Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[harry keogh]

Originally Posted by Beast

Sleep well.

You as well.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

I thought that was why people called Lucas stubborn? Because he believes his changes made his movie better and treating the UOT the same way he treats the SE would be like admitting that they didn't. Meh, I could be wrong.

From his standpoint, they do. And as the artist and creator.... in the end, the only person that Lucas has to satisfy is himself.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Beast

From his standpoint, they do. And as the artist and creator.... in the end, the only person that Lucas has to satisfy is himself.

Scenes I want to see in HD -
The opening credits to IV
Luke staring out at the Tattooine horizon as the two suns begin to set
Obi-Wan dropping his hood to reveal his worn face
Obi-Wan versus Vader on the Death Star
The trench run and subsequent Death Star destruction
And that's just for IV, there are a lot more.

[JamesKurtovich]

I thought this was interesting. http://www.wired.com/underwire/2010/...-wars-trilogy/

When you think about it, George only has so much to gain from more movies. And think about having Star Wars in the theaters again! I know I didn't enjoy the PT as much as I liked the OT, but it's one of the things I'll remember for the rest of my life. I spent my high school - young adult years seeing the PT in theaters so it's kind of there forever. I would love more of that as it was very exciting.

[Beast]

I'll disagree to the day I die that Jar Jar sucks. But man, #1 and #3 are clearly true given the Anti-Lucas folks.

[JamesKurtovich]

Originally Posted by Beast

I'll disagree to the day I die that Jar Jar sucks. But man, #1 and #3 are clearly true given the Anti-Lucas folks.

Indeed. At first I thought you were playing the devil's advocate but I can tell you really love yourself some Jar Jar.

I didn't know he pledged money to charity. That's really cool.

I guess some "Skywalker Ranch insider" said Lucas wants to start work on this new trilogy after ROTJ 3D comes out. Of course, they denied it. But did he also deny more SW movies after the OT came out?

[Batman1980]

Is Jar Jar a necessary character? Arguable. I'd probably like him a lot more if he weren't a bumbling idiot that did so much to undermine Amidala, about the only thing that he did that I liked was get his people to help the Naboo fight the machine army. As far as a new trilogy, I imagine that will depend on how well the movies sell on blu-ray and do in theatres in 3D.

[JamesKurtovich]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

Is Jar Jar a necessary character? Arguable. I'd probably like him a lot more if he weren't a bumbling idiot that did so much to undermine Amidala, about the only thing that he did that I liked was get his people to help the Naboo fight the machine army. As far as a new trilogy, I imagine that will depend on how well the movies sell on blu-ray and do in theatres in 3D.

I wouldn't mind him if he wasn't so annoying. His fit in the planet core of Naboo is rage inducing and mute worthy! I think the movie would be have been better had he stayed on the ship with Obi-Wan on Tatooine too.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Beast

Again, this is about the rights of the artist.

No, it isn't. Nobody is suing him. Nobody is proposing legislation mandating he release this version or that. Nobody is infringing on his rights as an artist in the slightest.

The worst he's been subjected to is people saying mean things about him on the internet. As threats to artistic freedom go that's pretty weak.

And let's not forget he's also a studio and there's nothing improper or oppressive about consumers telling studios what they do or don't want.

They're called the laws of supply and demand for a reason. Consumers are active participants in the marketplace and there's nothing wrong with them expressing their preferences.

[gregmasciola]

Originally Posted by STARKILLER--1138

After 7 naps and "resume dvd" I finally made it through ESB. I'm affraid what might happen if I actually forced myself to sit through the whole thing in one shot...I'd probably go into a coma.

Another dumbass Rebellion move thanks to little Luke'y. Attacking the AT-AT's consistantly from the front. They don't have side or rear lasers. Again, dumb! And, the one AT-AT they get down with the tow rope (again, brilliant idea ) I have to wonder what that debris really is. Almost looks like the AT-AT's ass exploded at the same time the rest of it did with all the dook droppings.

Luke and Han leave Hoth, where in the hell did the Rebellion go? They just left these guys high and dry? Good looking out Rebellion! The Falcon is being pursued by the Empire, and they are off sipping blue milk somewhere in the galaxy with ships on cruise control.

