Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[JimSmith]

Originally Posted by Vandal Savage

At the time ESB was made, the plan was for Luke to have a twin sister who was not Leia. She would have been introduced in Episode VIII.

But when it came time to make ROTJ, Lucas decided to close the story out and gave Leia the sister role. In the original plan, the Empire would have defeated the Rebellion in VI, and the Emperor would not have appeared until IX. I guess the hologram in V didn't count.

Actually one of the story ideas for Star Wars episode 7 back in the early 80's was going to be Luke searching for his long lost sister. So what you're saying is that they wouldn't have actually met until episode 8 then huh?

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by Vulture Lives

He absolutely refers to Leia by name, and it makes perfect sense. He was closer to Leia than any of the other characters, and he had a romantic attraction to her, as well (if they were designed to be siblings at the time, which they weren't, then George, the old devil, was being pretty damned subversive with the sexual attraction between the two characters, don't you think?). Naturally, Luke is going to call out to her, for the reasons stated above. Like I said, it just makes sense from a dramatic storytelling standpoint. It would've been comical if he called out to Chewbacca, and he knew nothing about Lando.

That would’ve been hilarious if he called out to Chewbacca instead. “Chewie!” Then showing Chewbacca looking confused then realizing what’s happening, and telling Lando in his Wookiee language to turn back.

[Gacivory]

I always thought the phrase, “There is another”, referred to Vader. I thought Yoda sensed that he was pulling away from the Emperor. No one else agreed with me on that theory.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by octagon

So after Yoda says 'no, there is another' you're picturing the conversation continuing something along the lines of 'whoa, cool, where?'...'dumbass, a twin sister, Luke has...delivered her, you did'...'oh, shit, right...we should totally look into that if this falls through' -force ghost head smack- 'I can't believe that never crossed my mind'.

No, more like "You really think Leia can defeat Vader & The Emperor?"

[Vandal Savage]

Originally Posted by JimSmith

Actually one of the story ideas for Star Wars episode 7 back in the early 80's was going to be Luke searching for his long lost sister. So what you're saying is that they wouldn't have actually met until episode 8 then huh?

That's what Gary Kurtz said. He claims that VII was to be about Luke's life as a Jedi, and that the sister comes into the story at VIII.

[stvn1974]

I love reading all of the defenses for Lucas' terrible planning and writing when it comes to the Prequels. Keep it going, I am having difficulty going to sleep so I need the entertainment tonight.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

If Leia wasn’t Luke’s sister when Empire was written, who was Yoda referring to when he said “There is another”?

Luke had a twin sister who was going to show up in Episode VII or VIII -- per Gary Kurtz, she would show up from the far reaches of the galaxy and ultimately help Luke finally defeat the Emperor in Episode IX. His sister wasn't Leia. Leia became ruler of her people, Luke saw her coronation and left bittersweet knowing he could never be with her, then went out on his own, a bit like Ethan Edwards in The Searchers...a hero, but alone. Seriously. Look it up. That was at one time the story of Jedi. Leia was not Luke's sister in Empire.

[Arawn]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

No, when Empire was written Leia wasn't Luke's sister. When it came time to write the Prequels Lucas couldn't be bothered with continuity so we have what we have.

The prequels having to be consistent with ROTJ on this point means Lucas couldn't be bothered with continuity when it came time to write the prequels?

Originally Posted by cynatnite

I just figured Obi-Wan didn't think she had force capabilities when the twins were born. He detected Luke's, though.

"The Emperor knew, as I did, if Anakin were to have any offspring, they would be a threat to him. That is the reason why your sister remains safely anonymous."

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

Ep 4: Obi-Wan: "For over a thousand Generations, the Jedi Knights were guardians of peace and justice throughout the Galaxy."

Actually, it's: "For over a thousand generations, the Jedi Knights were guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic."

[bobbyh64]

What if Disney just took Harmy’s Despecialized Editions and put them out on Blu-ray? I wonder how well they would sell.

[drush9999]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

What if Disney just took Harmy’s Despecialized Editions and put them out on Blu-ray? I wonder how well they would sell.

I'd rather they do a scan of an archive IP than that to get the theatrical cuts. I love having the Despecialized as the stopgap, but Disney have far superior materials to hand.

[reason108]

Originally Posted by Vandal Savage

That's what Gary Kurtz said. He claims that VII was to be about Luke's life as a Jedi, and that the sister comes into the story at VIII.

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Luke had a twin sister who was going to show up in Episode VII or VIII -- per Gary Kurtz, she would show up from the far reaches of the galaxy and ultimately help Luke finally defeat the Emperor in Episode IX. His sister wasn't Leia. Leia became ruler of her people, Luke saw her coronation and left bittersweet knowing he could never be with her, then went out on his own, a bit like Ethan Edwards in The Searchers...a hero, but alone. Seriously. Look it up. That was at one time the story of Jedi. Leia was not Luke's sister in Empire.

Now, that is a series that I would have liked to seen. Though, in a way, some of those elements have shown up; just in a twisted kind-of way.

[Vandal Savage]

Originally Posted by reason108

Now, that is a series that I would have liked to seen. Though, in a way, some of those elements have shown up; just in a twisted kind-of way.

Actually, I thought that was the direction the Sequel Trilogy was going to go before Rian Johnson got ahold of it.

TFA pretty much put the saga where everyone was at the end of the proposed VI -- Leia alone with a leadership position, Han gone, Luke taking leave.

