Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by Nicolawicz

I'd say Episodes II and III look like video-shot fan films.

Internet, thy name is hyperbole.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Internet, thy name is hyperbole.

Nah, this goes from exaggeration to flat out obscenity.

[WhySoBlu?]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

The best movie out of the OT is Star Wars without question. The numbers continue to show it, and he will always reign supreme in my book.

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

Not this fan. I guess according to the rest of the world they must not be fans either.

You seem to be confused. Box office does not equal quality. And the general consensus amongst fans, both causal and fervent, is that Empire is the best of the OT (not to mention overall) in terms of quality. Just because you don't agree doesn't make it any less of a fact.

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

But if you go to the tale of the tape Star Wars trumps in pretty much every regard. You just can't beat an original idea and the characters are just far more interesting and iconic. Empire never stood a chance.

You have to realize that Star Wars is - by virtually every account - a mishmash of a bunch of existing ideas, paying homage to (or ripping off, depending on who you ask) The Hidden Fortress and the Flash Gordon serials, and using the standard "Hero's Journey" as its foundation. In that regard, Empire is far more original than Star Wars.

The thing is, you and I both know I'm wasting my time here, genesim. Your arguments are long on emotion, but short on facts, reason, and logic. It's only a matter of time before this account suffers the same fate as your last one...

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by El_Fez

Well, if you mean whiny emo temper tantrums as depth, then yes. On the other hand, it wasn't interesting to me. He was a very poor bad guy.

Kylo Ren wasn't remotely emo. He had a temper problem and was prone to flying off the hook, but he wasn't emo. He is clearly an unstable man and the temper tantrums are a great demonstration of that. The dude is no way in control of his emotions.

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by WhySoBlu?

And the general consensus amongst fans, both causal and fervent, is that Empire is the best of the OT (not to mention overall) in terms of quality.

The Empire Strikes Back actually had its fair share of detractors on initial release in 1980.

http://www.starwars.com/news/critica...iginal-reviews

[WhySoBlu?]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

The Empire Strikes Back actually had its fair share of detractors on initial release in 1980.

http://www.starwars.com/news/critica...iginal-reviews

Which is completely irrelevant to the discussion and my point, but thanks I guess?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by GxyExpress999

Princess Leia's Theme played by the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra - YouTube

Mag-freakin'-nificent. Williams at the peak of his powers: there's no substitute for such awesomeness.

[kemcha]

I wouldn't say that George Lucas ruined cinema with digital video and CGI. The thing is, George Lucas is the one who revolutionized the movie theater experience.

If anything, George Lucas is the one responsible for these leaps in cinema technology and special effects. Star Wars paved the way for Star Trek to return (to the movie theaters), Battlestar Galactica, Buck Rogers, Flash Gordon and many other sci-fi shows that hit movie theaters and television networks.

I think fans get over-dramatic when they start hating on George Lucas. Even though the prequel films get trashed on a lot, they did generate one billion dollars for The Phantom Menace and one billion for Revenge of the Sith, while generating $650 million for Attack of the Clones.

If anything, George Lucas proved that it doesn't matter how much "fans" hate his movies, they still flocked in droves to see a new Star Wars movie. George Lucas should have simply kept making new Star Wars movies and just stuck it to the fans. Personally, I think that George Lucas rage-quitting was the biggest mistake he made.

The issue regarding the prequels and the special edition films has simply been over-dramatic and made a bigger issue than it actually is.

[WestMan]

I strongly believe that is Lucas made a digital Tarkin and Leia like Rogue One did.... the Internet would have bashed him for it.

The prequels are actually very strong story telling. There is a lot of depth to them. The rise of the Sith and the failure of the Jedi is woven perfectly. Episode 7 felt hollow compared to the prequels.

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by WestMan

Episode 7 felt hollow compared to the prequels.

I don't think it's fair to compare the first part of a new trilogy to a completed trilogy.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by WhySoBlu?

You seem to be confused. Box office does not equal quality. And the general consensus amongst fans, both causal and fervent, is that Empire is the best of the OT (not to mention overall) in terms of quality. Just because you don't agree doesn't make it any less of a fact.

