Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

If Lucas wasn't satisfied with how Star Wars turned out because the technology wasn't invented yet for what he wanted to do, he never should've made the film.

Edit: Or he should've waited to make the film.

So he should have projected what would happen in the future?

Is a man not allowed to change his mind?

He made the originals available in the limited releases, and told everyone of his intentions. There are some artists that haven't even done that (see director's versions that have superceded older examples and were pulled from public view forever).

George Lucas obviously wanted to bankroll his idea and put the version that he compromised out until he made enough money to do what he really wanted. He may not have even known how much he cared about Star Wars until he wrote more.

I say this most respectfully, but is it not his creation and well within his rights to do?

Stanley Kubrick pulled A Clockwork Orange from distribution in the UK and likely never would have been put back out while he was alive. Yet at one point he obviously did want it out there. Though this is an example of very different reasons, the point is still similar. The artist changed their mind.

It is very dangerous thinking to say or even imply that they should not have that right.

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Originally Posted by Martoto

George Lucas has a habit of narrating his tendency to change his mind or alter things as if the previous iteration was something the audience was never meant to see.

When did George Lucas ever say that the Star Wars movies were not meant to be seen? I don't think anyone would take a comment like that seriously considering the widespread distribution that he made happen.

I do think there are examples like the "boxes" around the Tie Fighters were not meant to be seen. I think the crappy matte painting were an obvious compromise...

Again, is a man not allowed to change his mind?

Facts are this (myself included). You make decisions all the time based on your point in life. You compromise and perhaps are a bit hand tied to get by (or perhaps are seen by some as dishonest, but are truly making the best decision you can with the resources you have available).

George Lucas wrote Star Wars with placeholders constantly with hopes of one day being able to film it differently.

You can see a prime example of this with the Jabba scene. While he didn't know that Jabba was going to be some huge slug, it is apparent that the man that was filmed was not going to be the final version. It was non-optimal effort, and while I don't think the scene would have ever worked as it was filmed, it is still GEORGE'S CHOICE to put it back in.

In other words he's an artist that can't say. "I don't want that. I want this." or "I don't want that anymore.. I want this now."

Uh, no. He is a person that has the rights to do what he wants to his own property. Some feel that right should have been taken away from him.

I find it a bit insulting when he tells us the audience they were never supposed to see something in the first place and it's too bad they've got attached to it.

And perhaps he finds it a bit insulting that some people feel that he shouldn't have his opinion ON HIS WORK AND HOW IT IS PERCEIVED and his right to enforce that view.

Of course I don't think most people are so insulted that they don't buy his work. Every special edition has succeeded quite well.

Yet there was George catering to the cry babies by putting out the non-special editions time and time again...and yet that still isn't enough.

(Except for obvious photographic or production flaws, which, perversely, have not been eliminated from his original trilogy and even justified by claiming that some fans like those imperfections.)

Well I know I liked the head bump of the Stromtrooper. I even liked how George made that bump louder. And??? George can keep whatever he likes. It is his work, and if you look at contracts that were likely signed, there may be aspects that he decided which will always be his.

*in the middle of writing this and found out my aunt died. I doubt I will ever get to finish this like I intended. So excuse me while I buck out.

[Shin sam]

Imagine Jimi Hendrix had decided to rerecord all of his work but this time using a kazoo? Claiming he only had a guitar to hand but it was always intended to be a kazoo. Then, removing all previous work, never to be made available again? Even when fans are screaming wtf!

[Harry Güchenschlong]

Harmy's despecialized editions look fine in my collection for now. If there is ever an official UOT blu ray available, even better.

Question (and perhaps off topic): at the beginning of episode 4 on the star destroyer, why does an officer say "hold your fire, there's no life forms on board" referring to the escape pod? I mean, is it like the empire couldn't AFFORD to shoot a couple rounds at it for cryin' out loud? THAT GUY in my opinion is the reason that the empire ended up losing the war with the rebellion... if he weren't such a doofus right there, the war was over forever. Yep, officer doofus blew everything for the empire in that one cheapskate moment.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Harry Güchenschlong

Harmy's despecialized editions look fine in my collection for now. If there is ever an official UOT blu ray available, even better.

