Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[bobbyh64]

I like The Force Awakens a lot but for anyone who doesn't, you should blame Lucas 100% for it. He sold the rights to Disney knowing that they weren't obligated to use any of his ideas. And it's not like he needed the money; he was already rich as ****. If he didn't want his franchise "tainted" with further sequels not made by him, he shouldn't have sold the rights.

[spanky87]

Originally Posted by kwisatzhaderach

If I had 'fans' who had treated me the way you treated Lucas i'm pretty sure i'd be showing you the middle finger every day. The ultimate middle finger was, of course, selling the franchise to Disney to make endless garbage sequels. If 'The Force Awakens' is the sequel you always wanted from Lucas all I can really do is point and laugh at the sheer idiocy.

Ya, but when you see The Last Jedi on opening weekend, have you decided between IMAX or Dolby Atmos yet?

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

Then why didn't Lucas revert the scene back to having only Han shoot for the Blu-ray? It's hard for me to believe Lucas would feel regretful about a change due to fan outrage. Maybe he just changed his mind again and felt adding Greedo shooting was stupid, but didn't want to admit it. But if he is influenced by fan outrage all he had to do was release the original versions and nobody would care what changes he made to his special editions.

Mr. Lucas is stubborn and proud. Yes, he DID say that if he had known how upset people would be by the Han/Greedo change, he never would have done it. It's true. Absolutely true. That's why there was a further alteration where the two fire almost simultaneously. Almost. He was trying to meet people halfway, but not back down to his (very vocal) critics.

[ParkerAL]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Mr. Lucas is stubborn and proud. Yes, he DID say that if he had known how upset people would be by the Han/Greedo change, he never would have done it. It's true. Absolutely true. That's why there was a further alteration where the two fire almost simultaneously. Almost. He was trying to meet people halfway, but not back down to his (very vocal) critics.

I have a hard time believing this, considering he deliberately trolled Star Wars fans by adding Darth Vader's "NOOOO!" to Return of the Jedi. Surely he knew how much the scene in Revenge of the Sith had been mocked? What else could explain it other than wanting to piss people off?

Sadly, considering how obnoxious many hardcore Star Wars fans are, I can sort of see where he was coming from. Still ruins one of my favorite scenes from any movie, but I get it. Revenge is a dish that is best served cold.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Mr. Lucas is stubborn and proud. Yes, he DID say that if he had known how upset people would be by the Han/Greedo change, he never would have done it. It's true. Absolutely true. That's why there was a further alteration where the two fire almost simultaneously. Almost. He was trying to meet people halfway, but not back down to his (very vocal) critics.

I have never read or heard about. Anybody have a source?

Lucas does what he wants with his work. I do not buy the "revenge" arguement. He liked the noooooo....and so do I.

[Geoff D]

I read the exact same interview not too long ago, he really did say it BUT I can't find said interview so....

And it's interesting that the Greedo scene was tweaked for each SE version too which in itself points to his state of mind re: the change, eventually bringing it back to the point where they almost shoot simultaneously.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Geoff, I won a 60" HDTV two weeks ago...it isn't 4k, it doesn't have 3D, Dolbyvision, etc....the TV I want is about $1200 and gets more expensive by the week, so I had no use for it. No place to put it. No use for it. So I gave it to my in-laws (my father in law is in bad, bad shape, he's thrilled by it, the family thinks I'm a hero when the truth is I had no use for it, so I'm kinda a half-hero)...anyway.

That was really nice of you Ernest Rister. Most people would have flipped it, so you're still a hero!

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I read the exact same interview not too long ago, he really did say it BUT I can't find said interview so....

And it's interesting that the Greedo scene was tweaked for each SE version too which in itself points to his state of mind re: the change, eventually bringing it back to the point where they almost shoot simultaneously.

Ok fair enough.

I do think if he was truly into his decision he would have kept it the same, the tweaking of it makes me lose respect for him.

However his original mindset could work with the Han Solo that we know and love rather than the scoundrel of the first movie.

The problem is the Blu-rays while imperfect still can't be unseen to me, the old trilogy unaltered just doesn't sit well with the prequels to me.

[Lyle_JP]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Mr. Lucas is stubborn and proud. Yes, he DID say that if he had known how upset people would be by the Han/Greedo change, he never would have done it. It's true. Absolutely true. That's why there was a further alteration where the two fire almost simultaneously. Almost. He was trying to meet people halfway, but not back down to his (very vocal) critics.

But he could have simply restored the scene to it's original state. So his pride far outweighed any remorse he had over upsetting fans.

[Panama Jack]

Originally Posted by SarahS

I'm not buying that one iota. He has never shown remorse for anything he has ever done. If he felt that way he would have released the UOT to the fans. All he ever did was give us the middle finger with the wearing of the Han T Shirt.

He did change the scream he had added to Luke's fall in Cloud City after the confrontation with Vader back to the original no scream. Not sure if that qualifies as "remorse" in your book.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by Lyle_JP

But he could have simply restored the scene to it's original state. So his pride far outweighed any remorse he had over upsetting fans.

The new version suddenly changes it to a reaction shot versus a calculated one where the Greedo shot happens a lot earlier.

What it comes down to is that people are complaining because it isn't the change that they want George to do versus George at least making an effort. He should have stuck to his guns and kept it it the way he supposedly wanted it.

