Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Arawn]

Originally Posted by El_Fez

and that's including the Holiday Special and the two Ewok movies.

[Falaskan]

Would anyone care to pm me about ROTJ: D? [emoji16]


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[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by Roonan

I think it's more accurate to say that he has good judgment.

More like the judgment of a contrarian/hipster.

[El_Fez]

Or - and I know this is a shock - I have my own taste in movies. This taste in movies is different from yours. I know this is a crazy idea and all, but there it is.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by svenge

Based on his post history, my guess is that it was "bad news" to him since George Lucas wasn't going to write/direct it.

The thing is that both JJ Abrams and George Lucas have directed the exact same number of good Star Wars movies (i.e. one each). The primary statistical difference is that Abrams is batting 1.000, while Lucas is batting .250 currently.

Not entirely.
I liked that new people were coming in.
Hell, even the originals had someone different each film.
JJ made the WORST Star Wars film ever and now they brought back that hack to make another.
Yes, Lucas did some not so good things, but that was across all 6.
He got far more right than wrong.

JJ can't do anything original.
Super 8 is just ET
Cloverfield is just Gojira
Trek was twisted and almost universally loathed
Except for here, most or half of people (depending on the site or real life) dislike Force Awakens.

Him coming back is hugely disappointing.

[bobbyh64]

I just wish the Classic Editions of the OT were released. If they were, I'd probably like the PT more than I do because I partially blame them for inspiring the Special Editions.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

Not entirely.
I liked that new people were coming in.
Hell, even the originals had someone different each film.
JJ made the WORST Star Wars film ever and now they brought back that hack to make another.

What planet are you on? Episode VII is the number one USA domestic box office grosser of all time (not adjusting for inflation). It was also critically acclaimed and had great audience reaction (surveys + repeat business).

JJ can't do anything original. Super 8 is just ET

ET kidnapped and ate people? By your measure Independence Day is ET. Anyway, it was a love letter to the Spielberg movies he grew up with - with Spielberg being an executive producer on that film.

Cloverfield is just Gojira

Which Abrams didn't write or direct. Nor was Godzilla shot with a camcorder and done completely from the POV of the characters holding said camcorder.

Trek was twisted and almost universally loathed

Again, what planet? He didn't write them. They also did well box office wise and critic wise. Into Darkness even has a higher Metacritic rating than Wrath of Khan.

Except for here, most or half of people (depending on the site or real life) dislike Force Awakens.

I haven't met anyone in real life that dislikes Force Awakens. It's all online and the haters are MUCH noisier about it.

[svenge]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

Except for here, most or half of people (depending on the site or real life) dislike Force Awakens.

That's the biggest load of "fake news" that I've heard in a while, and I pay attention to politics!

The only place on the planet that could possibly fit that description would be this hive of delusion, and even then I doubt that 50% of them dislike TFA.

[Early Memphis]

Originally Posted by El_Fez

Yes, what counts as a "good movie" is purely subjective - but I can't say that I'm thrilled by this development. E7 was hands down the worst Star Wars movie of the lot, and that's including the Holiday Special and the two Ewok movies. I'll go see it because Star Wars is baked into my very DNA, but I'm far more interested in the side movies at this point.

What a load of codswallop. So, you didn't like it ... okay. But you're gonna see the new ones anyway - and this all means something?

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

… JJ made the WORST Star Wars film ever and now they brought back that hack to make another … JJ can't do anything original … Trek was twisted and almost universally loathed. Except for here, most or half of people (depending on the site or real life) dislike Force Awakens …

Just more codswallop - you two oughta get a room and discourage each other.

[stvn1974]

Since this thread got bumped I am trying to find a new way to shit on the Prequels and Special Editions but I am at a loss.

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by svenge

That's the biggest load of "fake news" that I've heard in a while, and I pay attention to politics!

The only place on the planet that could possibly fit that description would be this hive of delusion, and even then I doubt that 50% of them dislike TFA.

The fact that you jumped on the "fake news" bandwagon, tells me you don't follow real politics too well.