You have to realize that Star Wars is - by virtually every account - a mishmash of a bunch of existing ideas, paying homage to (or ripping off, depending on who you ask) The Hidden Fortress and the Flash Gordon serials, and using the standard "Hero's Journey" as its foundation. In that regard, Empire is far more original than Star Wars.

The thing is, you and I both know I'm wasting my time here, genesim. Your arguments are long on emotion, but short on facts, reason, and logic. It's only a matter of time before this account suffers the same fate as your last one...

Are you going to do this every time I post something you don't like?

Your bullying behavior is no excuse and apparently I am not the first person you have done this to looking back through your posts.

Star Wars is the better film in a hundred different ways, but alas it is all just opinion. Apparently you want to keep me from having mine.

I do find your "general consensus" logic quite flawed. Again, apparently the fans that continue to flock to the film in great numbers has no bearing on your mindset.

p.s. I stated I was genesim why repeat it again? Do you think you are clever?

Originally Posted by Hardback247

I don't think it's fair to compare the first part of a new trilogy to a completed trilogy.

I agree. Compare it to one film...Star Wars, which there is no comparison.

I like Ep. VII, but it is pretty hollow to me.

[WestMan]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

I don't think it's fair to compare the first part of a new trilogy to a completed trilogy.

I could compared Episode 7 to each of the prequel movies individually... and it still feels hollow. The depth of the prequels is highly underrated.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by WestMan

I could compared Episode 7 to each of the prequel movies individually... and it still feels hollow. The depth of the prequels is highly underrated.

I agree with this. I think there is great story telling there. Obviously the prequels are CGI crazy, and that is a bit of a flaw with me.

But at least the stories felt original.

I like Episode VII and I welcome more stories, but part of me can't help feeling sad that Lucas isn't involved.

[WestMan]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

I agree with this. I think there is great story telling there. Obviously the prequels are CGI crazy, and that is a bit of a flaw with me.

But at least the stories felt original.

I like Episode VII and I welcome more stories, but part of me can't help feeling sad that Lucas isn't involved.

CGI doesn't bother me unless it is The Scorpion King bad.

I would go a step further and say Episode 7 is junk. It ignores the ending of 6, which is both a travesty and bad story telling.

Rogue One was a step in the right direction. It had issues, but is did a much better job staying faithful to canon established in 3 and 4.

Hopefully Episode 8 continues on that trend. And I probably won't even see the Han Solo movie. Nobody can replace Harrison Ford. Mark my words... it will be a bust.

[imsounoriginal]

How does TFA ignore the ending of VI?

[Member-167298]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

How does TFA ignore the ending of VI?

Why is the Empire still in power?

I love TFA, but that is a major oversight in the story.

Were the Ewoks singing and dancing for nothing at the end of Jedi?!

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by WestMan

I would go a step further and say Episode 7 is junk. It ignores the ending of 6, which is both a travesty and bad story telling.

This is nothing new. The main heroes also had to deal with other Empire-level threats in tons of Expanded Universe stories like the Thrawn and Dark Empire Trilogies.

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by PrestonXI

Why is the Empire still in power?

I love TFA, but that is a major oversight in the story.

Were the Ewoks singing and dancing for nothing at the end of Jedi?!

The First Order ≠ The Empire.

[WestMan]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

How does TFA ignore the ending of VI?

1. Burnt helmet not burnt.
2. Lost lightsaber randomly found.
3. Luke at peace and then a hermit.
4. Han and Leia happy and then separatedo
5. The Empire destroyed... yet is back just under different name.

And there is proof it was ignored. The writer of Episode 7 (Kasdan) was at odds with Lucas at the end of Episode 6 about how it should end. Lucas obviously won out. And yet Kasdan's original idea for the episode 6 ending is basically what he wrote for Episode 7. Luke on his own. Leia acting as a leader. And Han dead.

Episode 6 to 7 is the worst transition from any movie in chronological order. It is absolutely jarring if you watch them in order.

[WestMan]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

The First Order ≠ The Empire.

They are the same. Just a different name. Disney went back to the same exact well. You would have to be more blind then the Jedi from Rebels not to see that.