Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Panama Jack]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Read at your own risk! You have been warned!

[Show spoiler]They secure the plans to destroy the Death Star!

You heard it here first.

[Show spoiler]Death Star plans

are like sand... they get everywhere.

[motorheadache95]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I disagree regarding the 2004 editions, I'd love to see them retained as the Blu-ray changes do nothing but distract me. Seeing as the '97/'04/'11 cuts are more closely related than the original is to the SE, I still say they could branch those three and put the original on a separate disc. Sound mixes become an issue with all of those three on one disc, especially Ep IV which has a different mix for each SE version, but given how the '04 mix was clearly deficient (which LFL essentially admitted to with the revised Blu mix) I wouldn't mind at all if it was sweetened using the '11 mix as its base.

The Blu-Ray alterations I find more perplexing than distracting (aside from the infamous added "noooo" to Jedi's climax). But at this point I figure I'd either watch the originals most of the time, but if I'm watching the prequels/modified editions I'd go balls out and just experience all of Lucas' tinkering which ranges everywhere from decent to puzzling to atrocious.

But you're right, it sounds like among the alterations in '97, '04, and '11, it would be simple enough to have all 3 on a single disc with seamless branching. But what about the fact that the DVD versions were created entirely digitally? How easy or not would it be to re-insert the further alterations onto a new restoration of the films? This would be presuming that a new restoration from the negative was done for both the originals and 1997 versions.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by motorheadache95

The Blu-Ray alterations I find more perplexing than distracting (aside from the infamous added "noooo" to Jedi's climax). But at this point I figure I'd either watch the originals most of the time, but if I'm watching the prequels/modified editions I'd go balls out and just experience all of Lucas' tinkering which ranges everywhere from decent to puzzling to atrocious.

But you're right, it sounds like among the alterations in '97, '04, and '11, it would be simple enough to have all 3 on a single disc with seamless branching. But what about the fact that the DVD versions were created entirely digitally? How easy or not would it be to re-insert the further alterations onto a new restoration of the films? This would be presuming that a new restoration from the negative was done for both the originals and 1997 versions.

I see what you're saying but from my perspective they'd be better off taking the HD masters created in 2004 (which used the re-conformed 1997 SE negatives as their base) and using that as the basis for the branched SE versions, adding the 2011 changes (Artoo Rocks!) or rolling back to the specific 1997 scenes (original Anakin ghost) and additions (original CG Jabba) from whatever alternate sources they have.

That'd be far simpler than restoring the unaltered originals AND the SEs from the same source because SO much was changed for the SEs, they didn't just add scenes and effects as they also redid almost every optical effect in the films (well, Ep IV anyway) and that work is separate from what a restoration of the original originals would turn out like. Does that make sense?

[kemcha]

Sometimes when I think I've heard the end of the whiners over 20th Century Fox owning permanent rights to A New Hope, some idiot gossip rag/news site tried to drudge it all up again. The idiots over at Screenrant are at it again, whining that 20th Century Fox won't give up the rights to Star Wars: A New Hope and the unaltered version of the movie. (They released the DVD non-touched up, non digital, non-HD version of the movie trilogy). Thing is, for those who claim to be purists, even touching up the film for Blu-ray is altering the movie.

Don't worry, I'm not starting that argument again. Thing is, they're upset because they won't get their complete saga set, Star Wars Episodes I-VIII and Rogue One.

The whole article is an interesting read but they did highlight one notion that I agree with, that Disney may not even decide to release an unaltered version of the trilogy. That when the rights to the physical distribution rights revert to Disney, that they may be reluctant to release the original theatrical version.

What interested me in the article what the fact that it mentions that even though Disney released the movies digitally, that presumably the revenue from the digital sales went to Fox Studios, since they retain the distribution rights.

Source: http://screenrant.com/why-disney-can...-wars-trilogy/

I think they should have named the article: why can't we stop talking about the Star Wars distribution rights? LOLS

[rickah88]

[Nicolawicz]

They should just release the original versions and let all the Lucas'ed crap be forgotten for all time. Nobody's complaining because the E.T. Blu-ray doesn't include the CGI'ed version, for instance. In fact, it makes that release even better.

[DCW]

There's one reason I never want to see the 1997 versions restored:



That's bad enough that I'd take Hayden in Jedi and a better rendition of Jabba in A New Hope over Shaw in Jedi with this version of Jabba.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by kemcha

Sometimes when I think I've heard the end of the whiners over 20th Century Fox owning permanent rights to A New Hope, some idiot gossip rag/news site tried to drudge it all up again. The idiots over at Screenrant are at it again, whining that 20th Century Fox won't give up the rights to Star Wars: A New Hope and the unaltered version of the movie. (They released the DVD non-touched up, non digital, non-HD version of the movie trilogy). Thing is, for those who claim to be purists, even touching up the film for Blu-ray is altering the movie.

Don't worry, I'm not starting that argument again. Thing is, they're upset because they won't get their complete saga set, Star Wars Episodes I-VIII and Rogue One.

