Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by Beast

It's a discussion forum. We're discussion different points of view. Would be a pretty boring place if everyone agreed.
The OT versions are available for those that want them. Betamax, VHS, Laserdisc, and DVD. And he didn't order Stormtroopers to destroy those.
Many of us who disagree with seeing the original cuts released, do so because we support Lucas having his rights as the artist and creator.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by harry keogh

Pure horse shit. I am not going down that road with you. Your view is selfish. You learned your "discussion" strategy well from the pratts in Washington. Instead of actually expanding your mind, and looking further into the situation at hand, you deflect the question into an attack on the other view point. You learned the strategy well.

Not at all. 100% Honest to Bob Truth.

Not selfish at all. It's all about supporting the rights of the artist and creator. That's the whole point of my post.

Your argument doesn't even make sense. How is defending the rights of the artist stifling the expansion of my mind?

We're talking about movies and artistic freedom here. You're making it sound like seeing your point of view is a religious experience.

Unless I'm dropping acid and tripping out to the movies, there's little room for mind expanding experiences.

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by Beast

Not at all. 100% Honest to Bob Truth.

Not selfish at all. It's all about supporting the rights of the artist and creator.

Your argument doesn't even make sense. How is defending the rights of the artist stifling the expansion of my mind? We're talking about movies and artistic freedom here.

I agree what is so wrong with supporting GL and star wars. I support GL and Star Wars.

[harry keogh]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

Why is it so wrong to support GL and LFL? I support star wars and GL and LFL. Is their anything wrong with that?

Never said there was anything wrong with that. But isn't the big push in this country by the supposedly "intellectually superior" political party, fairness and equality for all. Seems to me the "let GL" do what ever he wants, the "few" fans be damned viewpoint contradicts the hell out of that. Those "few" fans made him a very rich man before many of his most loyal fans on this forum were even born.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

Why is it so wrong to support GL and LFL? I support star wars and GL and LFL. Is their anything wrong with that I don't think their is.

Sometimes I think it comes down to pure jealousy. Or a perception they deserve some say in how the films are treated.

It's almost like some fans have gone so far as to almost percieve Lucas as some flannel wearing anti-christ.

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by harry keogh

Never said there was anything wrong with that. But isn't the big push in this country by the supposedly "intellectually superior" political party, fairness and equality for all. Seems to me the "let GL" do what ever he wants, the "few" fans be damned viewpoint contradicts the hell out of that. Those "few" fans made him a very rich man before many of his most loyal fans on this forum were even born.

They are his films ok he can do what ever he wants to them. I don't have any problem with that. Why some fanboys have a problem with that I will never understand.

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by Beast

Sometimes I think it comes down to pure jealousy. Or a perception they deserve some say in how the films are treated.

It's almost like some fans have gone so far as to almost percieve Lucas as some flannel wearing anti-christ.

Sometimes I wonder that as well.

[harry keogh]

Originally Posted by Beast

Your argument doesn't even make sense. How is defending the rights of the artist stifling the expansion of my mind?

It makes perfect sense. You just have to be able to see past your own point of view.

[harry keogh]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

They are his films ok he can do what ever he wants to them. I don't have any problem with that. Why some fanboys have a problem with that I will never understand.

But isn't that completely against everything our government is currently trying to do to business. Always trying to tell them what to do and how to run it.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by harry keogh

Never said there was anything wrong with that. But isn't the big push in this country by the supposedly "intellectually superior" political party, fairness and equality for all. Seems to me the "let GL" do what ever he wants, the "few" fans be damned viewpoint contradicts the hell out of that. Those "few" fans made him a very rich man before many of his most loyal fans on this forum were even born.

This is about movies, not politics. And politics have nothing to do with artistic freedom.

So what if he became successful because of Star Wars other artistic and other advancements in movie making?

And being an "orginal fan" doesn't mean much. I saw the original films back in the day in theaters also.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by harry keogh

It makes perfect sense. You just have to be able to see past your own point of view.

