Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by Jakdonark

My wife and daughter were out last night so I was able to spin my definitive LD of Star Wars for a bit. Yes the picture is a bit fuzzy, but the colors still look pretty good and the sound is amazing. I found a set of the limited edition DVDs with the originals recently. I had them awhile ago but sold them, wanted another set for collectors purposes. I'd say the Laserdisc looks better. Lots of digital blocking and frozen grain, at least the LDs look smoother. And that sound! Nice bass in the music and some of the effects. A lot of that is just gone in the 5.1 mix.

As was said above, stuff like Aliens, Tron, Jurassic Park; even with lossless sound being clearer, there is something about those old mixes that just sounds "better", in my opinion of course.

A lot of the original LD have untampered theatrical mixes that are designed for huge speakers. On top of that, many of them are straight up PCM analog.

For me, I never got an RF converter, so I never experienced the compressed Dolby Digital.

The bass on the original Die Hard or Apocalypse Now were just jaw dropping.

However, let us not kid ourselves. The only thing holding BD back is bad mastering, not some absence of ability to get every last bit do data from the LD.

A case in point is the recent un-specialized transfers. The 5.1 mix is taken from the LD and had elements of later mixes..remixed with it.

The results are so incredible that I actually cried with joy when I spliced it to the Star Wars CAPTURE that was done recently (for Mortoto again, not scan, but a camera taking a picture of each frame...sorry for that side note, but this poster cannot seem to grasp this concept).

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I was reading through the recent comments about Star Wars losing steam, or one is losing interest because they have to watch their non-anamorphic DVD, or don't feel like dragging out or tracking down the LD....

And there sits two movies that have cleared over 3 billion after just 2 years? Star Wars is not going anywhere, and this crap about it not getting the same interest because of the non-special versions not being made available commercially is just not right. Star Wars sells like crazy with or without them out there on the racks.

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Been thinking about this Han thing and I want to stress my conclusions even though it pains some posters. First of all IMHO:

Han in Star Wars is clearly a different kind of character. I believe that he truly will jet at the end of the movie based upon his rolling of the eyes looks and annoyances when getting his medals (though he may bang the Princess first. That is my belief. So in lots of ways, his hanging around never made complete sense to me and that is why the best version of Star Wars (for that and many other reasons) stands alone as a masterpiece without A New Hope Crawl.

On a side note, I know this peeves off Empire fans, but it is just how I feel.

Getting that out of the way, lets sum it up again with a youtube clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQDb3DRN0NI

Even in this clip that supports my view, there is a big issue I have. Why can no one...and I mean NO ONE ponder the concept that Greedo shot off a warning shot?

Ok lets back up. Greedo is a Jabba henchman. This is obvious from this photograph of the original Jabba scene.



If you actually pay attention to the dialog Han is being rounded up to be taken to Jabba ALIVE.

Here is an exact quote:

"You can tell that to Jabba. He may only take your ship"

hmmm...is he meaning from the grave? From heaven? Don't be silly. He means exactly what he said....but when in doubt, let us go to the next part.

Han says "over my dead body".

Greedo says "that's the idea"

That tells me he is saying, it is preferable that Jabba may take his ship over his dead body. Greedo cannot wait to take Han to Jabba, and that is that.

The fact that from the pic that there are several Greedo aliens running around is more credibility that Jabba has been scoping the place and he is taking Han. However, if you look close at the deleted scene, Jabba is willing to negotiate and hence Han's more cool collected attitude about the whole thing. In many ways he shot Greedo because Greedo was acting agains Jabba and was willing to take payment to let him go

Again if you pay attention to the subtitles it is quite obvious:

"Jabba's put a price on your head so large every bounty hunter in the galaxy will be looking for you...I'm lucky I found you first"

Han says, "yeah but this time I got the money"

Now lets take a pit stop on that one. Han says THIS TIME. This implies he has been caught before, and has worked out a deal. Again, more credibility that Greedo isn't necessarily going to kill Han.

"If you give it to me, I might forget I found you".

I would take this dialog as Greedo saying that if the price is close enough to the bounty than that is the consideration for letting him go.

