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STARKILLER--1138 · 02-17-2011, 03:04 PM

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http://tv.ign.com/articles/115/1150655p1.html

Awesome!

s2mikey · 02-17-2011, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Imrahil2001

This is one of the reasons Star Wars is my favorite of the movies; Vader's just an attack dog, not a grand strategist. He never really shows any grasp of military strategy, in fact. Makes sense that there are guys higher up than he is who are in command of him.

Great point - At the end of the day, Vader is really just with the "muscle end of the family"(to quote from The Godafather films

). Hes got a great grasp of the force but ddoesnt get involved much in politics, startegy, or running the actual empire. Hes a "hit-man" for lack of a better term.

Uxi · 02-17-2011, 03:19 PM

Vader was there to make sure Tarkin didn't get any crazy ideas. He'd have found himself choked out or lightsabered. But Tarkin was in charge. Vader wasn't in the military hierarchy, but he was a veteran commander from the Clone Wars, so probably has a pretty good grasp of strategy. Better than Ozzel's, anyway.

jwoodwar · 02-17-2011, 03:22 PM

ok. so are we getting the original movies of star wars? or are we getting special edition of star wars?

Batman1980 · 02-17-2011, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jwoodwar

ok. so are we getting the original movies of star wars? or are we getting special edition of star wars?

Special editions, just not sure yet if new changes are being made to the 2004 releases other than a re-master and touch-ups.

IndefinentBlu · 02-17-2011, 03:32 PM

Visually:

1) Luke staring at the two setting suns.

2) The trench run.

3) The battle of hoth.

4) The color corrected lightsabers clashing together.

5) The death star exploding.

6) The battle over coruscant.
7) The battle of geonosis.

8) The asteriod chase scenes.

Audio:

1) The sound of the tie fighters and x-wings.

2) The sound of the wind whipping around on cloud city.

3) The sound of Vader breathing.

4) The clash of the lightsabers and the hum as they are swung.

6) The sound of the falcon going into hyperdrive.

AND WHO COULD FORGET:
7) John Williams glorious music.

I tell you September 27th will be a day LONG REMEMBERED.

JamesKurtovich · 02-17-2011, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by indefinentnj

Here are some problems with the OT **(NOTE: I AM NOT BASHING THE OT):

A New Hope:

1) Why! was Vader supposed to take orders from Tarkin, it seems as though Tarkin was in control of Vader, i would think it was the other way around, i mean what? did Tarkin do to be promoted to a level higher than Vader??

The Empire Strikes Back

1) How? was Luke able to fight Vader when he obviously was not yet fully trained, yet he was able to hold his own are we to believe obi wan somehow helped him from beyond the grave!

2) Why would Vader think that Luke would have joined him after he cut off his hand.

Return Of The Jedi.

1) The Emperor was treating Vader like crap telling him to leave his sight, and go onto the command ship and await HIS orders it was like the The Emperor had enough of him and couldn't wait to have Luke take his place.

2) Did Vader not know that the Emperor was planning to replace him with Luke did Vader not care?

Perhaps when Lucas made the first SW, he didn't think Vader would be as popular? It does seem like they didn't have his character totally figured out. Although he takes orders, I think it's safe to say that he doesn't see himself lower than them. The guy he choked was a top dog, right? Tarkin tells him, "Release him," because Tarkin wanted to conclude the meeting right away and tells Vader to "Terminate her immediately" because, well, if anyone is going to kill Leia Organa, it's going to be Vader. Vader also seems to have superhuman strength in the beginning of the movie which we don't see for the rest of the trilogy. He should be just holding up the guy by the throat with the force but he isn't.

Obi-Wan did help him? "Obi-Wan has taught you well." Obi-Wan becomes one with the force at the end of ANH and was able to help Luke whenever he wanted. Unfortunately we never get to see anything like that... Mostly because the movies only cover short periods of time.

I can only surmise that he figured Luke would understand since it's a sword fight and all. Plus it didn't seem to be too big of a deal in their universe with the high technology. Or Lucas/Kirsh thought it would make the fight more exciting.

Vader didn't know but probably suspected. Palpatine had already tried to replace him once before. Vader could not have done anything about it anyway as he was too weak to stand against the Emperor... He probably just hoped for the best. He didn't seem like an apprentice to me but more like Palpatine's slave.