No it doesn't. Supporting artistic freedom doesn't stifle your so-called "expansion of one's mind".

Originally Posted by harry keogh

But isn't that completely against everything our government is currently trying to do to business. Always trying to tell them what to do and how to run it.

Not at all. Again, this is about the rights of the artist. It has nothing to do with the government or business.

[Beowulf85]

How did this thread devolved into politics? We're trying to have a healthy debate here. We can learn a few things by debating, it's always good trying to understand how other people think, specially if that other people has a different point of view than yours.

[harry keogh]

Originally Posted by Beast

This is about movies, not politics. And politics have nothing to do with artistic freedom.

Why? Why shouldn't that business be able to run the way it wants. If it isn't corrupt, who the hell is the government to tell it what to do? This situation is very similar.

Originally Posted by Beast

And being an "orginal fan" doesn't mean much. I saw the original films back in the day in theaters also.

Not saying an "origanl" means anything, but wouldn't it be a cool thing for GL to throw them a bone instead of being bull headed about it. I think like many celebrities, GL has serious insecurity issues.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Beowulf85

How did this thread devolved into politics? We're trying to have a healthy debate here. We can learn a few things by debating, it's always good trying to understand how other people think, specially if that other people has a different point of view than yours.

Yeah, I have no clue what he's getting at equating this to politics. The comparison makes no sense.

[Beowulf85]

"Never discuss politics, religion or changes made to Star Wars"

[Beast]

Originally Posted by harry keogh

Why? Why shouldn't that business be able to run the way it wants. If it isn't corrupt, who the hell is the government to tell it what to do? This situation is very similar.

That makes no sense. And won't make any more sense the more you say it.
This has nothing to do with politics or business. This is about art. Pure and simple.

Not saying an "origanl" means anything, but wouldn't it be a cool thing for GL to throw them a bone instead of being bull headed about it. I think like many celebrities, GL has serious insecurity issues.

No. I frankly think he never should have caved and released the DVD bonus disc copies of the original cuts.

The original cuts were retired, never to be release again on home video. And should stay that way.

He's not being bull-headed. He feels the original versions to be inferior, and is trying to satisfy himself as an artist.

And if he was insecure, he would cave and do what you and others keep demanding. So that makes no sense.

[harry keogh]

Originally Posted by Beast

NNot at all. Again, this is about the rights of the artist. It has nothing to do with the government or business.

I'll pose the argument that GL stopped being an artist long ago. He is a business man that looks for the best ways to sell toys now.

To others, the political aspect is to show similarities. Politics spreads into almost every aspect of your life. Life, art, and politics are all intertwined.

And all this rambling may have just been because I am feeling like a grumpy old fart tonight.

Gotta go.

[harry keogh]

Originally Posted by Beast

And if he was insecure, he would cave and do what you and others keep demanding. So that makes no sense.

Ok, one last comment for the night.

If he caves, wouldn't that be like admitting he was wrong? Facing that possibility makes an insecure person wilt.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by harry keogh

I'll pose the argument that GL stopped being an artist long ago. He is a business man that looks for the best ways to sell toys now.

And it's a flawed argument. If people want merchandise, he's just satisfying that want.
Some artists don't like collectibles tied to theirstuff. Such as Stephen King. That's his choice.

To others, the political aspect is to show similarities. Politics spreads into almost every aspect of your life. Life, art, and politics are all intertwined.

The comparison and argument make no sense. This is just about artistic freedom.

And all this rambling may have just been because I am feeling like a grumpy old fart tonight.

Gotta go.

It's a passion fueled subject. Don't let it worry you. Sleep well.

[JamesKurtovich]

I thought that was why people called Lucas stubborn? Because he believes his changes made his movie better and treating the UOT the same way he treats the SE would be like admitting that they didn't. Meh, I could be wrong.