Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[watzcoc]

[QUOTE=kenkraly2004;4408495]

Originally Posted by chip75

the special editions of the original trilogy are great and most of the changes where made for the better and in someways are. However The original theatrical need to be persevered those are the cuts that a lot of the purists and fans of the OT want on blu-ray. I like both versions of the OT. If both versions of the OT are released on blu-ray I will be happy but if only the special edition of the OT is on the blu-ray box set I will not be disappointed. I have no problems with the special editions like some of the fans and purists have with them. I like all 6 films even the prequels.

The best change for me was in ESB, when the Emperor speaks to Vader in the com room. It somehow links alot together but there is one thing that does puzzle me slightly? When the Emperor tells Vader he has a son? Yet Vader at the beginning of Empire is hunting for Skywalker. Does Vader already know he is his son? or does he suspect so?

well after research GL says that there a lot of skywalker's in the universe, just like theres a lot of Smiths or Jones. On the other hand though, if you look at the expanded univers Luke faced and beat Vader in a lightsaber duel where Luke severed Vaders arm, This was done by the aid of the ghost of Obi Wan. Luke was looking for a crystal that has something to do with the force(the name escapes me right now!) on Yavin.

So Vader would suspect something and when we come to Empire thats one of the reasons why Vader is looking for Luke?

There are so many inconsistencies and tbh i am not sure what to make of the "in between" events of the movies.

Take Clone Wars, its going on for so long and the thought of Anakin having an apprentice so early also puzzles me!

your thoughts would be appreciated.

[frogmort]

Kaiburr crystal

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by watzcoc

The best change for me was in ESB, when the Emperor speaks to Vader in the com room. It somehow links alot together but there is one thing that does puzzle me slightly? When the Emperor tells Vader he has a son? Yet Vader at the beginning of Empire is hunting for Skywalker. Does Vader already know he is his son? or does he suspect so?

well after research GL says that there a lot of skywalker's in the universe, just like theres a lot of Smiths or Jones. On the other hand though, if you look at the expanded univers Luke faced and beat Vader in a lightsaber duel where Luke severed Vaders arm, This was done by the aid of the ghost of Obi Wan. Luke was looking for a crystal that has something to do with the force(the name escapes me right now!) on Yavin.

So Vader would suspect something and when we come to Empire thats one of the reasons why Vader is looking for Luke?

There are so many inconsistencies and tbh i am not sure what to make of the "in between" events of the movies.

Take Clone Wars, its going on for so long and the thought of Anakin having an apprentice so early also puzzles me!

your thoughts would be appreciated.

I like the clone wars tv series and Anakin having an apprentice in ahsoka tano does'nt bother me at all.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by watzcoc

Take Clone Wars, its going on for so long and the thought of Anakin having an apprentice so early also puzzles me!

The Clone Wars only lasted about three years (the time between Episode II and a bit into Episode III), and Anakin joins the council in Ep.III but is not given the rank of Master. Also remember the Jedi need more people in the field and on the job experience is far better than classroom studies. Ahsoka Tano was brought in for the youngers viewers but I quite like her character and she's grown as a charcacter (although she disappeared for a few episodes in season 2. So it does seem odd that he's given an Padawan but the titles of Knight and Master are used by Padawans and other Knights. I though you needed to be a Master to train a Padawan but I was wrong.

From Wikipedia.

Jedi Knight: Occasionally, performing an extraordinary (usually heroic) act can earn a Padawan learner Jedi status, such as when Obi-Wan Kenobi defeats the Sith Lord Darth Maul.

Jedi Master: A Jedi Knight may become a Jedi Master after successfully training a Padawan learner to Knight status. Though this is the most common manner, there are other ways of attaining the rank. Also, "Master Jedi" is the common honorific.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by frogmort

Kaiburr crystal

I'd love it (with some alterations) if they made Splinter of a Minds Eye in to a feature length The Clone Wars style film.

