even like Jar Jar; I laughed at him back then, and he still gets a chuckle out of me. TFA just didn't have that magic for me; it's not bad, I liked it, but I didn't get that OMG from it except for a few moments here and there (mainly the escape from Jakku and especially the final scene). Maybe it's just cuz I'm older.

[Indiana Jonezzz...]

Originally Posted by MacEachaidh

I can't relate that to the film I saw at all.

Maybe it's one of those issues where one's feelings depend on whether your Star Wars experience started with the OT or the PT? I saw the OT films as a kid, and for me TFA (while not without flaws) was such a welcome return to the tone of those originals, after the truly awful PTs. To me, they were the films that were vapid and emotionless (despite the histrionics).

Naa, I was an OT kid like you and TFA didn't do much at all for me, see my reply above your post.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Indiana Jonezzz...

I pretty much agree with you exactly, although I did think TFA had at least a few scenes of emotion. But as the story is so vague setting up what has actually happened since Jedi, along with Rey's mysterious backstory etc, the emotion it did have that wasn't based on nostalgia didn't particularly resonant with me anyway.

I think that's EXACTLY it: a great deal of the film trades on the OT nostalgia rather than deliver a truly compelling tale, so if the nostalgia is lost on the viewer (guilty as charged, because for me Star Wars never went away) then the thin gruel offered up as a 'story' is badly exposed. If one goes along for the ride then it's fine, but if you've been on this ride several times before (not just in Star Wars but JJ's other space franchise) it's not quite so much of a rush.

I think I need to see it one more time after a proper marathon of the other movies, to see if it can at least ride the wave of happiness that those flicks (certain PT aspects included) elicit from me.

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I think that's EXACTLY it: a great deal of the film trades on the OT nostalgia rather than deliver a truly compelling tale, so if the nostalgia is lost on the viewer (guilty as charged, because for me Star Wars never went away) then the thin gruel offered up as a 'story' is badly exposed. If one goes along for the ride then it's fine, but if you've been on this ride several times before (not just in Star Wars but JJ's other space franchise) it's not quite so much of a rush.

I think I need to see it one more time after a proper marathon of the other movies, to see if it can at least ride the wave of happiness that those flicks (certain PT aspects included) elicit from me.

The vast majority of critics and moviegoers still very much enjoyed it for what it was.