Question (and perhaps off topic): at the beginning of episode 4 on the star destroyer, why does an officer say "hold your fire, there's no life forms on board" referring to the escape pod? I mean, is it like the empire couldn't AFFORD to shoot a couple rounds at it for cryin' out loud? THAT GUY in my opinion is the reason that the empire ended up losing the war with the rebellion... if he weren't such a doofus right there, the war was over forever. Yep, officer doofus blew everything for the empire in that one cheapskate moment.

He was probably trained that way. You have to realize that in the Star Wars universe droids rarely carry anything valuable.

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

So he should have projected what would happen in the future?

Is a man not allowed to change his mind?

Nobody said that he couldn't change his mind. We're talking about his tendency to say that what he's done now is right and what he did then was wrong but he somehow.

He made the originals available in the limited releases, and told everyone of his intentions. There are some artists that haven't even done that (see director's versions that have superceded older examples and were pulled from public view forever).

This isn't a Lucas bashing thread because he decided to make changes. There's no need to resort to "whatabout"ery because other movies have been altered. We're talking about Lucas's express attitudes to the availability of his work as he intended or did not intend but showed to us anyway.

He may not have even known how much he cared about Star Wars until he wrote more.

I would say it was until he realised how lucrative it could be.

I say this most respectfully, but is it not his creation and well within his rights to do?

I say this not so respectfully. IT's utterly perverse to ask this question and then, later, challenge my comments that Lucas's prerogative as the artist are self evident and do no need to be defined by his revisionist notions of propriety of what the audience should see and//or like.

When did George Lucas ever say that the Star Wars movies were not meant to be seen?

It's quite simple. If he says that the special editions are as you were meant to see them when originally released, and removes the originally released versions from distribution, then the dialectics are that your are not and were not meant to see those versions.

I don't think anyone would take a comment like that seriously considering the widespread distribution that he made happen.

What does that mean? You do realise that we are pointing out the irony that is implied with his present attitude to movies that he doesn't consider to be showable to an audience now without significant changes, but which were outrageously successful in their original form.

I do think there are examples like the "boxes" around the Tie Fighters were not meant to be seen. I think the crappy matte painting were an obvious compromise...

Again, is a man not allowed to change his mind?

Nobody is arguing about him changing his mind. We are talking about his often spurious claims he's changed it back to what he claims he really wanted in 77, 80 and 82.

George Lucas wrote Star Wars with placeholders constantly with hopes of one day being able to film it differently.

Nonsense. Fantasy. The changes in the 97 SEs were trial runs for the CG to be used in Episode I and beyond. Fox wanted a 20th Ann re-release. Lucas's condition was that Fox paid for the SE work.

Uh, no. He is a person that has the rights to do what he wants to his own property. Some feel that right should have been taken away from him.

Are you being deliberately perverse. I'm saying that the only justification he needed for changing things are that he's the artist. It's his choice. Why you're chucking the "taking his right away" fantasy strawman at me is a mystery.

And perhaps he finds it a bit insulting that some people feel that he shouldn't have his opinion ON HIS WORK AND HOW IT IS PERCEIVED and his right to enforce that view.

The comments in question have nothing to do with his opinion about his own work or whether he's entitled to now, which he of course is. We're talking about his insulting way of telling the audience what they should and should not have liked.

(By the way, the artist is not the best judge of their own work. Not what we're discussing here at all. But it is important to remember.)

Of course I don't think most people are so insulted that they don't buy his work. Every special edition has succeeded quite well.

Totally different argument. Many Star Wars fans would queue up and pay to be insulted by George Lucas. And they'd be perfectly entitled to have an opinion on that too.

Yet there was George catering to the cry babies by putting out the non-special editions time and time again...and yet that still isn't enough.

Only once in any of the current formats. Over ten years. And in arguably worse PQ than it was when it was last released on VHS.

Well I know I liked the head bump of the Stromtrooper. I even liked how George made that bump louder. And??? George can keep whatever he likes. It is his work, and if you look at contracts that were likely signed, there may be aspects that he decided which will always be his.

Yeah he can do whatever he likes. He cannot tell the audience what to like and not like and use it as justification for willfully sandbagging his and other people's efforts simply to enhance the stature of his revisions.

Doesn't it bother you that he essentially needs to tell the audience that the originals were no good to ensure that his revisions are accepted as the de facto versions?

"It’s like this is the movie I wanted it to be, and I’m sorry if you saw half a completed film and fell in love with it,”

He has to crap on the originals and their audience in order to justify his already earned position of author. Which is a shame.