[rexington]

[QUOTE=watzcoc;4408516]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

The best change for me was in ESB, when the Emperor speaks to Vader in the com room. It somehow links alot together but there is one thing that does puzzle me slightly? When the Emperor tells Vader he has a son? Yet Vader at the beginning of Empire is hunting for Skywalker. Does Vader already know he is his son? or does he suspect so?

well after research GL says that there a lot of skywalker's in the universe, just like theres a lot of Smiths or Jones. On the other hand though, if you look at the expanded univers Luke faced and beat Vader in a lightsaber duel where Luke severed Vaders arm, This was done by the aid of the ghost of Obi Wan. Luke was looking for a crystal that has something to do with the force(the name escapes me right now!) on Yavin.

So Vader would suspect something and when we come to Empire thats one of the reasons why Vader is looking for Luke?

There are so many inconsistencies and tbh i am not sure what to make of the "in between" events of the movies.

Take Clone Wars, its going on for so long and the thought of Anakin having an apprentice so early also puzzles me!

your thoughts would be appreciated.

Imortant point; The expanded universe is not canon, only the movies and now (according to Lucas) so is the Clone Wars animated series.

The expanded universe has several good ideas but an aweful lot of bad ideas (personally I don't think generic, muscular square jawed heroes, huge Gears of War style space marines/clonetroopers or Matrix like Sith have a place in the Star Wars universe - they just serve to water down the uniqueness of the Star Wars universe). It's also so much more inconsistant than anything in the movies so I wouldn't look to it for answers.

Lucas and Filoni have gone to great lengths to keep the heroes physically regular joes and vulnerable while keeping the overall filming style kind of 'oldskool' so it has kept the integrity of the movies.

The Clone Wars series is still going and given the recent episodes dealing with the force, bringing in OT elements (Chewie, Tarkin) and touching on Asoka's future, I'm confident it will deal with any apparent plotholes soon enough.

Rex

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by watzcoc

Imortant point; The expanded universe is not canon, only the movies and now (according to Lucas) so is the Clone Wars animated series.

The expanded universe has several good ideas but an aweful lot of bad ideas (personally I don't think generic, muscular square jawed heroes, huge Gears of War style space marines/clonetroopers or Matrix like Sith have a place in the Star Wars universe - they just serve to water down the uniqueness of the Star Wars universe). It's also so much more inconsistant than anything in the movies so I wouldn't look to it for answers.

Lucas and Filoni have gone to great lengths to keep the heroes physically regular joes and vulnerable while keeping the overall filming style kind of 'oldskool' so it has kept the integrity of the movies.

The Clone Wars series is still going and given the recent episodes dealing with the force, bringing in OT elements (Chewie, Tarkin) and touching on Asoka's future, I'm confident it will deal with any apparent plotholes soon enough.

Rex

Agreed the clone wars tv series continues to get better and better both George Lucas and Dave Filoni and their creative team working on the show do a great job on it.

[dcowboy7]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

Agreed the clone wars tv series continues to get better and better both George Lucas and Dave Filoni and their creative team working on the show do a great job on it.

Still waiting for season 2 to hit that $29.99 point....cmon already.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by dcowboy7

Still waiting for season 2 to hit that $29.99 point....cmon already.

It hit £16.99 last week on Amazon.co.uk for the UK version. Which was happy times for a lot of guys, including me....

Base still have it sub £18 and there's a charge for US orders. I'm not sure about the region coding but it is a Warners title.

Star Wars The Clone Wars Season 2 Blu-ray

[goresnet]

I saw a workprint once. It was an unfinished, in-process piece of work. Not something that was released to theaters, hoping that one day the technology would exist in order to complete the effects. As a matter of fact, it didn't get released to theaters until after all the effects were completed, with whatever technology available at the time. Workprint = incomplete. The original Star Wars movies had their effects completed, and they were released to theaters. Therefore, the Original Star Wars =/= workprint. If it's true that Lucas calls them classic now, instead of workprints, then I'm happy for that. Now, if we could actually get those classics restored and on blu, then at least half of us would be super happy!

As for extended, director's cuts, whatever, released after Award nominations... I can't think of one instance where said extended edition, etc. was the version nominated. As far as I recall, it's the theatrical version that is nominated.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by goresnet

As for extended, director's cuts, whatever, released after Award nominations... I can't think of one instance where said extended edition, etc. was the version nominated. As far as I recall, it's the theatrical version that is nominated.

