Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Lyle_JP]

Originally Posted by WestMan

Meant to know that Palpatine is the Emperor? You must have missed the debates on SW websites during the prequels on whether Episode I Palpatine was the same guy who became the Emperor.

Fan debates which, in retrospect, were both silly and worthless.

Originally Posted by WestMan

Are you meant to Read The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings before the Silmarilion? Or read Game of Thrones before Dunk & Egg?

Are they Star Wars movies? I can also come up with plenty of non-SW examples where the prequel is meaningless without reading the first books published. Try reading The Magician's Nephew before any other Narnia books, or Gardens of Stone before Flowers in the Attic.

Originally Posted by WestMan

You act as if watching the Star Wars movies in order ruins it. It doesn't. It just readjusts the important and shocking moments. For me personally I prefer it in order.

"Ruins" is a strong statement. But are the SW films more effective when watched in production order? Yes, yes I think they are.

[stvn1974]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

Hate leads to the dark side, remember?

Sand getting everywhere leads to hate which leads to the dark side.

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

Sand getting everywhere leads to hate which leads to the dark side.

He complained about sand because he was looking back on the troubled times he had on Tatooine.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

But what will really annoy me is that George Lucas vision will be lost and the changes that were made down to the last bluray will be jettisoned and it will be like the Abrams promotion brainwashing videos where he states the only way to watch the 6 films is IV-VI first. Sorry, but to get the proper experience, it just doesn't work correct that way. But of course one has to put away the prejudice, and with so many Star Wars fans, just like baby boomers, there is no way that kind of brainwash talk will ever be undone.

The proper experience? The were released theatrically in this order: IV-VI and I-III. So no one should've watched the original trilogy films when they were released theatrically? They should've waited until the prequels came out?

Why wouldn't someone start off with IV? Why would Lucas release IV as the first film if he didn't want you to watch it first? Abrams' position is very sensible. Demanding someone watch the prequels first is brainwashing.

The only reason why you're "supposed" to watch the prequels first is so that by the end of Jedi you know why there's a younger guy as Anakin and it's supposed to be more meaningful. In my opinion the impact of that scene isn't any more effective with the prequels. It's already effective in the original version.

[Bobbyjoe766]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Isn't Disney not the one giving the OT? Could've sworn Lucas sold the franchise years ago.

Mr Lucas could've given us the original versions (remastered) alongside the SE's,when they were first released on DVD,back in 2004.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Bobbyjoe766

STAR WARS (1977) was a fluke and he almost ruined EMPIRE when he tried to edit it himself and JEDI has his fingerprints all over it.

Star Wars was most definitely not a fluke. I haven't been at all shy about criticizing The Creator's self-indulgent tendencies (going all the way back to the theatrical release of Jedi) but there's no question that even through his lowest moments he was a very imaginative executive producer type. Even the worst of the prequels have some very cool 'big picture' ideas and visuals.

And there was a time when he was also a pretty talented writer and director. Granted, that time was several decades ago but even if you're inclined to take Empire out of the equation, THX-1138, American Graffiti and Star Wars were a hell of a streak.

That's not just luck or the stars aligning or being in the right place at the right time.

There's got be some talent involved too.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Bobbyjoe766

Mr Lucas could've given us the original versions (remastered) alongside the SE's,when they were first released on DVD,back in 2004.

Sure. A lot of things can, but don't, happen in life.
The question then becomes are you going to move on or cry about it forever?

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by Bobbyjoe766

Mr Lucas could've given us the original versions (remastered) alongside the SE's,when they were first released on DVD,back in 2004.

Just download the Despecialized Editions!

[octagon]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Sure. A lot of things can, but don't, happen in life.
The question then becomes are you going to move on or cry about it forever?

Define forever.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by octagon

Define forever.

Hmmm, 15 years plus!

[Bobbyjoe766]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Sure. A lot of things can, but don't, happen in life.
The question then becomes are you going to move on or cry about it forever?

It was a statement-nothing more.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Bobbyjoe766

It was a statement-nothing more.

Ditto.

[stvn1974]

I am watching the ruined version of Return Of Jedi right now. Just made it to the Little Shop Of Horrors Sarlac Pit scene.

[Hardback247]

It's been 17 years, and the hate towards the PT still feels very fresh in pop culture. I wish they were the kinds of movies that got better appreciation among the masses over time. Like Blade Runner.

[Lyle_JP]

I don't think there's a fair argument that Lucas was or is not talented. Of course he is talented. But artistic talent also has to be tempered by good creative judgment. It seems that Lucas is at his best when there are constraints put on him by other creative people.

[Lyle_JP]

Originally Posted by rickah88

The question then becomes are you going to move on or cry about it forever?

You make it sound like a binary choice. A third choice, "Continue applying pressure until we get what we want", is apparently not okay anymore, according to some people.

Well, I think the collective power of the fans' wallets still means something in this market. Especially since a man who had no need for more money is out of the picture now.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

Just download the Despecialized Editions!

There's also the Silver Screen edition of the first movie if someone wants to watch a scanned film print.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Lyle_JP

You make it sound like a binary choice. A third choice, "Continue applying pressure until we get what we want", is apparently not okay anymore, according to some people.

Well, I think the collective power of the fans' wallets still means something in this market. Especially since a man who had no need for more money is out of the picture now.

How much more pressure need be applied?
Torches and pitchforks, clearly haven't worked.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

The proper experience? The were released theatrically in this order: IV-VI and I-III. So no one should've watched the original trilogy films when they were released theatrically? They should've waited until the prequels came out?

Why wouldn't someone start off with IV? Why would Lucas release IV as the first film if he didn't want you to watch it first? Abrams' position is very sensible. Demanding someone watch the prequels first is brainwashing.

The only reason why you're "supposed" to watch the prequels first is so that by the end of Jedi you know why there's a younger guy as Anakin and it's supposed to be more meaningful. In my opinion the impact of that scene isn't any more effective with the prequels. It's already effective in the original version.

There is a simple answer to this which I already stated. FINANCING. Lucas made it clear in early interviews that there is a larger story and he wanted 12 films initially.

The beginning isn't as interesting as dropping down in the middle of the action.

I trust the artist, not what the old fans want based on nostalgia.

And despite what some people think, yes I believe George plays to a bigger audience that transcends a generation that can't let go. Asking an audience to re-experoence the proper vision now that he has money is believable.

When I heard onthe commentary that Lucas said he wouldn't allow himself to imagine some things because e knew he couldn't afford it, I totally got it.

Can you understand that? If I could afford it you bet your ass there are things I would have changed if allowed to dream. But of course there are fans that will tell him what he should make and pity we will never know what woud have been.

TFA is alright, but less than everything Lucas made IMHO.

[Bobbyjoe766]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

There's also the Silver Screen edition of the first movie if someone wants to watch a scanned film print.

I've already taken advantage of the uploader's generosity,very grateful,much thanks too!