Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Caseyscott]

Originally Posted by Indiana Jonezzz...

I kind of agree, but maybe it's because it wasn't his mission. But then, he could have alerted the Jedi to this, and they could have gone back later on and freed the slaves. But maybe they don't get involved in things like that, outside of the Republic and their missions (like the trade dispute)?

Yeah there's not much information about how everything works but the more you reveal the more questions arise.

[stvn1974]

Or just perhaps it was terrible writing on the screenwriter's part?

[Indiana Jonezzz...]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

Or just perhaps it was terrible writing on the screenwriter's part?

I wouldn't imagine so, the prequels were always highly regarded in this area.

But seriously, I don't know if it's bad writing really, but it's interesting and it raises questions. Is it really the Jedi's job to fix everything in the galaxy? I'm pretty sure they're only meant to have authority in Republic areas too, and Tatooine had no allegiance with it. And then the Hutts might have had a few problems with the Republic, if they started poking their nose in.

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by Indiana Jonezzz...

I kind of agree, but maybe it's because it wasn't his mission. Although he could have alerted the Jedi to this, and they could have gone back later and freed the other slaves. But maybe they don't get involved in things like that outside of the Republic and their specific missions (like the trade dispute)?

And that's the thing.

The Jedi are selfless, good, do what feels right etc.... whoops! This isn't in my job description, it's not my mission, not my jurisdiction, this isn't even in the Republic.... but we could use this boy (destruction of the Sith, who are reportedly already extinct, and restoration of balance to the force and all that) so I'll intervene here. We don't need the mother though so, say goodbye forever, little man.

Jedi? "Jobsworth" more like.

[Geoff D]

"This is the weapon of a Jobsworth Knight"

[Arawn]

Originally Posted by Indiana Jonezzz...

Sure, he could get the new hyperdrive, but maybe he should never have bargained to free Anakin, as look how it all turned out.

Death Star go boom?

Originally Posted by Martoto

This isn't in my job description, it's not my mission, not my jurisdiction, this isn't even in the Republic....

Cause you know "jurisdiction and borders be damned, literally everyone in the universe must bow to my will" is totally how the selfless crowd rolls. Haughty authoritarianism may be the order of the day but that's not the same thing as "good". The Jedi are answerable to the Republic government including where a potential war with Hutt Space is concerned.

[stvn1974]

"Anakin, are you still having nightmares about your mother who we left in slavery?"

"Yes, master Jedi"

"Well, get over it you materialistic brat."

[Indiana Jonezzz...]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

"Anakin, are you still having nightmares about your mother who we left in slavery?"

"Yes, master Jedi"

"Well, get over it you materialistic brat."

In the film though, the slaves weren't treated badly as such, and they weren't being tortured or beaten. Shmi only got in trouble when the Sand People grabbed her later on. It's all a bit weird though really. I suppose the reason George made them slaves in the first place, was so that Shmi couldn't just leave with them, so Anakin would have to go back eventually, and also to give Anakin a darker origin, yet showing he was still a good kid.

But I still don't know why they couldn't have just bought Shmi from Watto, later on. I suppose that's the whole attachment thing again though, but if they'd just done that, Anakin probably wouldn't have turned bad later. Ultimately, is it really just showing how flawed the Jedi order was, and that trying to stop a Jedi from caring about loved ones was, in reality, very emotionally damaging? Anakin had become too attached to his mother by that age to begin training, but the Jedi wouldn't adjust their code to accomodate this.

[Gold Ranger]

The books explain it better...
Shmi and Anakin got lucky. Watto was "kinder" than most other masters.
Yeah, he did occasionally beat Anakin, but it was rare. Gardulla beat Shmi. Others like Kitster were also always beaten.

Which brings up another point...
Why in the hell was Anakin okay with calling everyone Master, considering he was a freed slave?
I would never have used that term again...

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

The books explain it better...
Shmi and Anakin got lucky. Watto was "kinder" than most other masters.
Yeah, he did occasionally beat Anakin, but it was rare. Gardulla beat Shmi. Others like Kitster were also always beaten.

Which brings up another point...
Why in the hell was Anakin okay with calling everyone Master, considering he was a freed slave?
I would never have used that term again...

Did he call Watto "Master"?

[Indiana Jonezzz...]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

The books explain it better...
Shmi and Anakin got lucky. Watto was "kinder" than most other masters.
Yeah, he did occasionally beat Anakin, but it was rare. Gardulla beat Shmi. Others like Kitster were also always beaten.

Which brings up another point...
Why in the hell was Anakin okay with calling everyone Master, considering he was a freed slave?
I would never have used that term again...

Well, it would have been nice if we could have seen that in the film itself, just like the Naboo people suffering and dying.

