Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Early Memphis]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

The worst part of Jedi Rocks isn't that it's in the movie, it's that it's on the soundtrack for Battlefront II. I remember playing the Jedi/Sith multiplayer on my old Xbox and anytime you go near certain buildings that stupid song comes on and I would immediately run away, even if I was about to die and there was a medic droid inside. The stupid Ewok song was also on that soundtrack in certain places IIRC.

Well that really sucks. Ya don’t wanna die, but that tune would make me wanna run, too.

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

You returned it based on that? Wow. And yet there is miles of simply awesome footage and great docs and not to mentioned the best sound the Star awars saga ever had.

Jedi Rocks sucks ....so did bug eyed women emperors and the yub yub Ewok theme for me.

I think people hold on to the nostalgia so hard that they forget that there were a lot of really cool changes that cleaned up the image and improved the experience.

Again, if anything, there was a lot of historical footage on the box set that is not to be missed ...

eBay fiasco: the dude was supposed to be sending something new and sealed (the Anikin DigiBook). It turned out to be, in his opinion, Like New with an Episode 4 disc from hell. I had to open a case for a refund. There were other problems as well, but I posted a scan of the Ep 4 disc a few pages back. I own the original trilogy and figured I’d have another look at the Prequels - but I really wanted those extras. With all the boots on eBay, I’ve been afraid to reorder. Last time I looked, all the available Vader covers were imports - but they don’t wanna say where from, even when you ask.

Yeah, I’ve heard bad things about the yub yub Ewok theme, but (fortunately?) I didn’t come across that one. Was that another replacement scene or a new addition? I just searched, that was the original ending? I didn't find the "young Anikin" redo, I found the original "older Anikin" version - was the song the same?

[Alan_Grant]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

I have always wondered what the people who had to create things like Jedi Rocks thought about them.

Man kisses his wife goodbye in the morning and says "see you later, honey, I am off to ruin Return Of The Jedi today. See you at dinner."

"I hope to make some 40 year old on the internet complain about Star Wars daily." LOL

Just curious...how many times did you get your head dunked in a toilet in high school?

[Mefan101]

I'm almost 27 years old. I like the Prequels. I prefer Jedi over Empire. I like the Special Editions. If there is a "Worst Kind of Star Wars Fan" category, I can't began to describe how much I don't want to be part of it.

[Alan_Grant]

Originally Posted by Mefan101

I'm almost 27 years old. I like the Prequels. I prefer Jedi over Empire. I like the Special Editions. If there is a "Worst Kind of Star Wars Fan" category, I better not be part of it.

I'd say the "RLM/Lucas raped my childhood" sanction is probably the worst.

I say this as a fan of the PT and RLM, myself. I also don't mind the SE, and would only consider the two changes Lucas made to be truly heinous ones (IE: Rocks in front of R2 and Vader's NOOOOOOO in ROTJ)

[Alan_Grant]

Originally Posted by Caseyscott

Maybe the problem then is he didn't listen to them, when he did during the original trilogy. I'm not saying that's the case for certain, but lots of stuff was removed from the OT that could've made them much worse films, those types of decisions weren't made as effectively with the prequels.

Good thing we now have the "what-if" scenario where Star Wars became a soulless, studio-mandated product so we can see how they turned out.

[Mefan101]

Originally Posted by Alan_Grant

I'd say the "RLM/Lucas raped my childhood" sanction is probably the worst.

I say this as a fan of the PT and RLM, myself. I also don't mind the SE, and would only consider the two changes Lucas made to be truly heinous ones (IE: Rocks in front of R2 and Vader's NOOOOOOO in ROTJ)

I kinda have mixed feelings about Vader yelling no in ROTJ. Slit feelings.

On one hand, it can be considered unnecessary, but on the other, it goes back to the time when he lost Padme. Now he sees his own son on the brink of death, and he doesn't want to lose him, after losing Padme. A sign that Anakin has returned, and Darth Vader is no more. George Lucas once said that it's like poetry. It repeats itself. When Padme died, Anakin died, and Vader was born. When coming back to the light, Vader was gone, and Anakin was reborn.

Or.. no matter what I say, it's indefensible among the fan community, because nobody tried to defend or explain a change like that before, and I'm just wasting my time.

[Alan_Grant]

I don't like it, personally. I don't even like it in ROTS...or Luke's no in ESB.


Quite frankly, I just don't like it when people scream NOOOOOOO in movies.

