Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[stvn1974]

Hate is a strong word and should be used towards things like injustice, famine and disease but the changes to the OT are pretty hard not to hate too.

[TN05]

Originally Posted by Alan_Grant

Yeah, this is nice and all but needing to read a book or other assorted media should never be a prerequisite to watching a movie.

I think the detail is sufficient to get the background in the films, but I’m pretty sure they wanted to avoid getting too into detail in politics in the new films. A two minute talk in Takodana could have resolved a lot of confusion.

[Panama Jack]

Originally Posted by Alan_Grant

Yeah, this is nice and all but needing to read a book or other assorted media should never be a prerequisite to watching a movie.

One of the big complaints about Phantom Menace was all the political exposition about taxation, treaties, and legislative procedure. I'm sure JJ & co had that in mind and intentionally avoided it. Instead, they focused on things from the perspectives of the characters.

But I have never read the books or anything, and I got the general gist of what @TN05 explained from just the movies. Not the details, but the basic idea. So JJ didn't do too poorly.

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by Panama Jack

Just because you "win" the war and topple the regime doesn't always mean that the conflict is over and it's happily ever after. History has shown many times that sometimes removing power in one aspect just leaves a vacuum for another (sometimes worse) power to take its place.

This franchise isn't called Star Wars for nothing, after all.

[sdchrgrboy]

Originally Posted by rexcrk

People always say how The Force Awakens is a “rip off” of A New Hope, but I still just don’t see it that way.

I mean, obviously I see how they’re similar, but maybe my brain is just “wired” differently than most people, because while most people will say “oh, Jakku, desert planet.. ripoff!” I say “ok, it’s a desert planet, but it’s a different desert planet, which is cool, because surely Tatooine isn’t the only desert planet in the galaxy”. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

And while plot beats might be similar, the characters and motivations are different.

There’s enough in that movie to differentiate it from A New Hope that I just don’t see it as the straight “ripoff” that (apparently) most people seem to see it as.

So let's see, you have a droid, carrying a message, that needs to get to the republic,that falls into the hands of a young character who years for more on a dessert planet that now gets wrapped up into the conflict, a light saber death of a main character on the bad guys base, which is basically a death star again, a rescue of a character on the bad guys base, and the destruction of said base by a small group of freedom fighters that need to fly in close to destroy it before it destroys the good guys base.
No, I can't see how anyone could see it as a direct ripoff. BTW even JJ himself has said he borrowed a lot from the movie to ease people back into SW

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by sdchrgrboy

So let's see, you have a droid, carrying a message, that needs to get to the republic,that falls into the hands of a young character who years for more on a dessert planet that now gets wrapped up into the conflict, a light saber death of a main character on the bad guys base, which is basically a death star again, a rescue of a character on the bad guys base, and the destruction of said base by a small group of freedom fighters that need to fly in close to destroy it before it destroys the good guys base.
No, I can't see how anyone could see it as a direct ripoff. BTW even JJ himself has said he borrowed a lot from the movie to ease people back into SW

You're only comparing them on a surface level. It's the details and reasons for everything happening that make the difference.

[grim_tales]

Just seen on Amazon that the first trilogy (IV, V and VI) is getting released again, could the untouched originals ever appear on BD/4K?

[rexcrk]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

You're only comparing them on a surface level. It's the details and reasons for everything happening that make the difference.

Bingo.

Which I said in my post. But apparently that went over his head.

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by rexcrk

Bingo.

Which I said in my post. But apparently that went over his head.

Why do you suppose people very often only look at the "whats" and not the "whys" of everything?

[hanshotfirst1138]

Originally Posted by grim_tales

Just seen on Amazon that the first trilogy (IV, V and VI) is getting released again, could the untouched originals ever appear on BD/4K?

Probably just repackaging.

[sdchrgrboy]

Originally Posted by rexcrk

Bingo.

Which I said in my post. But apparently that went over his head.

yep, that's exactly what happened.

[Fnord Prefect]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

That's not very many ounces, though, because the people who hate it as much as you are actually the minority.