Considering he has also said that movies are never completed, his only response to anyone who telss him that they think the current versions of Star Wars are brilliant is "But they are only partially complete. Sorry that you fell in love with them."

[Panama Jack]

Originally Posted by Harry Güchenschlong

Harmy's despecialized editions look fine in my collection for now. If there is ever an official UOT blu ray available, even better.

Question (and perhaps off topic): at the beginning of episode 4 on the star destroyer, why does an officer say "hold your fire, there's no life forms on board" referring to the escape pod? I mean, is it like the empire couldn't AFFORD to shoot a couple rounds at it for cryin' out loud? THAT GUY in my opinion is the reason that the empire ended up losing the war with the rebellion... if he weren't such a doofus right there, the war was over forever. Yep, officer doofus blew everything for the empire in that one cheapskate moment.

If they didn't have that scene, then many would consider it a plot hole and ask why the Princess didn't just jump aboard an escape pod and go find Obi-Wan herself. So by having it, they showed that the Empire was watching for escape pods.

But then, that created another problem as to why they wouldn't just shoot it down. I assume as they were writing it they came up with the "no life forms" line as a way to get around that.

[Chiyo_chichi]

Originally Posted by Panama Jack

If they didn't have that scene, then many would consider it a plot hole and ask why the Princess didn't just jump aboard an escape pod and go find Obi-Wan herself. So by having it, they showed that the Empire was watching for escape pods.

But then, that created another problem as to why they wouldn't just shoot it down. I assume as they were writing it they came up with the "no life forms" line as a way to get around that.

Plus, the Empire did follow up. An escape pod with no lifeforms aboard should just sit wherever it crashed. It should have been an easy pick up for the patrol that went after it.

I always had the impression that the Empire needed to secure the plans, not get rid of them. I mean really, if they really wanted to, why even seize the rebel ship at the beginning at all. The star destroyer was more than capable of just blowing it to pieces. Problem solved. "What? A diplomatic ship has gone missing? Huh...".

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by Martoto

This isn't a Lucas bashing thread because he decided to make changes. There's no need to resort to "whatabout"ery because other movies have been altered. We're talking about Lucas's express attitudes to the availability of his work as he intended or did not intend but showed to us anyway.

Thanks for your patience while I took care of some things and didn't feel like deleting what I wrote.

You say this isn't a Lucas bashing thread...and then bash him. lol. As for it not being that way, please read up on the 100's of pages where it is exactly that.

[quoteI would say it was until he realised how lucrative it could be.[/quote]

Didn't I just say that? And the issue is what again? Should he now not get paid for his work. Not saying you said this..but the implication shows this to be fault since you felt the need to clarify it.

I say this not so respectfully. IT's utterly perverse to ask this question and then, later, challenge my comments that Lucas's prerogative as the artist are self evident and do no need to be defined by his revisionist notions of propriety of what the audience should see and//or like.

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It's quite simple. If he says that the special editions are as you were meant to see them when originally released, and removes the originally released versions from distribution, then the dialectics are that your are not and were not meant to see those versions.

There was nothing perverse about asking a question and then providing my view. I never pointed you out in specific and this idea that you know what is going on in Lucas head...well I won't call it perverse, but it is simply not correct. Only he knows his reasons and you can choose to believe him or not. But what you will not be able to do is KNOW.

Look at your conclusion above. So he has the movies removed so that means it was never meant to be seen? Say what??? What kind of logic is that.

So George Foreman puts out a Grill design that he decides isn't as good years later. He has them recalled and brings out one he thinks is an improvement. By your rationale George never MEANT for them to be seen. BZZZZZ Wrong.

Of course the difference between an Artist and a manufacturer is that we won't have these kind of conclusions about the conspiracy of a new model.

What does that mean? You do realise that we are pointing out the irony that is implied with his present attitude to movies that he doesn't consider to be showable to an audience now without significant changes, but which were outrageously successful in their original form.

What does success have to do with what he wants now? Hmmmm so a bunch of people decide to give out awards, a bunch of fans spend money...so therefore this dictates that he says his movie were not showable before!!!

Uh no...he liked them before, and he likes his version better now. It isn't rocket science.

Nobody is arguing about him changing his mind. We are talking about his often spurious claims he's changed it back to what he claims he really wanted in 77, 80 and 82.

Again, assuming what is going on inside his head.

