Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Class316]

Phantom Manace was actually the last SW to ever get a "nice" physical release.

Both the US VHS boxset and the Japanese laserdisc are cool to look at

Star Wars Ep. 1 Collector's Edition (VHS) | GatorUNbox - YouTube

From the Star Wars Home Video Library #66: The Phantom Menace Laserdisc (Japan) - YouTube

After Phantom Manace the DVD age began and physical look in general began to decline. Star Wars seems to have gotten hit more than anything else though. There have been no cool sets for anything after Phantom Manace.

[A Sith Lord?]

Originally Posted by Class316

Phantom Manace was actually the last SW to ever get a "nice" physical release.

Both the US VHS boxset and the Japanese laserdisc are cool to look at

Star Wars Ep. 1 Collector's Edition (VHS) | GatorUNbox - YouTube

From the Star Wars Home Video Library #66: The Phantom Menace Laserdisc (Japan) - YouTube


After Phantom Manace the DVD age began and physical look in general began to decline. Star Wars seems to have gotten hit more than anything else though. There have been no cool sets for anything after Phantom Manace.

Just buying Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith on DVD were as great as buying cool sets.

[happydood]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

So, the problem is that some people take the ideas in the Star Wars saga too literally?

What you did there... even without irony it's on point.

[WhySoBlu?]

Originally Posted by Arawn

[Show spoiler]A useless strawman? I thought we were talking about the Force.



No shit, Sherlock! Congratulations - you've established that the droids had the capability to do a midichlorian count. So what? What difference does that make?



In Star Wars, one would think that if something is inexplicable by conventional means then it is at least suggested that the Force may have had something to do with it.



We have every reason to believe that, because of the nature of the Force and the fact that they are droids. These things are said and shown in the movies. What's not in the movies? These "Force droids" you seem to be thinking of.



And what they say is that they cannot explain what is happening.



"Well, if droids could think, there'd be none of us here, would there?" - some guy

I ask you why a medical droid, created and maintained in a time when the Jedi are prevalent and well-known throughout the universe, would not have any understanding of the Force and you respond with "Because it's a droid," as if that's an answer.

But again I ask - why couldn't a medical droid be exposed to - and understand - the concept of the force and the Jedi on an academic level? Just because they can't feel or sense things doesn't mean they aren't aware of the existence of the force and what the Jedi can and can not do with it. Were there no books written about the Jedi for the 1000+ generations the Jedi were the guardians of peace and justice? No reference section dealing with the Jedi? Nothing that the droids could have been exposed to in order to better treat wounded Jedi? That's not at all plausible?

So great - you're one of those who's running with a theory for which there's very little evidence in the actual film. Bully for you.


And you really need to lighten up, Francis - this is not that serious. You're gonna blow out an O-ring...

[TM2-Megatron]

The only reason I ever needed to explain the nonsensical diagnosis for Padme's death was a continuation of the poor writing I'd already suffered through for 3 movies.

They needed her to die, and nobody involved had enough creative juices left to come up with a reasonable explanation.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Welcome to my world. Also, either intentionally or otherwise, Elvis is messing with people, just walk away or hit the ignore button.

Ernest, and here you are starting up crap again? If you would actually ignore that would be great.

Funny how it turns into a flame war because I bring actual discussion to the table.

Not that it takes me being here to see posters being bullied. So what was the other 6000+ of bickering going on?

All this because I said a droid could have said something wrong.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by happydood

To be bothered with the 'died of a broken heart' business is to kind of totally misread what he's attempting to do.

I think people understand what he was going for. We just think it was dumb.

Originally Posted by happydood

It doesn't need to make logical sense in the context of the movie. It needs to make emotional/poetic sense. You can argue that it doesn't even achieve that, but that's another issue...

Well, Padme's death didn't need to make logical sense in that they didn't need to provide some coherent, medically compelling reason for her dying. For instance, they could have offered some vague 'she's going into shock, we're losing her' thing that could have worked. It still would have been horribly maudlin but it could have worked.

But her death did have to make logical sense in that it should have been consistent with her character. Or at the very least, it shouldn't have been so wildly inconsistent with her character.

Originally Posted by Arawn

In Star Wars, one would think that if something is inexplicable by conventional means then it is at least suggested that the Force may have had something to do with it.

But Padme's death wasn't inexplicable by conventional means. Quite the contrary. We were explicitly given a clear and unambiguous conventional explanation for her death: she didn't want to live anymore.

Now, that might be a dumb explanation but it is the explanation we were given nevertheless.

And I've said previously, the fact that so many people are casting about for some sort of alternate explanation only underscores just how flat losing the will to live fell in the first place.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by octagon

I think people understand what he was going for. We just think it was dumb.



Well, Padme's death didn't need to make logical sense in that they didn't need to provide some coherent, medically compelling reason for her dying. For instance, they could have offered some vague 'she's going into shock, we're losing her' thing that could have worked. It still would have been horribly maudlin but it could have worked.

But her death did have to make logical sense in that it should have been consistent with her character. Or at the very least, it shouldn't have been so wildly inconsistent with her character.



But Padme's death wasn't inexplicable by conventional means. Quite the contrary. We were explicitly given a clear and unambiguous conventional explanation for her death: she didn't want to live anymore.

Now, that might be a dumb explanation but it is the explanation we were given nevertheless.

And I've said previously, the fact that so many people are casting about for some sort of alternate explanation only underscores just how flat losing the will to live fell in the first place.

I dunno, with all that she went through I thought losing the will to live worked rather well. I mean for gosh sakes the overdone Yoda death scene where Luke leans in at least 3 times is just so much better? Then we get the point of view strung out scene after that?