I don't know a single Star Wars or science fiction fan who liked The Last Jedi. None of us have any interest in paying to see further Disney Star Wars. Disney blew it big time, they delivered a terrible poorly paced nonsensical movie that literally shat over established canon which has permanently damaged the fanbase and by extension their bottomline.

[Fnord Prefect]

Originally Posted by Allgood

I don't think the world will be around by then.

It will. And for billions of years after.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by sdchrgrboy

So let's see, you have a droid, carrying a message, that needs to get to the republic,that falls into the hands of a young character who years for more on a dessert planet that now gets wrapped up into the conflict, a light saber death of a main character on the bad guys base, which is basically a death star again, a rescue of a character on the bad guys base, and the destruction of said base by a small group of freedom fighters that need to fly in close to destroy it before it destroys the good guys base.
No, I can't see how anyone could see it as a direct ripoff. BTW even JJ himself has said he borrowed a lot from the movie to ease people back into SW

Now, THAT’S a planet I’d like to see in a Star Wars movie.

[Indiana Jonezzz...]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

Unfortunately, the flawed part of the Jedi's whole "emotional detachment" philosophy rears its ugly head, when Luke is faced with his nephew, sensing all of this dark s*** in his head. When Luke describes this BRIEFEST moment of pure instinct, he's specifically referring to the old Prequel Jedi-era belief, that killing a dark side user without emotion is the best way of making sure that you don't go bad yourself. But his personal morals came poring back in. Unlike with the Vader incident, in which he almost killed him WITH emotion, he was almost about to kill his nephew WITHOUT emotion, which he realizes is just as morally screwed up! So, he ends up not doing it. It makes PERFECT sense.

I feel like we watched a completely different film. Luke’s knee-jerk reaction to Ben’s visions, was completely based on Luke’s emotional response. He felt fear and anger, and therefore, he briefly thought about killing Ben, to (ironically) stop any suffering. I really don’t understand where you get the idea that Luke thought about killing Ben without emotion?!

[Hardback247]

I don't know a single Star Wars or science fiction fan who liked The Last Jedi.

HelloGreedo is a huge Star Wars fan on YouTube, and HE likes TLJ.

None of us have any interest in paying to see further Disney Star Wars.

I am.

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by Indiana Jonezzz...

I feel like we watched a completely different film. Luke’s knee-jerk reaction to Ben’s visions, was completely based on Luke’s emotional response. He felt fear and anger, and therefore, he briefly thought about killing Ben, to (ironically) stop any suffering. I really don’t understand where you get the idea that Luke thought about killing Ben without emotion?!

I got it all from this video:

The Last Jedi - A Near Masterpiece | Part 2: Rey, Kylo Ren and Luke Skywalker - YouTube

[Indiana Jonezzz...]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

I got it all from this video:

The Last Jedi - A Near Masterpiece | Part 2: Rey, Kylo Ren and Luke Skywalker - YouTube

But surely you can come to your own conclusions, based on what you see happen in the film itself, without needing a random Youtube video to convince you what to think?

If you genuinely feel that Luke thought about killing Ben without any emotion, then that’s fair enough. But can you explain, without posting a video, why you actually think that, because IMO, the film itself shows completely the opposite.

[mediocore]

Originally Posted by Fnord Prefect

I don't know a single Star Wars or science fiction fan who liked The Last Jedi. None of us have any interest in paying to see further Disney Star Wars. Disney blew it big time, they delivered a terrible poorly paced nonsensical movie that literally shat over established canon which has permanently damaged the fanbase and by extension their bottomline.

Speak for yourself. I am a huge Star Wars and science fiction fan, and I liked TLJ and have a lot of interest in paying to see more Disney Star Wars, and I know quite a few others as well. Hell, I was at Celebration this year and it seems there's a lot of folks pretty keen on Star Wars still. Sure, there's plenty of fans who threw a fit and don't like TLJ, and that's fine, but don't gatekeep with this whole "True Fan" hyperbolic crap and say REAL fans hate it and NOBODY is excited for more, because that is just empirically not true, dude.

[Arawn]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

Now, THAT’S a planet I’d like to see in a Star Wars movie.

Well, we've had a salt planet, so we might as well have a sugar planet.