I think the term Director's Cut is wildly misused. The versions of LOTR in theatres were the DC's. Half the time it's just a marketing ploy. It was different 20 years ago maybe even 10 when films were taken out of a directors hands (if they weren't granted final cut in their contract) or the director was just a hired shooter and the studio or producer had the final cut. But most of the stuff we see now is trimmed down with the directors wishes and based on test screenings and market research. The extended editions are usually nothing more than home theatre editions.

They say films are abandoned and not finished and Star Wars is one of these but it doesn't deter from the fact that the original theatrical versions are important parts of our culture and should be preserved for prosperity of the people who experienced it and now wish to do so. George Lucas should continue with his tinkering as he sees fit but he should feel the originals are every bit as important.

[goresnet]

Originally Posted by chip75

they say films are abandoned and not finished and star wars is one of these but it doesn't deter from the fact that the original theatrical versions are important parts of our culture and should be preserved for prosperity of the people who experienced it and now wish to do so. George lucas should continue with his tinkering as he sees fit but he should feel the originals are every bit as important.

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[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by chip75

They say films are abandoned and not finished and Star Wars is one of these but it doesn't deter from the fact that the original theatrical versions are important parts of our culture and should be preserved for prosperity of the people who experienced it and now wish to do so. George Lucas should continue with his tinkering as he sees fit but he should feel the originals are every bit as important.

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See, Lucas should use them as a marketing ploy. Bring the originals up to BluRay standards and include them in the all-encompassing set. I'd swallow the bitter pill of the prequels if I had to get them to get at the unaltered classic trilogy in high def.

As it is now, I'm just buying the three-disk classic trilogy.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

+2

See, Lucas should use them as a marketing ploy. Bring the originals up to BluRay standards and include them in the all-encompassing set. I'd swallow the bitter pill of the prequels if I had to get them to get at the unaltered classic trilogy in high def.

As it is now, I'm just buying the three-disk classic trilogy.

Why bother? Other than a few hardcore fans on the net.... most people don't care what version they own. That's clear from sales.

Besides, they'd have to put at least 3 more discs in the set to put the original versions on there. Since they can't be seamless branched.

Also, Lucas would have to spend a whole lot of money restoring and remastering those versions to bring them up to par for Blu-Ray.

And why should he ignore his artistic desires and throw money at releaseing versions of the films that he finds inferior. Just silly.

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by Beast

Why bother? Other than a few hardcore fans on the net.... most people don't care what version they own. That's clear from sales.

Besides, they'd have to put at least 3 more discs in the set to put the original versions on there. Since they can't be seamless branched.

Also, Lucas would have to spend a whole lot of money restoring and remastering those versions to bring them up to par for Blu-Ray.

And why should he ignore his artistic desires and throw money at releaseing versions of the films that he finds inferior. Just silly.

Maybe because the fans want them?

[Beast]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

Maybe because the fans want them?

And? It's not like he's taking away those VHS, Laserdisc, or DVD versions. They're there if you want them.

[gregmasciola]

Originally Posted by Beast

And? It's not like he's taking away those VHS, Laserdisc, or DVD versions. They're there if you want them.

Let me start by saying that I prefer the special editions of the movies. But the point some are trying to make is they want the unaltered trilogy in hi-def, not non-anamorphic low quality versions. They want to see them with great picture quality but without the changes.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Beast

Why bother? Other than a few hardcore fans on the net.... most people don't care what version they own. That's clear from sales.

Oh yes, the sales numbers are indisputable. The versions available for sale are clearly outselling the versions that are not available for sale.

[al cos.]

Originally Posted by Beast

Also, Lucas would have to spend a whole lot of money restoring and remastering those versions to bring them up to par for Blu-Ray.

Not really, it's just as doable as any other movie. Look into it and try to at least be accurate if you're determined to thwart your loneliness with this same rap for the rest of the year.

[rexington]

Just realised; September will most likely also see season 4 of Clone Wars being aired!

It'll be an even greater month!

Given the OT details coming into season 3, makes me wonder if season 4 might not have a greater connection (other than marketing) to the OT?

More connections to Ep III is a given.

Rex