To think that Greedo was going to kill Han is pure insanity. There is no evidence to support this claim. If Greedo was going to kill Han, why not just do it as soon as he sees him?

So now we come back to the extra shot that Lucas put in. Notice how Han distracts Greedo by putting his hand up. Greedo shoots that very spot. To me, that is a snarky action to Han's almost boastful way of putting off Greedo. This is not the sign of a guy that is intimidated.

Han was shooting Greedo, no question about that. The only contention to me is WHEN. I think taking a laser blast to the wall would seal the fate. It makes Greedo intimidation tactic a misfire, and Han doesn't change one bit and at the least was jolted into shooting as a reaction.

Of course, to the lovers of Star Wars, this just makes them livid. I mean this changes everything...Han is not the bad ass anyomore!!!

Of course...despite the fact that he may never have been that in the the first place according to first movie alone, and his nature of cutting and running at every turn...uh...wasn't he shooting Greedo no matter what happened? How does this make him cease to be a bad ass? I don't know which is worse, debating about it, or having every fanboy in the universe cry over this detail without ever thinking about even the concept of "Han shoots first" being dead wrong. Han was the only one that shot originally, so there is no "first". It would be like me saying that I am came in first in a race where no one else EVER competed. Son..that isn't a race, that is a timed event at best. Same with Greedo. Han shooting first means Greedo shot second...NOPE.

Take my criticism for what you will, but I think fans overreact. If you look at the big picture, the defensive measure actually fits better with his character if it goes beyond one movie..but of course maybe it is just so much easier to say Greedo is stupid, or has bad eyesight or can't shoot well...or all three and that makes this digital change a bad decision!!!

I think the extra shot, if you really really think about it, makes the gun under the table more palatable. I could see being distracted by a hand and shooting at that hand to get a reaction to what I was saying, if I knew that in killing Han I could have Jabba all over my ass because he is still a decent smuggler and he may have money.

Each to his own, I hope there isn't flames and name calling. I have always wondered what people thought about this after emotions have died down.

[JimSmith]

I agree with Gary Kurtz that the Jabba in the Mos Eisley Spaceport scene never should've been put back in Star Wars for the simple reason that Greedo speaks the same kind of dialogue just a moment before.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by JimSmith

I agree with Gary Kurtz that the Jabba in the Mos Eisley Spaceport scene never should've been put back in Star Wars for the simple reason that Greedo speaks the same kind of dialogue just a moment before.

The repeating of the dialog shows that it is the better scene.

Jabba is better left a mystery, however if he is going to be put back in there had to be a better way to get around Jabba without stepping on him!!

[Josep5349]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

Been thinking about this Han thing and I want to stress my conclusions even though it pains some posters. First of all IMHO:

Han in Star Wars is clearly a different kind of character. I believe that he truly will jet at the end of the movie based upon his rolling of the eyes looks and annoyances when getting his medals (though he may bang the Princess first. That is my belief. So in lots of ways, his hanging around never made complete sense to me and that is why the best version of Star Wars (for that and many other reasons) stands alone as a masterpiece without A New Hope Crawl.

On a side note, I know this peeves off Empire fans, but it is just how I feel.

Getting that out of the way, lets sum it up again with a youtube clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQDb3DRN0NI

Even in this clip that supports my view, there is a big issue I have. Why can no one...and I mean NO ONE ponder the concept that Greedo shot off a warning shot?

Ok lets back up. Greedo is a Jabba henchman. This is obvious from this photograph of the original Jabba scene.

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v27/genesim/DeclanMulholland_as_Jabba_zpswqwvdsib.jpg[/IMG

If you actually pay attention to the dialog Han is being rounded up to be taken to Jabba ALIVE.

Here is an exact quote:

"You can tell that to Jabba. He may only take your ship"

hmmm...is he meaning from the grave? From heaven? Don't be silly. He means exactly what he said....but when in doubt, let us go to the next part.

Han says "over my dead body".

Greedo says "that's the idea"

That tells me he is saying, it is preferable that Jabba may take his ship over his dead body. Greedo cannot wait to take Han to Jabba, and that is that.