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[Arawn]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Into Darkness even has a higher Metacritic rating than Wrath of Khan.

That's sad.

Anyone who thinks Into Darkness is a better movie than TWOK needs to get help and probably also should be kept away from sharp objects, stairs and people.

[grodd]

I miss a lot from the prequels. While they may of had lower bad points they all had what I felt were higher-high points.

JJ Abrams has great dialog but did not have some of the great roller-coaster action sequences of either of the previous trilogies that I was hoping for.
I'm also hoping for a Duel of the Fates moment or a Palpatine/Anakin discussion moment. But so far I haven't seen it, except maybe the very end.

[ambient_indie]

Originally Posted by Arawn

That's sad.

Probably because Metacritic didn't exist in 1982. There's only 11 critic reviews and 76 user ratings on Metacritic for Wrath of Khan, while Into Darkness has 43 critic reviews and 1541 user ratings. I don't think using Metacritic is fair for any movies made before social media. Or rotten tomatoes.

[svenge]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

The fact that you jumped on the "fake news" bandwagon, tells me you don't follow real politics too well.

I don't believe in fake news in actuality, but I do believe in using terms creatively to avoid profanity prohibited on this board.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

I watched it again yesterday.

I'm actually a little surprised by how many times I've watched it over the past year. And even more surprising is the number of times I've popped it in intending to kill maybe an hour or so only to watch it from start to finish.

Originally Posted by El_Fez

E7 seemed to smell of desperation, felt like "Remember the Star Wars you liked as a kid? This is more of that! Please like us again!"

Originally Posted by grodd

I'm also hoping for a Duel of the Fates moment or a Palpatine/Anakin discussion moment. But so far I haven't seen it, except maybe the very end.

For me the bit with Kylo Ren feeling the pull of the light was a very effective twist on the 'seduction of evil' themes in everything from noir to Star Wars. That was right uo there with the opera house scene (which was absolutely awesome, to be sure).

His duel with Rey was also very good, I thought. Not only was it very well shot and choreographed, his continued insistence that the woman who was kicking his ass needed his instruction was a very nice touch.

Originally Posted by Roonan

It was desperation. They made a cheap copy of what's been done before in order to please the vocal crowd. It's like fast food. Pleasure, not joy.

Now see, this is exactly how I would describe everything after Empire. And that's not some post hoc anti-prequel construct. 'A cheap copy of what's been done before' was very much my reaction to Jedi sitting in the theater lo those many decades ago.

Originally Posted by Roonan

With George, there was a story to tell. His story, wether people like it or not. With these new movies, the premiss is: "What do they want?" It's fans making their own licensed fan fiction.

George retired. He's no longer a factor. So our only options at this point are no new Star Wars movies or so-called fan fiction.

Me? I'll take the fanfic, thanks.

[El_Fez]

Originally Posted by Early Memphis

What a load of codswallop. So, you didn't like it ... okay. But you're gonna see the new ones anyway - and this all means something?

Yes, because a hardcore KISS fan from birth is going to buy all the albums, even the shitty Peter Criss solo album.

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by svenge

That's the biggest load of "fake news" that I've heard in a while, and I pay attention to politics!

The only place on the planet that could possibly fit that description would be this hive of delusion, and even then I doubt that 50% of them dislike TFA.

Someone tried starting a thread on there asking people to try and define the x factor or what makes a Star Wars film for you. The three or four seriously deluded PT kissers all said "Whatever George Lucas says."

[Bobbyjoe766]

STAR WARS and EMPIRE for me. Certain sections of JEDI too.

[meglos]

I'm happy J.J. Abrams is getting a second film. So we can see what he can do with less limitations.

With The Force Awakens I'm sure J.J. Abrams' mandate from the bosses was to play it safe and don't do anything too far outside of the box. If fans hadn't been happy with first film it could have sunk a franchise that Disney had just acquired for $4.5 Billion. There was no way they were going to take that chance, especially after the Prequel backlash.