Nonsense. Fantasy. The changes in the 97 SEs were trial runs for the CG to be used in Episode I and beyond. Fox wanted a 20th Ann re-release. Lucas's condition was that Fox paid for the SE work.

Again more claims instead of looking at what was actually there. So Fox paid him...and??

Are you being deliberately perverse. I'm saying that the only justification he needed for changing things are that he's the artist. It's his choice. Why you're chucking the "taking his right away" fantasy strawman at me is a mystery.

Look, there is no need for you to act like this because I disagree with you. Not only do you have a fetish for the "perverse" words, but now you are assigning more crap to me when I was making general statements.

As far as I know you are criticizing his intentions. I am stating that there are people that would literally try to hurt him because they don't get what they want. I am not saying you are one of these crackpots, but you are getting a might testy for just disagreeing with you.

The comments in question have nothing to do with his opinion about his own work or whether he's entitled to now, which he of course is. We're talking about his insulting way of telling the audience what they should and should not have liked.

(By the way, the artist is not the best judge of their own work. Not what we're discussing here at all. But it is important to remember.)

I don't know where you get this concept that an artist cannot be the best judge of their work. It happens all the time and there are tons of artist in film that write/direct/edit...and yes JUDGE.

You take it as an insult, I take it as the truth. Lucas made the original available for a number of years. Only a crybaby would say, but it just have to be the way I want it or nothing!!!! Not saying you are this, but some people need to get a grip.

Totally different argument. Many Star Wars fans would queue up and pay to be insulted by George Lucas. And they'd be perfectly entitled to have an opinion on that too.

Have I said otherwise?

Only once in any of the current formats. Over ten years. And in arguably worse PQ than it was when it was last released on VHS.

From 1977 to 2006 some form of the orignal trilogy has been made available. This is a big AND???

Lucas is not in debt to you to keep your childhood rainbows in Imax quality.

Yeah he can do whatever he likes. He cannot tell the audience what to like and not like and use it as justification for willfully sandbagging his and other people's efforts simply to enhance the stature of his revisions.

Good, I am glad you get it. And the "fans" can keep crying. Or they could just give it a rest and accept the fact that yes Lucas did what he wanted with his creation.

Doesn't it bother you that he essentially needs to tell the audience that the originals were no good to ensure that his revisions are accepted as the de facto versions?

Nope not at all. It is obvious there is a big fan base of the original trilogy. This is news to you? Of course those numbers are shrinking.

"It’s like this is the movie I wanted it to be, and I’m sorry if you saw half a completed film and fell in love with it,”

He has to crap on the originals and their audience in order to justify his already earned position of author. Which is a shame.

Considering he has also said that movies are never completed, his only response to anyone who telss him that they think the current versions of Star Wars are brilliant is "But they are only partially complete. Sorry that you fell in love with them."

I think he is sorry. That is why he put them out in limited form after essentially giving every salivating fanboy a chance. I say you snooze you lose...or you find other means.

Now in closing, attacking me isn't going to change the facts. Sorry to bring you the bad news/facts.

Of course you could keep whining about it and polluting a thread that is supposed to be about the bluray release.

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Shin sam,

I have no doubt there would be "fans" crying about it. I say if Jimi Hendrix is still alive, I am interested in knowing exactly why he is doing it, and I will damn well listen

A kazoo is a stretch...though he is a great artist, so only a fool would not at least pay attention.

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Harry Güchenschlong,

There is better versions out there. But to each his own.

I do appreciate someone talking about the actual movies though!

To me, they hold fire because they were programmed to get rid of evidence of PEOPLE escaping.

As escape pod with nothing in it would not make sense to an Empire that believes droids are to serve their master.

Also they are trying to keep face that they are trying to get prisoners. Letting the escape pod go and retrieving it later is an alibi...if it was a problem.

Finally, they want the plans, not some blown up version of it. If a person has the plans, then at least they got rid of the person with it. A person fleeing and getting away is far more important than the plans...but the plans intact to be sure is also important, which is why it is no big deal to go and get them if needed.

Of course your assessment that they are idiots is perfectly acceptable to me too. Of course a Dark Lord that chokes you out with the drop of a hat is not exactly one that promotes clear thinking either. I call it government bureaucracy. "They said to kill people in escape pods...well there are no people." Case closed.