The fact that from the pic that there are several Greedo aliens running around is more credibility that Jabba has been scoping the place and he is taking Han. However, if you look close at the deleted scene, Jabba is willing to negotiate and hence Han's more cool collected attitude about the whole thing. In many ways he shot Greedo because Greedo was acting agains Jabba and was willing to take payment to let him go

Again if you pay attention to the subtitles it is quite obvious:

"Jabba's put a price on your head so large every bounty hunter in the galaxy will be looking for you...I'm lucky I found you first"

Han says, "yeah but this time I got the money"

Now lets take a pit stop on that one. Han says THIS TIME. This implies he has been caught before, and has worked out a deal. Again, more credibility that Greedo isn't necessarily going to kill Han.

"If you give it to me, I might forget I found you".

I would take this dialog as Greedo saying that if the price is close enough to the bounty than that is the consideration for letting him go.

To think that Greedo was going to kill Han is pure insanity. There is no evidence to support this claim. If Greedo was going to kill Han, why not just do it as soon as he sees him?

So now we come back to the extra shot that Lucas put in. Notice how Han distracts Greedo by putting his hand up. Greedo shoots that very spot. To me, that is a snarky action to Han's almost boastful way of putting off Greedo. This is not the sign of a guy that is intimidated.

Han was shooting Greedo, no question about that. The only contention to me is WHEN. I think taking a laser blast to the wall would seal the fate. It makes Greedo intimidation tactic a misfire, and Han doesn't change one bit and at the least was jolted into shooting as a reaction.

Of course, to the lovers of Star Wars, this just makes them livid. I mean this changes everything...Han is not the bad ass anyomore!!!

Of course...despite the fact that he may never have been that in the the first place according to first movie alone, and his nature of cutting and running at every turn...uh...wasn't he shooting Greedo no matter what happened? How does this make him cease to be a bad ass? I don't know which is worse, debating about it, or having every fanboy in the universe cry over this detail without ever thinking about even the concept of "Han shoots first" being dead wrong. Han was the only one that shot originally, so there is no "first". It would be like me saying that I am came in first in a race where no one else EVER competed. Son..that isn't a race, that is a timed event at best. Same with Greedo. Han shooting first means Greedo shot second...NOPE.

Take my criticism for what you will, but I think fans overreact. If you look at the big picture, the defensive measure actually fits better with his character if it goes beyond one movie..but of course maybe it is just so much easier to say Greedo is stupid, or has bad eyesight or can't shoot well...or all three and that makes this digital change a bad decision!!!

I think the extra shot, if you really really think about it, makes the gun under the table more palatable. I could see being distracted by a hand and shooting at that hand to get a reaction to what I was saying, if I knew that in killing Han I could have Jabba all over my ass because he is still a decent smuggler and he may have money.

Each to his own, I hope there isn't flames and name calling. I have always wondered what people thought about this after emotions have died down.

The clip completely misses the point, and so do you I think. It's not that Han not shooting first makes him weak, it's that it undermines his development as a character.

When we first meet Han he's a bit of loser, likeable sure, but still a loser. He is selfish and materialistic, uncaring and argumentative. As the film progresses he sees Luke and Leia's spirit; Kenobi's sacrifice, the sadness at his loss; and the Rebellion's willingness to fight against the odds. It all impacts in him, resulting in him returning to save the day. The character is inspired by the camaraderie, the fight for justice against the odds, being part of something bigger - essentially the character was inspired by much of the same things we were as an audience. His character is developed further in Empire as risks his own life to go find Luke on Hoth and later takes one for the team. Then in Jedi he volunteers to lead the mission in Endor and (as stupid as this may sound) he isn't afraid to say sorry. Han came a long way from who he was when we first met him.

Having him shoot first shows what a low point he was at, not just professionally but also as a human being, and when measured against who he became it shows a remarkable journey from zero to hero. Having Han not shoot first undermines that journey. That journey is still there, though initially it has a long way to climb from, that climb has now been reduced, and that's a shame.

[stvn1974]

If nothing else Han ducking away and them shooting at the same time just looks stupid.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by Josep5349

The clip completely misses the point, and so do you I think. It's not that Han not shooting first makes him weak, it's that it undermines his development as a character.