[HD Goofnut]

Well, I just watched all eight films over the last week and a half or so, again. After seeing the original three hundreds of times and TFA and RO several times I rate them like this:

TPM: 7/10 - Liam Neeson really saves this from being as bad as AOTC.
AOTC: 6/10 - Some of the worst dialogue ever in a film, period.
ROTS: 8/10 - Other than some brief bits of bad dialogue this one is rather solid.
RO: 9/10 - Some of the best action since the original trilogy.
ANH: 9/10 - There's really nothing wrong with this. It's just that TESB is better.
TESB: 10/10 - Quite possibly the best film ever made.
ROTJ: 9/10 - Without the Ewoks this might have been as good as TESB.
TFA: 9/10 - Again, nothing wrong with this one either, but it's not TESB.

[bobbyh64]

I guess I'll rate them too:

Star Wars - 10/10
Empire - 10/10
Jedi - 9/10
Menace - 5/10
Clones - 3/10
Sith - 6/10
Force Awakens - 9/10
Rogue One - 1/10

[stvn1974]

Star Wars 10
Empire 10
Jedi 10
TPM 5
AOTC worse than walking in on your parents having sex
Sith 3
TFA 10
RO 10

[bo130]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

I think it would be completely ridiculous and a horrible idea if it's revealed that Luke turned to the Dark Side. If he did, it would ruin Return of the Jedi when they already showed him being tempted by it and overcoming it. And I think it would actually ruin the entire OT for a lot of people because it would be hard to identify with Luke knowing what happens. Either that or they would flat out dismiss the entire ST and just pretend Jedi was the last movie chronologically.

Agreed. Luke battling the temptation to be turned to the dark side and overcoming it is one of the strongest and most important points of his character arc.

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by Arawn

Death Star go boom?



Cause you know "jurisdiction and borders be damned, literally everyone in the universe must bow to my will" is totally how the selfless crowd rolls. Haughty authoritarianism may be the order of the day but that's not the same thing as "good". The Jedi are answerable to the Republic government including where a potential war with Hutt Space is concerned.

So they are only guardians of peace and justice and selfless to the will of the Jedi order and the Republic that it serves. Which is not the same as being "selfless".

Obi Wan's initial contempt for Anakin demonstrates that the Jedi are self satisfied with their selflessness to preserving a society. Only Qui Gon demonstrates ambivalence about using "it's not my job" as an excuse.

Why would the Hutts want to got to war over the Jedi buying a few slaves their freedom?

[Arawn]

Originally Posted by Martoto

So they are only guardians of peace and justice and selfless to the will of the Jedi order and the Republic that it serves.

Yeah, "guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic." That's what the line said. I don't see any point in effectively rewriting ANH.

Originally Posted by Martoto

Only Qui Gon demonstrates ambivalence about using "it's not my job" as an excuse.

It feels like the "Qui-Gon should have choked out Watto" thing is right around the corner...

Originally Posted by Martoto

Why would the Hutts want to got to war over the Jedi buying a few slaves their freedom?

So in this scenario they're not freeing slaves en masse, they're just letting Anakin know that the rules everyone else follows don't apply to him?

[Gold Ranger]

There was a fan fic I read years before AotC came out...
Anakin returned to Tattooine and freed all the slaves by killing them all. In fact, that was how it was worded. Lol...
He was in a fit of rage because his mother had died while still enslaved.

[Falaskan]

I love how you guys make this series more in depth than it really is! Too bad George didn’t put this much thought into it!


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[motorheadache95]

Originally Posted by Indiana Jonezzz...

In the film though, the slaves weren't treated badly as such, and they weren't being tortured or beaten. Shmi only got in trouble when the Sand People grabbed her later on. It's all a bit weird though really. I suppose the reason George made them slaves in the first place, was so that Shmi couldn't just leave with them, so Anakin would have to go back eventually, and also to give Anakin a darker origin, yet showing he was still a good kid.

But I still don't know why they couldn't have just bought Shmi from Watto, later on. I suppose that's the whole attachment thing again though, but if they'd just done that, Anakin probably wouldn't have turned bad later. Ultimately, is it really just showing how flawed the Jedi order was, and that trying to stop a Jedi from caring about loved ones was, in reality, very emotionally damaging? Anakin had become too attached to his mother by that age to begin training, but the Jedi wouldn't adjust their code to accomodate this.

This is what I just say, which is in no way a defense of the writing in the prequels, but makes as much sense as the whole thing is going to.

There were discussions either among the Jedi or Obi Wan and the Naboo government or something to free Schmi, only to discover themselves that she had been freed and married somebody, so the matter was dropped.

They also neglected to tell him because they didn't want him thinking about her one way or another because of their attachments rules.

To be honest as I'm typing this it doesn't really add up and there is really no way to not make the Jedi look like a bunch of cultist a-holes