[ParkerAL]

For me, the majority of the special edition changes feel like they were made on whims, not from any careful consideration of what would be best for the movies. Ideas popped into Lucas's head, he thought "yeah, that'd be cool" and then threw them in the pot. Then he changed his mind later and had things like the cgi Jabba and Obi-wan's scream tweaked. A man wouldn't do that kind of flip-flopping if he had confidence in his decisions.

[crissrudd4554]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

(a reaction against a warning shot from Greedo), vs the ONLY Han shoots in the original Star Wars which serves the run and only fight when cornered (pre change of heart Solo at end) character which I feel is less heroic.

Presenting your theories as facts again I see. There's no proof it was a warning shot no more than there's any proof it wasn't. We discussed this months ago. Quote a Lucas interview that confirms it was a warning shot and I'll shut up on the matter.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by crissrudd4554

Presenting your theories as facts again I see. There's no proof it was a warning shot no more than there's any proof it wasn't. We discussed this months ago. Quote a Lucas interview that confirms it was a warning shot and I'll shut up on the matter.

I never claimed it as fact. Dellusional troublemaker as always.

Maybe he did have that bad of eyesight maybe just maybe he was really that bad of a shot. However according to a person like you I am not allowed to post how I feel.

The difference between me and others I never once said George Lucas said. Yet who do you attack as usual trying to find trouble where there shouldn't be any. Get a life or just plain get off my back.

P.s. despite the fact that you think we went over it and somehow solved it did you ever bother reading the subtitles to this day ever ever

[crissrudd4554]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

I never claimed it as fact. Dellusional troublemaker as always.

Maybe he did have that bad of eyesight maybe just maybe he was really that bad of a shot. However according to a person like you I am not allowed to post how I feel.

The difference between me and others I never once said George Lucas said. Yet who do you attack as usual trying to find trouble where there shouldn't be any. Get a life or just plain get off my back.

P.s. despite the fact that you think we went over it and somehow solved it did you ever bother reading the subtitles to this day ever ever

Uhh this is what you said.

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

While I have been cussed at, called names and flat out ignored because of the theories, I think the Han shoots second fits better with the full saga (a reaction against a warning shot from Greedo), vs the ONLY Han shoots in the original Star Wars which serves the run and only fight when cornered (pre change of heart Solo at end) character which I feel is less heroic.

I dont see any implication in the bolded part to suggest you gave a theory. Plus the first sentence of the post you said THE theories not YOUR theories.

Second please stop putting words in my mouth. I never at any point said you werent entitled to your opinion and arent allowed to post what you want nor would I. But when your posts appear to word things that seem to put opinion over fact dont get angry when i or others feel the need to question this. For someone who seems almost obssessed with 'getting the facts straight' with everyone here you should know this.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by crissrudd4554

Uhh this is what you said.



I dont see any implication in the bolded part to suggest you gave a theory. Plus the first sentence of the post you said THE theories not YOUR theories.

Second please stop putting words in my mouth. I never at any point said you werent entitled to your opinion and arent allowed to post what you want nor would I. But when your posts appear to word things that seem to put opinion over fact dont get angry when i or others feel the need to question this. For someone who seems almost obssessed with 'getting the facts straight' with everyone here you should know this.

See now I know you've lost your mind first of all you bold where I actually say I think and that isn't enough when it stand to reason that what is in parentheses is what I think!!!

What furthermore makes no sense is you are asking me to show the quote with George and I never once said Lucas said this at all!!

[crissrudd4554]

You put in parentheses it was a warning shot. To me that implies you presented it as fact. Had you said something along the lines 'IMO a warning shot from Greedo with Han giving a reaction shot' this little exchange between us would not be happening.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by crissrudd4554

You put in parentheses it was a warning shot. To me that implies you presented it as fact. Had you said something along the lines 'IMO a warning shot from Greedo with Han giving a reaction shot' this little exchange between us would not be happening.

Well all I can tell you is that no you do not dictate how I post and no you shouldn't be assuming anything if parentheticals are used. It can mean an expansion of something that is stated that does not mean it has to be written from someone else's idea, get that straight this is a very distinct point than most people should understand.

Of course instead of coming on and making a snide comment just to start trouble why not actually ask what do I mean? IMO is redundant (although I do use it quite often). See what I did there?

However the red flag is me not saying George Lucas said or everyone should feel this way or it is an absolute encyclopedia fact!

[crissrudd4554]

Fine. It was a misinterpretation. But again I never said I was gonna dictate what you or anyone said. Calling me a dellusional troublemaker for reading something that almost implies something else was uncalled for. If it means anything I presented the argument incorrectly. Happy?? I've argued with you before but don't seem to recall ever calling you names (feel free to skim through this thread incase I did) so please don't clump me with these name callers you tend to bring up (not saying you did, just saying).

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by crissrudd4554

Fine. It was a misinterpretation. But again I never said I was gonna dictate what you or anyone said. Calling me a dellusional troublemaker for reading something that almost implies something else was uncalled for. If it means anything I presented the argument incorrectly. Happy?? I've argued with you before but don't seem to recall ever calling you names (feel free to skim through this thread incase I did) so please don't clump me with these name callers you tend to bring up (not saying you did, just saying).

Ok fair enough. I apologize completely and will try to use more tact in the future (it wasn't nice of me to say that). Yes I am happy because I'd rather discuss Star Wars then fight thanks