When we first meet Han he's a bit of loser, likeable sure, but still a loser. He is selfish and materialistic, uncaring and argumentative. As the film progresses he sees Luke and Leia's bravery, Kenobi's sacrifice, the Rebellion's willingness to fight against the odds. It all impacts in him, resulting in him returning to save the day. His character is developed further in Empire as risks his own life to go find Luke on Hoth and later takes one for the team. Then in Jedi he volunteers to lead the mission in Endor and (as stupid as this may sound) he isn't afraid to say sorry. Han came a long way from who he was when we first met him.

Having him shoot first shows how low he could go, and when measured against who he became it shows a journey from zero to hero. Having Han not shoot first undermines that journey. That journey is still there, the whreas initially he has a long way to climb from, now the climb is reduced.

I understand completely his journey, and I think the change is stark in Empire (though a bit of time has gone by). By the way, how did the clip miss the point? I think Han's character was dead on, and used stats to prove the point. lol I think the character in Empire was retcon...not that it was a bad thing.

In Star Wars, even at the end, even if he is kinda kidding, his first words when he runs to Luke are "why should I let you take all the credit and all the reward"....hmmm

Now getting back, am I supposed to believe the gun under the table was just for kicks? He was shooting anyway, nothing undermines his "lowness". While Greedo was trying to keep him from running, the facts are that he gave no indication that he would kill him. The placement of the laser was likely a warning shot, but Han was firing anyway. If he wasn't, then he would have announced that he had a gun under the table.

I honestly don't see your point. Before or after, Han was still shooting, and doing it hidden is not "low" in my book, just survival. HOWEVER, it was still hidden and shot either way.

I don't see how either one is a "ZERO". Most anyone would protect themselves if they have a gun on them. Make no mistake, he still put his hand up to misdirect, he still took the shot. Not seeing your logic at all respectfully.

[Mose Harper]

Originally Posted by JimSmith

I agree with Gary Kurtz that the Jabba in the Mos Eisley Spaceport scene never should've been put back in Star Wars for the simple reason that Greedo speaks the same kind of dialogue just a moment before.

Yes, the scene is utterly redundant.

I'll also say, to the cat calls of seven year olds (in 40 year old bodies), that a human Jabba, as originally filmed, would have been infinitely more menacing than that silly, immobile rubber puppet.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by Mose Harper

Yes, the scene is utterly redundant.

I'll also say, to the cat calls of seven year olds (in 40 year old bodies), that a human Jabba, as originally filmed, would have been infinitely more menacing than that silly, immobile rubber puppet.

I don't know about that actor...or that scene...but yes, I think Jabba as a huge slug as opposed to a human is a bit over the top and one of the many reasons why I don't think Return is near the greatness of the first two...matter of fact, it is also in part why I put the movie below Revenge of the Sith and to even bigger cat calls..maybe just maybe below The Phantom Menace!

Ewoks, Han being a total wuss, and the whole first sequence, and Leia just not looking as good as the original movie...yup, I said it.

But Star Wars any of them are like Pizza. When you get to the upper echelon of cool, it really is splitting hairs.

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Originally Posted by stvn1974

If nothing else Han ducking away and them shooting at the same time just looks stupid.

In the bluray version it looks pretty smooth to me. I like to slide and shoot when I am pulling a maneuver under the table...but that is what she said.

[Josep5349]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

I understand completely his journey, and I think the change is stark in Empire (though a bit of time has gone by). By the way, how did the clip miss the point? I think Han's character was dead on, and used stats to prove the point. lol I think the character in Empire was retcon...not that it was a bad thing.

In Star Wars, even at the end, even if he is kinda kidding, his first words when he runs to Luke are "why should I let you take all the credit and all the reward"....hmmm

Now getting back, am I supposed to believe the gun under the table was just for kicks? He was shooting anyway, nothing undermines his "lowness". While Greedo was trying to keep him from running, the facts are that he gave no indication that he would kill him. The placement of the laser was likely a warning shot, but Han was firing anyway. If he wasn't, then he would have announced that he had a gun under the table.

I honestly don't see your point. Before or after, Han was still shooting, and doing it hidden is not "low" in my book, just survival. HOWEVER, it was still hidden and shot either way.