Then in VIII, Luke would reconnect with his lost daughter (instead of sister), and then they would team up in IX to defeat Snoke, who would have been a sort of "final boss" for the saga who had been manipulating events since the prequel era.

[Lionel Horsepackage]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

I love reading all of the defenses for Lucas' terrible planning and writing when it comes to the Prequels. Keep it going, I am having difficulty going to sleep so I need the entertainment tonight.

It's not "terrible planning," it's simply a creative person changing his mind. It happens all the time in movies, television, prose, etc. What's being discussed right now is actually relatively tiny compared to the massive, glaring continuity contradictions found throughout, say, early-to-mid Star Trek: TOS, which is practically the textbook example of non-planning.

[JimSmith]

Random thought time. I think that The Phantom Menace could've been the best prequel if they would've left out jar jar and had another way better child actor play Anakin. No one seems to like that one but it is quite an amusing and entertaining peculiarity.

[Galactus123]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

1. What inconsistencies?

There are a lot of inconsistencies between the original trilogy and prequels. Characters's ages are a big inconsistency for example. Why Obi-Wan is so much older in Episode 4? It has been only 19 years. Same with Anakin in Return of the Jedi. Also Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru are too old. The actors they chose for the prequels were too young.

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by Galactus123

There are a lot of inconsistencies between the original trilogy and prequels. Characters's ages are a big inconsistency for example. Why Obi-Wan is so much older in Episode 4? It has been only 19 years. Same with Anakin in Return of the Jedi. Also Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru are too old. The actors they chose for the prequels were too young.

Living on the desert planet of Tatooine made them age faster and being burnt to a crisp does that too.

[stvn1974]

Originally Posted by frogmort

Living on the desert planet of Tatooine made them age faster and being burnt to a crisp does that too.

Look what it did to Jabba, he was pretty young looking in the added scene in the hanger with Han in A New Hope (just threw up a bit typing that) and then look at him in Return Of The Jedi.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Galactus123

There are a lot of inconsistencies between the original trilogy and prequels. Characters's ages are a big inconsistency for example. Why Obi-Wan is so much older in Episode 4? It has been only 19 years. Same with Anakin in Return of the Jedi. Also Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru are too old. The actors they chose for the prequels were too young.

Living out here in the desert with ONE sun and not much moisture you see it all the time. I can't imagine it with TWO suns.

Or on people who tan themselves endlessly. Their skin gets leathery and wrinkled. I saw a couple people from high school recently and man they got old. They're my age but look much older - it's the stupid tanning.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Galactus123

There are a lot of inconsistencies between the original trilogy and prequels. Characters's ages are a big inconsistency for example. Why Obi-Wan is so much older in Episode 4? It has been only 19 years. Same with Anakin in Return of the Jedi. Also Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru are too old. The actors they chose for the prequels were too young.

The dark side is bad for for your looks I mean the emperor aged like 30 years in a minute with just a bit of lighting to the face and Vader got the same treatment. You also dont really recover you looks after you get lit on fire and get third degree burns everywhere. vader actually looks rather good considering what happened to him in the revenge of the sith.

As far as people on a desert planet looking older then they are that's fine stress and a lot of sun exposure will age you terribly. I also doubt the people on the desert planet ate well and stayed hydrated. Some people age at different rates I don't find it hard to believe that a 40 or 50 year old could look 60 or 80 if they had bad genetics/ took terrible char of themselves in harsh environments.

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

1:
Ep 4: Obi-Wan: "For over a thousand Generations, the Jedi Knights were guardians of peace and justice throughout the Galaxy."

Ep 2: Palpatine: "I will not let this Republic, which has stood for 1,000 years..."
Later retconned in books and comics as that version of the government, but most don't read anymore. Eps 7 and 8 fall into this trap but much, much worse. You do NOT make a series of movies and have a lot of the crucial stuff that you are supposed to know about going in, filled in for you at a later time in various other forms of media.

2:
Ep 5: Obi-Wan: "That boy was our last hope." Yoda: "No, there is another."

Ep 3: Obi-Wan is present when Leia is born

Jedi knights do not equal republic so that isn't a inconsistency. They made it pretty clear throughout that the Jedi aren't supposed to be directly involved with the republic. They are more just a religion that works with whatever government is in power to maintain balance and order in the world. Personally I would describe them as third party arbiters who are supposed to bring peace to the galaxy by being neutral in conflicts (excluding crusades against sith)


obi-wan did not view Leia as being a savior. She never received training and had not shown any force potential yet. So in obi wans view she was not a possible candidate to revive the Jedi but merely a force sensitive (he never met her when she was grown up) which the empire was full of. And he was kind of right Leia never became a Jedi Yoda acknowledge she had potential in ep 5 but she never really did anything with it even when Luke could have trained her.

so not an inconsistency we don't know obi wans thought process but its reasonable he either forget about Leia or disregarded Leia (or perhaps he was just trying to manipulate yoda like he manipulated Luke obi wan as an old man bent the truth all the time to get the result he wanted).

[Arawn]

Originally Posted by veritas

Jedi knights do not equal republic so that isn't a inconsistency.

The probem is that Obi-Wan says that the Jedi were guardians of peace & justice in the Old Republic for a thousand generations, while Palpatine says the Republic has stood for a thousand years. The EU handled this via the Ruusan Reformations; Palpatine's referring only to the current version of the Republic. Alternatively it's just a figure of (imprecise) speech signifying a very long time.