"Two starships against a Star Destroyer?" STFU! Who the hell is this guy and makes him so important he can interrupt Leia. And, why the hell is Leia still called "Princess" when her planet got all blowed up? What is she princess of? The guy with the Purina dog chow symbol on his jacket? Hey General, you get your uniform from the bottom of a dog food bag?

Judging by your posts, you don't seem to like the movies very much, so why do you bother watching them?

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by gregmasciola

Judging by your posts, you don't seem to like the movies very much, so why do you bother watching them?

I agree with you 100% I can tell by his post he was not raised watching the OT when it first came out. ESB is the best of the 6 movies and he must have bad taste in movies if he likes any PT over ESB. To me his post are nonsense and not worthy of reading.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by octagon

No, it isn't. Nobody is suing him. Nobody is proposing legislation mandating he release this version or that. Nobody is infringing on his rights as an artist in the slightest.

The worst he's been subjected to is people saying mean things about him on the internet. As threats to artistic freedom go that's pretty weak.

And let's not forget he's also a studio and there's nothing improper or oppressive about consumers telling studios what they do or don't want.

They're called the laws of supply and demand for a reason. Consumers are active participants in the marketplace and there's nothing wrong with them expressing their preferences.

So true, a customer as the right to ask for services, just like the provider as the right to refuse the service or the good if he so wish it. Is it always logical for the provider to refuse to do so? No it may not be so, but once again we are talking about rights, so it's his right to refuse to provide it or to provide the way he want's it, since it's his product.

The problem is that for most people this simple concept seem very hard to understand. They say it's their rights to demand it but then get real upset when it's mention that Lucas as the rights to not provide it if he so wish it. Rights are not a one way street, something that a lot of people also have a hard time understanding in this day and age. They start calling him a hack and a money grabber and the devil and lot's of other nice colorful things that have been mention so often there is just no need to mention them again. What I do find funny is that most of these people are in the age group 30-40+ like myself growing up in the days of the originals but seem to show a total lack of maturity on the subjects of rights. It's all about MY RIGHTS NOW and what they want and just refuse to see that Lucas as the rights to do as he wish as well. Kids have that type of attitude. I would except adults to be able to be more rational and see things more clearly.

Granted, this is not just about Lucas. You can go in every thread in this forum or any other forum on the Internet and see the same mind frame. I WANT IT NOW and that is all. The Internet is a great tool but it also provide a chance for people to act in ways they would not act probably if it was a matter of a face to face conversation.

So at the end, the customers as the right to demand things but the one providing the products as the right to do so on his own term. You don't like what he is offering, do not buy it, that is your own rights but please stop acting like a spoiled child when you are not getting what you want. Pre-school was completed a long time ago.

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

[/B] I agree with you 100% I can tell by his post he was not raised watching the OT when it first came out. ESB is the best of the 6 movies and he must have bad taste in movies if he likes any PT over ESB. To me his post are nonsense and not worthy of reading.

Agreed we should enjoy all 6 star wars films and yes ESB is the best of all 6 star wars films.

[JoshKelhoffer]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

[/B] I agree with you 100% I can tell by his post he was not raised watching the OT when it first came out. ESB is the best of the 6 movies and he must have bad taste in movies if he likes any PT over ESB. To me his post are nonsense and not worthy of reading.

I don't agree with his posts at all, but don't you think you're being a little harsh on the guy?

Between this post and "people who criticize the PT must not be paying attention," I think it might be getting a tad bit thick in here. Perhaps the link James' posted earlier is accurate and Star Wars fans are in desperate need of diaper changes.

Star Wars is a movie that grew into a franchise, and it is fun discussing and all, but there is line between discussing and hostile debating and I find it hard to see the point in picking scabs over a movie, any movie!

[kenkraly2004]

I like the special editions of the original trilogy and most of the changes where made for the better sure the han shoots 1st change was not needed but overall the SE changes made the films better and did'nt do much to change the story. Some fans may not agree but overall the special editions of the original trilogy are not that bad at all.

[iamsometal]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

What? You don't LOVE that mashup of 'Jurassic Park and Star Wars' altogether in the SAME movie?