I don't see how either one is a "ZERO". Most anyone would protect themselves if they have a gun on them. Make no mistake, he still put his hand up to misdirect, he still took the shot. Not seeing your logic at all respectfully.

The clip gives an accurate description but reached the wrong conclusion, i.e. Thinking that the audience can't handle the thought of him being weak and flawed. (I'll assume you're just kidding about the reward comment)

He has a gun under the table because he knows he's a wanted man. Having a gun under the table to protect himself is far more understandable than having a gun under the table to shoot anyone who gives him shit. The later makes him more of a zero.

[Gold Ranger]

Y'all need to rewatch and relisten to Empire...
Han is still the same selfish prig he was in ANH. He was leaving and was turning his back on the Rebellion. He was on his way to pay back Jabba but the Empire stormed the Rebel Base forcing him to join u with the Rebellion again. He only joined the Rebellion because of Leia. Hell, he didn't even join them until RotJ!

[Josep5349]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

Y'all need to rewatch and relisten to Empire...
Han is still the same selfish prig he was in ANH. He was leaving and was turning his back on the Rebellion. He was on his way to pay back Jabba but the Empire stormed the Rebel Base forcing him to join u with the Rebellion again. He only joined the Rebellion because of Leia. Hell, he didn't even join them until RotJ!

Of course he was leaving, he had to. Though as it was (prior to the Empire's assault on Hoth) he wasn't running out in them just before a battle. He had hung around and helped for as long as he could, but he had to try to sort things out with Jabba rather than keep running, and killing. If anything it shows a more responsible attitude.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by Josep5349

The clip gives an accurate description but reached the wrong conclusion, i.e. Thinking that the audience can't handle the thought of him being weak and flawed. (I'll assume you're just kidding about the reward comment)

Actually I don't know if I am kidding. I suspect Han could be kidding...but I also could see him taking some money and jetting as he did before.

The greatest westerns (and it does feel like a western) are like real life. The "heroes" are often not working for free. The "godlike" status was made with the rest of the movies..the first movie, not so much. I think the people that hang on to Empire and Return, like seeing Han being perfect and domesticated and this great pilot that would do the nutty things he does. I think the drop the shipment Han is more what I could see.

Now that said, does my view of what Han is the be all end all...of course not. Empire is a masterpiece in its own way, and changes my perception. I can accept that, but I will never truly forget what I think was presented in the first film and no I don't think that Han would turn into what happened later. Strangely the Force Awakens was kinda back to form...kinda..

I agree that the youtube dude came to the wrong conclusion. I don't think Greedo was going to shoot the first chance he got. As I stated, I think he shot for intimidation. It is what you do to someone trying to snake out of a deal. He wasn't trying to kill Han IMHO.

He has a gun under the table because he knows he's a wanted man. Having a gun under the table to protect himself is far more understandable than having a gun under the table to shoot anyone who gives him shit. The later makes him more of a zero.

I think you are overestimating his reasoning. He has a gun under the table to flee as he always does. Shoot and run...and not necessarily in that order. Like the clip states, when cornered, even a coward will fight if given no other choice.

But the fact remains, whether Greedo took a shot or not, Han is still be threatened in some capacity. He isn't just shooting anyone, he is shooting someone that is threatening his life by pointing a dangerous weapon at him. That doesn't make him a zero in my book. That makes him human.

Now if Greedo didn't have the gun, that is another story. Then it is shooting anyone that gives him shit.

I guess we can agree to disagree, but I am still open to your interpretation. I quite like this discussion actually and I certainly welcome anyone that gets to it without it turning into a name calling fest.

p.s. When Han said "i'll bet you have"...Greedo was a goner. How does this change Han's intention? The shot fired by Greedo was reactionary to him leaning.

p.p.s. For those that find fault with the scene...LIKE ME....I have never liked that he is leaning forward...then leaning back. Perhaps after a few more Lucas changes it would have been smoother. lol I never claimed it was perfect.

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Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

Y'all need to rewatch and relisten to Empire...
Han is still the same selfish prig he was in ANH. He was leaving and was turning his back on the Rebellion. He was on his way to pay back Jabba but the Empire stormed the Rebel Base forcing him to join u with the Rebellion again. He only joined the Rebellion because of Leia. Hell, he didn't even join them until RotJ!