Chordata · 02-17-2011, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

Perhaps when Lucas made the first SW, he didn't think Vader would be as popular? It does seem like they didn't have his character totally figured out. Although he takes orders, I think it's safe to say that he doesn't see himself lower than them. The guy he choked was a top dog, right? Tarkin tells him, "Release him," because Tarkin wanted to conclude the meeting right away and tells Vader to "Terminate her immediately" because, well, if anyone is going to kill Leia Organa, it's going to be Vader. Vader also seems to have superhuman strength in the beginning of the movie which we don't see for the rest of the trilogy. He should be just holding up the guy by the throat with the force but he isn't.

Regarding that "superhuman strength" it's funny that in the beginning when he boards the blockade runner, they originally had him tearing off that Rebel's arm. Might've even filmed it.

Also when they were doing ESB, Kirshner says he expected Vader to be a machine or an alien underneath the helmet when they did the "Vader in chamber" scene.

Jay444 · 02-17-2011, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

Perhaps when Lucas made the first SW, he didn't think Vader would be as popular? It does seem like they didn't have his character totally figured out. Although he takes orders, I think it's safe to say that he doesn't see himself lower than them. The guy he choked was a top dog, right? Tarkin tells him, "Release him," because Tarkin wanted to conclude the meeting right away and tells Vader to "Terminate her immediately" because, well, if anyone is going to kill Leia Organa, it's going to be Vader. Vader also seems to have superhuman strength in the beginning of the movie which we don't see for the rest of the trilogy. He should be just holding up the guy by the throat with the force but he isn't.

Obi-Wan did help him? "Obi-Wan has taught you well." Obi-Wan becomes one with the force at the end of ANH and was able to help Luke whenever he wanted. Unfortunately we never get to see anything like that... Mostly because the movies only cover short periods of time.

I can only surmise that he figured Luke would understand since it's a sword fight and all. Plus it didn't seem to be too big of a deal in their universe with the high technology. Or Lucas/Kirsh thought it would make the fight more exciting.

Vader didn't know but probably suspected. Palpatine had already tried to replace him once before. Vader could not have done anything about it anyway as he was too weak to stand against the Emperor... He probably just hoped for the best. He didn't seem like an apprentice to me but more like Palpatine's slave.

I agree, I don't think Lucas had the character totally thought out in the first film. I took him as being the Emperor's attack dog. Very telling is the line from Liea saying that she figured it was Tarken holding Vader's leash. So, I think she and the rest of the galaxy thought of Vader as an extension of the Emperor, i.e. if you met him you are in deep S#$$.

Vader takes more of a Vice President kind on role in Empire though. Fufilling the Emperor's wishes while trying to fufill his own political ambitions (i.e. bringing Luke to the dark side/his side while crushing the rebellion for Palpatine).

Batman1980 · 02-17-2011, 04:13 PM

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Regarding that "superhuman strength" it's funny that in the beginning when he boards the blockade runner, they originally had him tearing off that Rebel's arm. Might've even filmed it.

Also when they were doing ESB, Kirshner says he expected Vader to be a machine or an alien underneath the helmet when they did the "Vader in chamber" scene.

Vader is an alien, he may be human but he's from Tatooine, hardly Earth.

Chordata · 02-17-2011, 04:16 PM

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Vader is an alien, he may be human but he's from Tatooine, hardly Earth.

Darth Anakin, you will find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.....

Jay444 · 02-17-2011, 04:40 PM

Hey guys,

FYE has the saga for about 85. Seeing if Amazon will price match. Just a head's up for everyone who ordered. Link is below.

http://www.fye.com/Star-Wars--The-Co...VVviewprod.htm

ObiTrentKenobi · 02-17-2011, 04:44 PM

A lot of people like to make claims about the quality of filmmaking on Star Wars - and a lot of people pretend like they know answers to any question... but obviously after reading way too many arrogant posts - very few of you actually do have answers.

If you really care, read "The Making of Star Wars: The definitive story" and "The Making of Empire Strikes BAck: The definitive story", then, and maybe then - will I actually believe any of you are capable of understanding the process Star Wars had to go through from inception to film.

Lates.

IndefinentBlu · 02-17-2011, 04:49 PM

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