To this day I think if Yoda just died with a few words it would have played so much better.

By the way, I love how the fanboy OT like to dream about Padme's death being some big controversy. In the real wold, her death isn't even a minor nod.

[A Sith Lord?]

Still blows my mind Vader's helmet survived the burning of his Jedi Funeral.

It's not like Luke decided to stop burning it and keep it as a reminder.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

By the way, I love how the fanboy OT like to dream about Padme's death being some big controversy.

I didn't think it was controversial. I thought it sucked.

[A Sith Lord?]

Originally Posted by octagon

I didn't think it was controversial. I thought it sucked.

Good. Let the hate flow through you. I feel it.

[A Sith Lord?]

Always wondered why in the OT, Yoda and Obi-Wan as force ghosts didn't just straight up troll Vader and Emperor every single day. Ohhhh Sidious with that force lightning, what you gonna do? It doesn't effect us.

[dubious]

Originally Posted by MasturB

Always wondered why in the OT, Yoda and Obi-Wan as force ghosts didn't just straight up troll Vader and Emperor every single day. Ohhhh Sidious with that force lightning, what you gonna do? It doesn't effect us.

Luke made a pledge of celibacy soon after discovering ceiling obi-wan was always watching.

[ArrestedDevelopment]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Broken heart syndrome is all too real, and can manifest itself as a stroke, which can lead to death. So yes, you can techinically die of a "broken heart"

I think you might be referring to Takotsubo cardiomyopathy. An ECG and other diagnostic studies would show abnormalities so you can definitely diagnose it. The medical droids in episode 3 said Padme was perfectly healthy so I guess you can just chalk that up to movie magic.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by MasturB

Still blows my mind Vader's helmet survived the burning of his Jedi Funeral.

It's not like Luke decided to stop burning it and keep it as a reminder.

Metal doesn't burn very well

[Alan_Grant]

Originally Posted by fontcow

Obi-Wan also just finished fighting a bunch of bigass monsters and an arena battle, so in addition to a deep slash in his leg, was also probably exhausted.

[A Sith Lord?]

Originally Posted by Alan_Grant

Obi-Wan also just finished fighting a bunch of bigass monsters and an arena battle, so in addition to a deep slash in his leg, was also probably exhausted.

Was also tortured starved and held captive before the arena.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by ArrestedDevelopment

I think you might be referring to Takotsubo cardiomyopathy. An ECG and other diagnostic studies would show abnormalities so you can definitely diagnose it. The medical droids in episode 3 said Padme was perfectly healthy so I guess you can just chalk that up to movie magic.

Healthy people can and do die for no apparent reason. However does that stop a coronor from coming up with a reason that equates to a heart stopped beating which falls into "heart abnormality".

Like good one....kinda like saying one died from a truck grill smashing your face but ignoring the bottle of Jack that caused it to happen.

I guess SIDS is magic too.

Originally Posted by octagon

I didn't think it was controversial. I thought it sucked.

Yes somehow I got that.

Originally Posted by MasturB

Was also tortured starved and held captive before the arena.

It is the prequels and they must be stomped at all cost! Don't you forget it.

Look at that beard. I see a hair out of place. How could a Jedi let that happen? George lost it, or never had it obviously!

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by octagon

I think people understand what he was going for. We just think it was dumb.



Well, Padme's death didn't need to make logical sense in that they didn't need to provide some coherent, medically compelling reason for her dying. For instance, they could have offered some vague 'she's going into shock, we're losing her' thing that could have worked. It still would have been horribly maudlin but it could have worked.

But her death did have to make logical sense in that it should have been consistent with her character. Or at the very least, it shouldn't have been so wildly inconsistent with her character.



But Padme's death wasn't inexplicable by conventional means. Quite the contrary. We were explicitly given a clear and unambiguous conventional explanation for her death: she didn't want to live anymore.

Now, that might be a dumb explanation but it is the explanation we were given nevertheless.

And I've said previously, the fact that so many people are casting about for some sort of alternate explanation only underscores just how flat losing the will to live fell in the first place.

As with a lot of what Lucas did in the prequels, he used a goofy plot device to underscore a thematic point, that of the Sith constantly needling each other: Palpatine tells Anakin that he killed Padme when the reality is that she chose to die (jeez, I feel daft just typing that), reiterating the notion that Palps is a scheming old bastard. Idea: fair enough. Execution: absolutely ****ing awful.

I still don't know why Lucas just didn't have her bleed out or something during childbirth, i.e. it's not an injury directly related to Anakin choking her and it would've worked just as well in relation to Palps' scheming. Ah well.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

As with a lot of what Lucas did in the prequels, he used a goofy plot device to underscore a thematic point, that of the Sith constantly needling each other: Palpatine tells Anakin that he killed Padme when the reality is that she chose to die (jeez, I feel daft just typing that), reiterating the notion that Palps is a scheming old bastard. Idea: fair enough. Execution: absolutely ****ing awful.

I still don't know why Lucas just didn't have her bleed out or something during childbirth, i.e. it's not an injury directly related to Anakin choking her and it would've worked just as well in relation to Palps' scheming. Ah well.

What is wrong with reiterating that Palpatine was a low life? To me that gives a sympathy for Anakin, though I gotta admit that it is pretty damn impossible after killing all those kids. If I wished for anything it would have been something like bombing the place on accident or whatever.

As for Padme, what is wrong with her just giving up? Why does everything have to be explained?

Much like the unsettling kids part I mentioned, I feel it gives the character dimension.