Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Blu Myers]

Damn I miss her so much. Seeing her on the big screen in RotJ as a 10 year old introduced me to sexuality. She was strong, intelligent, and not just a damsel in distress.


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[imsounoriginal]

Is Hardback247 JJ Abrams?

[mredman]

it will never be the same watching Star Wars after the terrible news today of Carrie passing away

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

Not to sound like a dick, but how will they explain Leia's absence in Episode IX?

Hopefully not with horrible CGI like Rogue One.
R.I.P. Carrie Fisher

[solarrdadd]

wow, this thread is like 6+ years old and people are non-stop battling in here like the thread just came out; with no end in sight! A-mazing!

[GxyExpress999]

Princess Leia's Theme played by the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra - YouTube

[returnofthemack]

The force awakens is a movie I can throw on about once a month and still love every moment. Kind of like empire strikes back or Return of the Jedi.

My personal ranking

Empire
Jedi
Force
Sith
Hope
Phantom








Clones

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Is Hardback247 JJ Abrams?

No, I am not JJ Abrams. My name is Brian Martin.

[Jakdonark]

Originally Posted by Arawn

Timothy Zahn had it that Yoda had fought a "Dark Jedi" at the site.

Was that from the Heir Trilogy? Been over 20 years since I read those. I know there have been references to the Dark Side "cave" but I don't recall anything mentioned about the stone walls where Luke actually has the encounter. The architecture is sort of similar to the halls in the depths of Cloud City, so it could be part of the foreshadowing dream, but he imagines stone walls so that would fit in better with his current environment, because glass and metal would take him out of the illusion. However I am still of the mind that it was supposed to be a real environment and that the cave led to a corridor to an underground temple.

I also haven't read the novelizations for over 20 years and they are buried in boxes somewhere so I can't reference that to see if how the cave was described in the novel.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by GxyExpress999

Princess Leia's Theme played by the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra - YouTube

Through the muck comes a beautiful flower. Thanks for posting.

[kemcha]

Personally, and I might be one of the few to say this, I've been enjoying Star Wars rebels a whole hell of a lot better than I've enjoyed The Force Awakens. I think that J.J. Abrams should have taken some lessons from Dave Filoni on how to craft a clever Star Wars story instead of trying to copy story ideas because you want to be faithful to the Star Wars films that came before.

I would have changed my mind about J.J. Abrams being a hack (an idea I gained on when I saw the rebooted Star Trek film, that first one) if he would have tried harder not trying to make The Force Awakens too much like A New Hope. The one thing about George Lucas, not a single one of his Star Wars films were similar to what he had previously produced. I found it odd when I heard the real reason why George Lucas sold Lucasfilm to Disney.

George Lucas had listened to all of the complaints and hate mail that he got from Star Wars fans regarding the prequels and the "Special Edition" films and that he was prepared to make a third trilogy of films but decided he was tired of all the hate. He wanted to make more films and maybe we would have gotten something better than what we currently got. Han would never have been killed off, Luke wouldn't be off soul searching, and we would have gotten other new characters than the ones we were saddled with.

TFA is a good film but to me, it just a rehashing of the original Star Wars and there was just no purpose to the story. Hopefully, Episode VIII will change my mind on this new trilogy since Rian Johnson is directing it instead of Abrams.

[motorheadache95]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

The entire movie is basically "that's a story for another time" e.g. how Maz got the lightsaber, what happened with Luke and Ben, who Snoke is, where the First Order came from, why the Republic has this weird militia set-up with the Resistance, who Rey is, etc etc. Some people - most people, even - are able to look past that and enjoy the film for what it is but I freely admit to struggling with the utter lack of backstory, and the New Hope-redux aspect of the story itself just doesn't do it for me at all. IMO it's little more than a glorified greatest hits package from a cover band (even John Williams doesn't sound like John Williams apart from Rey's theme), and I'm praying with all my heart that Eps VIII and IX can retroactively connect the dots and make me like TFA.

You're not wrong, but the disagreement is whether or not a "cover band greatest hits album" is a good thing or not. For me its like a cover band who does a bunch of my favorite songs, and it hits all the things about the songs I like but with differences of style and variations here and there and I'm like "dude this album kicks ass!' But then I'd also add, okay, you've got your cool cover album, now write your own songs on the next one.

As for the story plots points, I think at least a bit more context was needed about the Republic and the Resistance, and the whole bit with the Republic capitol (I think it was... see?) getting destroyed kinda confused me. But I actually like that they left some mystery to Rey and some of those other characters. It adds a different element to her character compared to the original crew.

[El_Fez]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

Anyone who says Kylo Ren is a pathetic villain is missing the entire point. The point of his character is that he ISN'T Darth Vader, and he's a wannabe.

I don't necessarily want another Vader. I just want a bad guy that's interesting.

Originally Posted by Rich1631

I can't stop laughing when people brutally bash The Force Awakens and sing praises for the prequels No. Just no.

Yes, because god forbid people like different things.

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by El_Fez

I don't necessarily want another Vader. I just want a bad guy that's interesting.

Kylo Ren actually showed more character depth in The Force Awakens than Vader did in A New Hope.

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

Kylo Ren actually showed more character depth in The Force Awakens than Vader did in A New Hope.

[Hardback247]

Yep. Go watch A New Hope with a clear mindset, like you've never seen any other Star Wars material before, and you'll understand what I mean.

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

Yep. Go watch A New Hope with a clear mindset, like you've never seen any other Star Wars material before, and you'll understand what I mean.

Dude, I've seen Star Wars many times beyond count, and Force Awakens more times than I probably should have at this point. Of course the guy who takes his unnecessarily worn mask off in the movie in order to properly express his angst is going to have more 'character depth' than the iconic Darth Vader who just rips throats trying to get a turkey.



I was just saying that's messed up to even compare 'character depth' when talking about the original Vader.

[WhySoBlu?]

Imagine what Vader could do with just the force and a celery stick...

[El_Fez]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

Kylo Ren actually showed more character depth in The Force Awakens than Vader did in A New Hope.

Well, if you mean whiny emo temper tantrums as depth, then yes. On the other hand, it wasn't interesting to me. He was a very poor bad guy.

[Arawn]

Originally Posted by Jakdonark

I also haven't read the novelizations for over 20 years and they are buried in boxes somewhere so I can't reference that to see if how the cave was described in the novel.

Try Google Books.

It does mention a "corridor", for whatever that's worth.