And lets not forget that lovely combination of 'Star Trek and Star Wars' also. How many times have we been treated to that 'Praxis ring effect' from exploding celestial bodies? Maybe he will add that to all those Tie-fighter and X-wing pyrotechnics too.



Lucasfilm moto- "If it ain't broke, fix it until it is"

I agree with Monolithium, thread winner!!!

[binarymelon]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

[/B] I agree with you 100% I can tell by his post he was not raised watching the OT when it first came out. ESB is the best of the 6 movies and he must have bad taste in movies if he likes any PT over ESB. To me his post are nonsense and not worthy of reading.

I'm a big fan of all the movies and I would put ESB at 4th or 5th on my list. Many people take for granted we weren't all alive to see these movies in the theatres. My explanation from another thread.

Originally Posted by binarymelon

I'm going to get **** for this, but I just don't enjoy ESB as much as the other films. In my opinion it's because for me the film never had the big reveal of Vader as Luke's father. I was born after the movie was released and by the time I was old enough to appreciate it, it was already an integral part of mainstream pop-culture. It wasn't a surprise, it was just a fact.

[iamsometal]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

So true, a customer as the right to ask for services, just like the provider as the right to refuse the service or the good if he so wish it. Is it always logical for the provider to refuse to do so? No it may not be so, but once again we are talking about rights, so it's his right to refuse to provide it or to provide the way he want's it, since it's his product.

The problem is that for most people this simple concept seem very hard to understand. They say it's their rights to demand it but then get real upset when it's mention that Lucas as the rights to not provide it if he so wish it. Rights are not a one way street, something that a lot of people also have a hard time understanding in this day and age. They start calling him a hack and a money grabber and the devil and lot's of other nice colorful things that have been mention so often there is just no need to mention them again. What I do find funny is that most of these people are in the age group 30-40+ like myself growing up in the days of the originals but seem to show a total lack of maturity on the subjects of rights. It's all about MY RIGHTS NOW and what they want and just refuse to see that Lucas as the rights to do as he wish as well. Kids have that type of attitude. I would except adults to be able to be more rational and see things more clearly.

Granted, this is not just about Lucas. You can go in every thread in this forum or any other forum on the Internet and see the same mind frame. I WANT IT NOW and that is all. The Internet is a great tool but it also provide a chance for people to act in ways they would not act probably if it was a matter of a face to face conversation.

So at the end, the customers as the right to demand things but the one providing the products as the right to do so on his own term. You don't like what he is offering, do not buy it, that is your own rights but please stop acting like a spoiled child when you are not getting what you want. Pre-school was completed a long time ago.

1) I'm an adult, and i understand his legal and artistic rights over the material very clearly.
2) We're talking about a man that is completely disconnected from his film's millions of fans (the people that made him a billionaire several times over). He just doesn't care what fans want. And alot of us have a problem with that, because we're the people that made him filthy rich.
3) If i were to gain an audience with Lucas (in my dreams), I'd say to him everything i've said in this thread right to his face. I have no reason not to.
4) I'm not saying I WANT IT NOW. I'm saying I WANT IT SOMETIME WHILE I'M STILL LIVING.

[Monkey_Boy]

Originally Posted by iamsometal

I just love a purely digital creature just walking in front of the entire frame for no apparent reason, don't you?

I've read this comment so many times, and it makes no sense! Have you seen the original cut? Instead of the dino-thing, it's an orange astromech droid passing through the shot. Either way, there was always something passing between the viewer and the actors.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

[/B] I agree with you 100% I can tell by his post he was not raised watching the OT when it first came out. ESB is the best of the 6 movies and he must have bad taste in movies if he likes any PT over ESB. To me his post are nonsense and not worthy of reading.

I agree that he obviously doesnt care for the OT and his nitpicking is almost comical. But, ESB is NOT regarded as the best film by all Star Wars fans. I like ANH and ROTJ better than ESB. Heck, Id rather watch ROTS than ESB.

ESB starts off cool with the Hoth stuff and then it slooooooooows down a little too much for my liking. I dunno - its a pacing problem, IMO. Dont get me wrong, its still an awesome flick being part of the SW family but I feel ESB gets so much praise simply because the haters are so mad at George for every little damned thing so they slobber over ESB since it was directed by someone else.