[Mefan101]

I think this would have to be one of the only changes that I think is completely stupid, and awkward. It doesn't make any sense:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaXgK5HRBjk

Thankfully, it's no longer in the film.

[Alan_Grant]

Oh god, I forgot about that lol

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by Mefan101

I think this would have to be one of the only changes that I think is completely stupid, and awkward. It doesn't make any sense:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaXgK5HRBjk

Thankfully, it's no longer in the film.

That change is absolutely insane. That scream only belongs in a cartoon.

[Caseyscott]

Originally Posted by Alan_Grant

Good thing we now have the "what-if" scenario where Star Wars became a soulless, studio-mandated product so we can see how they turned out.

I don't know who specifically had input in the recent installments, but from what's been posted on this forum it seems like creative decisions are being based on satisfying the largest variety of demographic both domestically and worldwide (the four quadrant approach etc.,) whereas there was a distinctly different source of creative traction in the original trilogy.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by Early Memphis

Yeah, I’ve heard bad things about the yub yub Ewok theme, but (fortunately?) I didn’t come across that one. Was that another replacement scene or a new addition? I just searched, that was the original ending? I didn't find the "young Anikin" redo, I found the original "older Anikin" version - was the song the same?

I was under the impression you canceled an order based solely on Jedi Rocks. My point is that the box set has far more positives that it gives rather than take away.

The digital changes are not all great, but many of them enhance the movies and make them align more.

The way that Lucas intends the movies to be seen and the way they work best with the digital changes are to be seen in order with unprejudiced eyes and ears. I like Young Anakin with the new vision, so did my wife. It makes more sense when you see it the proper way.

Old Anakin, goes with old trilogy...along with Shaw eyebrows full intact despite head and face burnt to a crisp.

If one wants to see it without digital changes, than that should be seek out through laserdisc or other ways.

The YUB YUB song is not on the blury, it is in the original version of Return of the Jedi and I hate it along with the bug eyed woman Emperor in Empire Strikes Back. You should google good digital changes if you are to keep a balanced view. Just my opinion. Sorry about the troubles you went through.

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Originally Posted by crissrudd4554

I honestly don't know why you care what any of us are watching and how we watch it.

This is a discussion board, so I am being scolded because I am debating the merits of owning a great bluray release based on its content beyond some digital changes and this is a problem to you? The title of this thread is Complete Saga and I do not promote it being un-owned. Matter of fact, I promote it and others like it being released. Imagine that?

Lets see, so you think you should have your right to scold me for saying how I feel, but if state my view, than oh no.

I'm entitled to watch my movies any way I choose as you are. But the fact you feel the need to call out those who don't have the same viewing pleasure as you and you are actually bothered by that frankly boggles me.

And you have that right, just like I can criticize a thought process that foolishly believes that just because the same master is used, doesn't mean that the bluray can't be better because there is more space and all that.

I am still trying to figure out your rationale on this. A cassette comes from the same master as bluray audio because there is only one master tape. A transfer is done at high resolution in both cases. Yet there are other advantages than just the source material on why transferring to the superior medium makes sense. I don't know where people get this jacked up way of thinking that somehow a 2K master is some kind of bad thing and not acceptable.

DVD is less than 1K FACT. It compresses movies to hell and has nowhere near the benefits of bluray in this capacity. To say they come from the same master is to say that a Ford Escort is the same as Porsche because they both are made from the metal and rubber and plastic...etc.

Leave them alone. Watch the movies the way you want. To put it bluntly I'm in a minority. The BDs aside from the HD quality are the same as the DVDs.

How about you worry about yourself? What are you, a public defender? BTW, not saying you should or shouldn't worry, but just showing your hypocritical thinking.

PS I mentioned DeSpecialized which is an HD version and a major plus over the non-anamorphic DVD!

So wait a second, you are promoting a bootleg and you think this is more acceptable. A few notes. That bootleg actually stole from the blurays. The only "HD" content is what came fromt the bluray (well sorta, there was some 8mm sources used too which is a whole other discussion).

But there were also some horrible issues of bad pastes and jittery messes that render the bootleg visually obsolete in a million ways. However, for you to applaud it when it is 90+% the bluray source is laughable at best.

The Complete Saga which is a well done bluray set is something I am going to promote and discuss. The point I was making is that there is so much more to it. And you think I shouldn't have that right.