The whole article is an interesting read but they did highlight one notion that I agree with, that Disney may not even decide to release an unaltered version of the trilogy. That when the rights to the physical distribution rights revert to Disney, that they may be reluctant to release the original theatrical version.

What interested me in the article what the fact that it mentions that even though Disney released the movies digitally, that presumably the revenue from the digital sales went to Fox Studios, since they retain the distribution rights.

Source: http://screenrant.com/why-disney-can...-wars-trilogy/

I think they should have named the article: why can't we stop talking about the Star Wars distribution rights? LOLS

Ugh. Morons.

And I'm going to say it again for maybe the billionth time, these people use the word Disney like the studio is the monolith in 2001: A Space Odyssey, as if these divisions don't have their own goals, priorities, aspirations, identities. Disney is doing this, Disney is doing that. These fools don't know what they're talking about.

[kemcha]

Tell me about. It doesn't matter what side of the fence you're standing on, whether you like the special edition or whether you prefer the OT's, these media websites need to stop rehashing this tired old BS and let it drop already. It's Star Wars, it's available on home video, SR just needs to suck it up and stop treading water on this subject.

[disneywildcat]

Originally Posted by kemcha

What interested me in the article what the fact that it mentions that even though Disney released the movies digitally, that presumably the revenue from the digital sales went to Fox Studios, since they retain the distribution rights.

Source: http://screenrant.com/why-disney-can...-wars-trilogy/

I think they should have named the article: why can't we stop talking about the Star Wars distribution rights? LOLS

The author either didn't read or misunderstood Disney's SEC filings, which clearly states otherwise for the pre-Disney sequels/prequels (noting that the "television and electronic distribution" rights were retained by Lucasfilm).

[disneywildcat]

And TNT, which recently acquired the basic cable broadcasting and ad-supported SVOD rights to the past and future SW films, notes that a separate agreement with Fox was needed for A New Hope.

https://www.turner.com/pressroom/uni...ilm-collection

The Disney agreement also includes five of the six original classic Star Wars films, as well as the network television premieres of the next three yet-to-be-released movies. The installment that launched the franchise, Star Wars: A New Hope, comes to Turner through a separate arrangement with 20th Century Fox, thus making Turner the only company with basic cable rights to all 11 titles in the collection.

[DuaneB]

So after 2020, any future home video release will not have the Fox fanfare and logo on 5 of the 6 movies, correct?

[disneywildcat]

Originally Posted by DuaneB

So after 2020, any future home video release will not have the Fox fanfare and logo on 5 of the 6 movies, correct?

Possibly. Just took a quick look at the TNT on demand version of Return of the Jedi (via Sling TV's on demand selection for TNT) and it does not have the Fox Fanfare and logo (due to the broadcast rights being retained by Lucasfilm).

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by DCW

There's one reason I never want to see the 1997 versions restored:



That's bad enough that I'd take Hayden in Jedi and a better rendition of Jabba in A New Hope over Shaw in Jedi with this version of Jabba.

Even if it didn't have that abomination in the scene, it is virtually redundant and creates several continuity issues.

Jabba's dialogue should be "Why did you fry poor Greedo? I'm going to have to repeat all his lines now and then agree on a deal that removes any need for you to be in a hurry like you'll claim to be when your passengers turn up."

- The falcon appears on screen before its actual reveal in the movie

Chewie jumps around from standing at the door of the docking bay, then walking close behind Jabba, then magically reappears at the door gain then eventually winds up smack in the middle of the scene, but then a moment later he's leading Ben and Luke towards the docking bay.

[Ernest Rister]

"BUSHES OF LOVE" -- Extended Lyric Video - YouTube

[balthazar_bee]

I've had that damn song in my head for two weeks. It's even catchier than "Seagulls (stop it)".

[ParkerAL]

Yeah, that damn Jabba scene has no business being in the movie.

[fontcow]

Originally Posted by balthazar_bee

I've had that damn song in my head for two weeks. It's even catchier than "Seagulls (stop it)".

Earworms! "Run, run, run, jump! I can be a backpack while you run! And stop. (Put me down.)"

[master gandhi]

Originally Posted by ParkerAL

Yeah, that damn Jabba scene has no business being in the movie.

When they first released the special editions theatrically, I never thought these would replace the unaltered versions. I just saw them as a fun alternative to entice us to go see them again in theaters. It's so crazy that the altered versions have stuck around this long as the only official versions available in relatively good quality.

That Jabba scene and "Jedi Rocks" (another Jabba-related scene funnily enough) are the worst additions IMO. Of course the decision later to replace the original Anakin ghost with young Anakin's ghost was a horrible new development too (mainly because it makes no sense, and he looks creepy as hell).

Somehow, I haven't allowed these questionable changes to ruin my overall enjoyment in the films, but they do test your tolerance. Bring on the unaltered versions next year please!

Hell, I'd take them as iTunes Extras. Just make sure they're good quality. Restore Jabba's integrity please! Ha

[kemcha]

What about this one?

"RETURN OF THE JEDI: A Bad Lip Reading" - YouTube