[AllOuttaBubbleGum]

What with a single shot fix being applied to the infamous, 'crossed blades of fury' scene (before the cackling Emperor) in 'Jedi,' why not a batch edit of frames for other saber sequences badly damaged by Lowry's contrast leveling? They might need to do entire scenes--the drastically dimmed duel in the carbon freeze chamber, for example--but as long as they were consistent, it wouldn't be jarring. Cheaper, for sure, than the apparently abandoned overhaul tried for the Vader/Kenobi clash in A New Hope...

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Harry Güchenschlong

Harmy's despecialized editions look fine in my collection for now. If there is ever an official UOT blu ray available, even better.

Question (and perhaps off topic): at the beginning of episode 4 on the star destroyer, why does an officer say "hold your fire, there's no life forms on board" referring to the escape pod? I mean, is it like the empire couldn't AFFORD to shoot a couple rounds at it for cryin' out loud? THAT GUY in my opinion is the reason that the empire ended up losing the war with the rebellion... if he weren't such a doofus right there, the war was over forever. Yep, officer doofus blew everything for the empire in that one cheapskate moment.

Family Guy is maybe not the best source for narrative criticism. Elvis is right -- if they had blown the pod, they'd never know what happened to the plans. Seems prudent. Otherwise, why didn't the Empire simply blast the crippled Tantive into smithereens...? They wanted the data plans back. Of course, the Rebellion could have just open-sourced the data and broadcast it all over the place, but maybe Alderran hadn't paid their WiFi bill.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Family Guy is maybe not the best source for narrative criticism. Elvis is right -- if they had blown the pod, they'd never know what happened to the plans. Seems prudent. Otherwise, why didn't the Empire simply blast the crippled Tantive into smithereens...? They wanted the data plans back. Of course, the Rebellion could have just open-sourced the data and broadcast it all over the place, but maybe Alderran hadn't paid their WiFi bill.

Are you kidding with that Empire firewire net.

Those plans are like the Arrow bluray of today. Keep it off the digital stream and its contents are more valuable.

Besides, why lets some other rebellion "take all the credit and get all the reward"

P.s. I never got that Leia line where she said "I always knew there was more to you than money"....you mean when he said exactly that a few seconds before?

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

Thanks for your patience while I took care of some things and didn't feel like deleting what I wrote.

You say this isn't a Lucas bashing thread...and then bash him.

Do you understand how a sentence works? A written sentence that is? Or a paragraph?

Or do you always just cherry pick clauses that you want to dispute in spite of the context?

I said we weren't bashing Luacs for his decision or his right to change things. We were talking about the BS he spouts to undermine people's affinity for work he wants to pretend never existed.


lol. As for it not being that way, please read up on the 100's of pages where it is exactly that.

Didn't I just say that?

No. You didn't.

There was nothing perverse about asking a question and then providing my view. I never pointed you out in specific and this idea that you know what is going on in Lucas head...well I won't call it perverse, but it is simply not correct. Only he knows his reasons and you can choose to believe him or not. But what you will not be able to do is KNOW.

Look at your conclusion above. So he has the movies removed so that means it was never meant to be seen? Say what??? What kind of logic is that.

What is this gibberish supposed to mean? That we can't criticise what Lucas says because we don't know what he really thinks? Are you ordinarily mental, or one of these Lucas lunatics that would argue that it's both Thursday and Saturday at the same time if Lucas said so?

o George Foreman puts out a Grill design that he decides isn't as good years later. He has them recalled and brings out one he thinks is an improvement. By your rationale George never MEANT for them to be seen. BZZZZZ Wrong.

Recall? Jesus! A recall means refunding purchasers of faulty goods. If George Lucas wanted to buy back all the enjoyment people got from films he no longer wants us to see then maybe you're ludicrous point may have relevance.

Of course the difference between an Artist and a manufacturer is that we won't have these kind of conclusions about the conspiracy of a new model.

Conspiracy? Have some dignity.

What does success have to do with what he wants now? Hmmmm so a bunch of people decide to give out awards, a bunch of fans spend money...so therefore this dictates that he says his movie were not showable before!!!

Uh no...he liked them before, and he likes his version better now. It isn't rocket science.



Again, assuming what is going on inside his head.



Again more claims instead of looking at what was actually there. So Fox paid him...and??

And your assumption of Lucas's intent are fantasy and at odds with what he said he himself, which changes to whatever discourages anyone from arguing against what he wants to do, which often changes too.