Not following this. Han had debts to pay. If the Rebellion really wanted him they should have wired some of that money through a paypal account and marked it as a "gift" to Jabba to set all straight. lol

Han only stayed because he was a love sick puppy. Both counts show him to be a very changed character. I actually laugh a bit every time he says that line about Leia needing him. It is pathetic, and I feel very off character for him.

...no scratch that. Guys are wimps, so maybe I am cringing because I don't want him to be that. What he should be doing is calling her a selfish ass for not understanding him wanting to get the price off his head and pay his bills!

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

In Star Wars, even at the end, even if he is kinda kidding, his first words when he runs to Luke are "why should I let you take all the credit and all the reward"....hmmm

I think he said that because he didn't want to admit that he had changed. Even though he changed for the better, he is still somewhat insecure and thinks admitting that he wanted to help somehow weakens his cool, not-giving-a-sh** attitude.

Edit: Either that or, as you say, he was just joking to sort of make fun of his previous way of thinking.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

I think he said that because he didn't want to admit that he had changed. Even though he changed for the better, he is still somewhat insecure and thinks admitting that he wanted to help somehow weakens his cool, not-giving-a-sh** attitude.

Edit: Either that or, as you say, he was just joking to sort of make fun of his previous way of thinking.

Or he thought....hmm if I come back, there could be even more money to be had!

Sorry, it is the cynic in me...though it is weird that he only pops up right at the end. He may have died trying but shooting down even a few more tie fighters earlier would have increased their odds.

Though I don't disagree with your point. I suspect it was his pride paired with a joke to never admit the good he did.

[Rodney-2187]

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[Geoff D]

Oh, I love how the original "S-foils in attack position" shot has them all lined up in a row.

[Riddler95]

Originally Posted by Jakdonark

My wife and daughter were out last night so I was able to spin my definitive LD of Star Wars for a bit. Yes the picture is a bit fuzzy, but the colors still look pretty good and the sound is amazing. I found a set of the limited edition DVDs with the originals recently. I had them awhile ago but sold them, wanted another set for collectors purposes. I'd say the Laserdisc looks better. Lots of digital blocking and frozen grain, at least the LDs look smoother. And that sound! Nice bass in the music and some of the effects. A lot of that is just gone in the 5.1 mix.

As was said above, stuff like Aliens, Tron, Jurassic Park; even with lossless sound being clearer, there is something about those old mixes that just sounds "better", in my opinion of course.

I've done the same. I've compared the audio on my 2006 DVDs of the Theatrical Cuts to the audio on my Blu-Rays of the 2011 Special Editions and there are things that I actually like better about the 1993 Mixes when compared to the 2011 Mixes. You are right about the 2011 Mixes lacking the nice bass that the 1993 Mixes feature. One thing that I do not like about the 2011 Mixes of The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi is the noticeable clipping.

I wouldn't mind tracking down the Definitive Collection or the THX (Faces) LaserDisc Editions for the PCM Audio. I have the LaserDiscs of the 1997 Special Editions and I want to check out the 5.1 Dolby Digital Mixes on them but I still don't own an AC-3 Demodulator however I'm trying to acquire one.

[crissrudd4554]

One thing that bugs me about the current mix for ANH is how muffled Chewbacca sounds particularly in the saber practice scene.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by crissrudd4554

One thing that bugs me about the current mix for ANH is how muffled Chewbacca sounds particularly in the saber practice scene.

All of the audio tracks on all of the movies (1-6) are terrible!

[Jakdonark]

Just watched Star Wars: A Noir Hope. After the talk about the B&C version of Mad Max there was mention of other films that would look good in black and white. French Connection was mentioned, I think it was Geoff D, and I actually tried that with the original blu released. I thought it looked pretty good, and worked well. I also thought Star Wars would work, and I finally had a chance this morning to watch the whole thing.

Some parts really look like a 50s movie, and it makes it a little more timeless. The lighting in the Rebel War room made for some interesting shots. The mostly monochromatic color scheme helps, which is why I don't think The Empire Strikes Black and White would have the same effect.

I used my Definitive LD and just took pictures off my screen.

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