It is one thing not to own something, it is another to imply no value and advertise it as such and in your case promote bootlegs instead! BTW, if I was wanting anything it would be a SCAN OF THE ORIGINAL NEGATIVE, not a cut and paste job from a bluray and DVD sources. I AM NOT LOOKING FOR SUCH A THING BECAUSE I AM WELL AWARE OF ITS EXISTENCE.

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Mefan,

I like all Nooooo's....matter of fact anyone complaining about No's in Star Wars movies needs to quit watching before they lose it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_rc4ltH27A

[dallywhitty]

The celebration music at the end of Jedi is probably the only Special Edition alteration that I really like. Everything else can get the **** out.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

The celebration music at the end of Jedi is probably the only Special Edition alteration that I really like. Everything else can get the **** out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rs_re-releases

Bold statement, considering there was 60+ changes to the films before the special editions came out.

Thank goodness for fans that care so we can choose which version we want.

[Ben Reilly]

Was anything announced at SWCelebration?

[Amano]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rs_re-releases

Bold statement, considering there was 60+ changes to the films before the special editions came out.

Thank goodness for fans that care so we can choose which version we want.

Where are the 60 changes? Do you count the small audio differences between the different mixes (35 mm vs 70 mm)? Those weren't changes made afterwards. They worked on both tracks in parrallel and sometimes happened to use different takes or forgot to add a line to one of those mixes.

To compare some small audio differences between two mixes to the bad and over-obvious digital bricolage to movies from the 70s (not just Star Wars, but also THX) is hilarious.

Super obvious CGI is out of place in any movie from the 70s and early 80s.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by Amano

Where are the 60 changes? Do you count the small audio differences between the different mixes (35 mm vs 70 mm)? Those weren't changes made afterwards. They worked on both tracks in parrallel and sometimes happened to use different takes or forgot to add a line to one of those mixes.

To compare some small audio differences between two mixes to the bad and over-obvious digital bricolage to movies from the 70s (not just Star Wars, but also THX) is hilarious.

Super obvious CGI is out of place in any movie from the 70s and early 80s.

Change is change, and no there wasn't just small audio differences. There was color timing, visual wipes, outright cropping differences, panning differences, and in some cases there have been rumored scenes dropped from theatrical release. The 70mm audio was done months after, it was not done at the same time.

You can call this "hilarious" (like me laughing about you thinking there is a special 70mm crew happening at the same time as Star War 35mm crew!!), but the point is that yes, there are some people that want to preserve the audio as it was widely seen..but which one. For me the 70mm surround and the mono are defacto for the orignal 35mm print....outside of the new version requiring the new soundtrack.

And no those aren't "small changes" in my book, and thankfully a lot of those changes were brought back for the new releases.

The point was that Lucas always fiddled with the movies in one way or another, and when he got more money, he did more changes.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by Ben Reilly

Was anything announced at SWCelebration?

About the UOT? Nope.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by Amano

Where are the 60 changes? Do you count the small audio differences between the different mixes (35 mm vs 70 mm)? Those weren't changes made afterwards. They worked on both tracks in parrallel and sometimes happened to use different takes or forgot to add a line to one of those mixes.

To compare some small audio differences between two mixes to the bad and over-obvious digital bricolage to movies from the 70s (not just Star Wars, but also THX) is hilarious.

Super obvious CGI is out of place in any movie from the 70s and early 80s.

Change is change, and no there wasn't just small audio differences. There was color timing, visual wipes, outright cropping differences, panning differences, and in some cases there have been rumored scenes dropped from theatrical release.

You can call this "hilarious", but the point is that yes, there are some people that want to preserve the audio as it was widely seen..but which one. For me the 70mm surround and the mono are defacto for the orignal 35mm print....outside of the new version requiring the new soundtrack.

And no those aren't "small changes" in my book, and thankfully a lot of those changes were brought back for the new releases.

The point was that Lucas always fiddled with the movies in one way or another, and when he got more money, he did more changes.

You see, it isn't the fact that Lucas make changes (like Episode IV title or re-filming a Darth Vader get away ending), it is OT fans that want to pick and choose instead of saying, yes all change is wrong. Of course it isn't...but they will believe that religion to the end of time saying "I want the original version"...yeah, which one?

[Rodney-2187]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

You see, it isn't the fact that Lucas make changes (like Episode IV title or re-filming a Darth Vader get away ending), it is OT fans that want to pick and choose instead of saying, yes all change is wrong. Of course it isn't...but they will believe that religion to the end of time saying "I want the original version"...yeah, which one?

I'll take anything before the 1997 special editions.