As far as I know you are criticizing his intentions.

That's due to your apparent inability to comprehend when someone states, repeatedly, that they are criticising Lucas's constantly revising backstory to why you saw what when and why you shouldn't want to see it now.

I don't know where you get this concept that an artist cannot be the best judge of their work. It happens all the time and there are tons of artist in film that write/direct/edit...

I don't care how often it happens. It is an established truth that an artist is not the best judge of how their work is perceived.

You take it as an insult, I take it as the truth.

Do you ordinarily like other people telling you what you think or should think and how you should think it? Or is it just when Lucas tells you?

Have I said otherwise?

You invoked the successful sales of the SE and so on as some sort of vindication of Lucas's attitude towards fan's affinity with the supposedly half finished versions.

From 1977 to 2006 some form of the orignal trilogy has been made available. This is a big AND???

Lucas is not in debt to you to keep your childhood rainbows in Imax quality.

This is a blu ray forum. Why would we be celebrating the fact that something is NOT available in the current format? Why would you come here to endorse someone else's bullshit arguments for people not wanting them?


You're clearly a moron who would probably smash themselves in the face with a hammer Lucas said that it was the way he always intended for you to enjoy Star Wars.

[reason108]

I had this crazy dream that George sold SW to Disney. Glad to know that was just a dream and we can get back to pestering him about which version of SW that he really intended for us to see.

Honestly, I think it is a dead issue now as far as what George did or did not intend. We know what happened. We know how it turned out. Kathleen will probably continue to honor George`s wishes. And, possibly, none of us will live long enough to see the original theatrical trilogy on blu-ray or UHD. Or, maybe we will! Only Yoda knows at this point. And, he ain`t talking!

[Dreamliner330]

Originally Posted by reason108

I had this crazy dream that George sold SW to Disney. Glad to know that was just a dream and we can get back to pestering him about which version of SW that he really intended for us to see.

I hope your sitting down...


Honestly though, I just want a really expensive and thorough remaster of the originals. None of the first 6 look very good on Blu-ray. They could all look way better on Blu-ray, let alone UHD.

[Martoto]

The current status is that there is no arrangement between Lucasfilm and Lucas that determines which versions are made available to the public.

But there are no plans at the moment to do anything further to the films.


The first part of that is moot if the versions currently on blu-ray are the only versions that possibly could be made available.

The second point would suggest that reconfiguring the neg to any other version is not on the cards.

[Chiyo_chichi]

Copyright and distribution laws, and treaties aside

[Show spoiler]make them sign it

I can see the UOT trilogy coming out in UHD. Unfortunately, not to sound morbid, but I really can't see it happening while Lucas is alive. It doesn't seem like he wants a whole lot to do with Star Wars these days except taking credit for it's creation. I doubt he's going to relent to make fanboys happy when he lists them as the reason for selling Star Wars.

Even in a few years if Kathleen is clear legally to sell the UHDs of 4-6, Lucas would most likely start giving far worse PR about Disney than white slavers. Their relationship with George is somewhat rocky, I doubt they want to completely go against his wishes. Unless he has a Grinch style change of heart, I don't find it realistic. I can sooner see an 8k distribution of the UOT,OTSE, PQ, and ST megaset as a "tribute" to Lucas decades from now. Just in time for the Episode 10 premiere?

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by Martoto

If George Lucas wanted to buy back all the enjoyment people got from films he no longer wants us to see then maybe you're ludicrous point may have relevance.

Recalls are not always faulty. You can recall a product simply because you don't like a design. You obviously would have to pay for that, unless you can convince the distributors that you stand to make more money. Lucas has done just fine.

This is but one example that I would have shut you down, over and over. In the end, no one cares where it just pollutes a thread.

Are you ordinarily mental, or one of these Lucas lunatics that would argue that it's both Thursday and Saturday at the same time if Lucas said so?

You're clearly a moron who would probably smash themselves in the face with a hammer Lucas said that it was the way he always intended for you to enjoy Star Wars.

I don't know who you think you are, but this behavior is way out of line. While I may be guilty of some sarcasm and general statements, your name calling and threatening behavior has no place in a discussion with me.

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

Recalls are not always faulty. You can recall a product simply because you don't like a design. You obviously would have to pay for that, unless you can convince the distributors that you stand to make more money. Lucas has done just fine.

This is but one example that I would have shut you down, over and over. In the end, no one cares where it just pollutes a thread.
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You could say that according to Lucas, they are faulty. Either way you cannot recall products you've sold to people without compensating them.

Not making something available is not the same as recalling it.

It's fairly cut and dried. Feel free to provide another similarly moronic "shut down".

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by Chiyo_chichi

Copyright and distribution laws, and treaties aside

[Show spoiler]make them sign it

I can see the UOT trilogy coming out in UHD. Unfortunately, not to sound morbid, but I really can't see it happening while Lucas is alive. It doesn't seem like he wants a whole lot to do with Star Wars these days except taking credit for it's creation. I doubt he's going to relent to make fanboys happy when he lists them as the reason for selling Star Wars.

Even in a few years if Kathleen is clear legally to sell the UHDs of 4-6, Lucas would most likely start giving far worse PR about Disney than white slavers. Their relationship with George is somewhat rocky, I doubt they want to completely go against his wishes. Unless he has a Grinch style change of heart, I don't find it realistic. I can sooner see an 8k distribution of the UOT,OTSE, PQ, and ST megaset as a "tribute" to Lucas decades from now. Just in time for the Episode 10 premiere?

Which copyright and distribution laws?

Copyright is owned by Lucasfilm, not Lucas. Kennedy has stated that there is no arrangement, legal or otherwise, between any parties which dictates what versions of which films can be made available.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by Martoto

You could say that according to Lucas, they are faulty. You cannot recall products you've sold to people without compensating them.

Did I ever say in my George Foreman example that George was taking grills out of people's hands? You accuse me of twisting, yet you can't even get this point right. He pulled product back (RECALL) because he didn't like the design and compensated to the distributor accordingly.

In this case, it is promises to make more product along with stock on shelves.

Here lets go back to the quotes. I underlined for you.

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

You can recall a product simply because you don't like a design.

I bolded and underlined for you.

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

You obviously would have to pay for that, unless you can convince the distributors that you stand to make more money.

Now deductive reasoning would tell you that I am referring to the stores not the customers. I hope after pointing this out again you get the concept. Something tells me you will go into another name calling fit.

Why would you feel the need to say what I just said again. Here lets requote for you:

Originally Posted by Martoto

You could say that according to Lucas, they are faulty.

Yes I did. And Lucas being the owner of the product is exactly the one that matters.

You cannot recall products you've sold to people without compensating them.

And why would you repeat this after what I stated above? After underlining would you do the same?

Originally Posted by Martoto

Not making something available is not the same as recalling it.

And did I ever say it was? Go back to my example. The "recall" is the promise, and the stock of material that is still on the shelf. You can have a recall to the distributor without involving the customer at all. You have not heard of this??? So according to you, ever single customer should be throwing a fit like you have because a product has changed from what they bought before?

The George Foreman example is the exact same circumstance. He takes all "bun warmers" (remember that dilly) out of production and makes sure that they are never available again. In many cases just like with Lucas absorbing the limited editions (yes believe it or not there were some Star Wars VHS tapes not sold...same as Laserdiscs). They are absorbed back, and never to be brought out again. If you don't think this happened, than I don't know how anyone can help you.

The reason why you didn't see cutouts (product resold at lower value back to other distributors to clear out stock) of Star Wars is not because they sold so good, it is because Georgie boy didn't want them out there anymore after a length of time.

Did you not remember the mountains of VHS tapes that were in stores...and then POOF gone. Did you think it was some mindnight special that caused them all to be sold?? That my friend is a recall whether you like it or not.

Originally Posted by Martoto

It's fairly cut and dried. Feel free to provide another similarly moronic "shut down".

I did shut you down and now it has happened again. And what did it gain me? A person that would attack ME and disrespect ME because I don't agree with them.

There was nothing "moronic" about what I stated to you. It was actually concise and to the point. This is one example of what should be obvious.

If George Lucas wanted to buy back all the enjoyment people got from films he no longer wants us to see then maybe you're ludicrous point may have relevance.

This honestly is very similar to the George raped my childhood rants. I make an example of a recall and you take it to this extreme even to the point of making personal attacks on me by name calling directed at me and such.

Look, I get it, you have been greatly damaged because you haven't got what you wanted, but does that mean you should throw all common sense out? You aren't even trying to understand what I just wrote about simple business practices, how are you ever going to get the bigger picture?