Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Bluyoda]

Well, I enjoy the little silly moments, but I could live without the Jabba in ANH, as the tail bit is really over the top, and it doesn't add much at all, as he wrote the Greedo scene instead, but I understand why Lucas wanted to have Jabba in ANH, and it doesn't kill my enjoyment of the film.

The Han/Greedo shot first thing, I couldn't care less about, as it happens so fast that I really don't get what all the commotion is.

I like the musical number in ROTJ, and think most of the puppets should be replaced with CGI characters, especially the co-pilot of Lando later on.
That's going to stick out like a sore thumb.

Ideally, George would have ILM re-do some of the fixed effects shots to bring them up to date, same goes for Yoda in TPM and AOTC, and perhaps even TESB and ROTJ (Let the flaming begin)
The Beak of the Sarlacc pit in the desert could look better, but the VFX of the SE are a gazillion times better than the puppets in the UOT, such as the Rancor, the one-eyed monster in ANH, the giant asteroid monster etc..

I can't believe that "fans" actually complain about stuff such as Darth Vader's walk towards the shuttle, which is really cool and ominous imo..
The changes are to 99% for the better, and I frankly doubt anyone would really want to see the UOT with its warts and all.

For the SE in '97, George was basically testing if what he imagined would be possible now, then in '04 they made some changes to link it better with the PT, and I cannot wait to experience the changes made for the FINAL versions (they said they won't change anything for the 3-D versions other than the added dimension)!!

Oh, the tautauns should be CGId too.

and while were at it: Can someone please change Leia's costumes, except for the one in Jabba's palace, of course. , but the white one in ANH in particular is terribly terrible.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Well, I enjoy the little silly moments, but I could live without the Jabba in ANH, as the tail bit is really over the top, and it doesn't add much at all, as he wrote the Greedo scene instead, but I understand why Lucas wanted to have Jabba in ANH, and it doesn't kill my enjoyment of the film.

The Han/Greedo shot first thing, I couldn't care less about, as it happens so fast that I really don't get what all the commotion is.

I like the musical number in ROTJ, and think most of the puppets should be replaced with CGI characters, especially the co-pilot of Lando later on.
That's going to stick out like a sore thumb.

Ideally, George would have ILM re-do some of the fixed effects shots to bring them up to date, same goes for Yoda in TPM and AOTC, and perhaps even TESB and ROTJ (Let the flaming begin)
The Beak of the Sarlacc pit in the desert could look better, but the VFX of the SE are a gazillion times better than the puppets in the UOT, such as the Rancor, the one-eyed monster in ANH, the giant asteroid monster etc..

I can't believe that "fans" actually complain about stuff such as Darth Vader's walk towards the shuttle, which is really cool and ominous imo..
The changes are to 99% for the better, and I frankly doubt anyone would really want to see the UOT with its warts and all.

For the SE in '97, George was basically testing if what he imagined would be possible now, then in '04 they made some changes to link it better with the PT, and I cannot wait to experience the changes made for the FINAL versions (they said they won't change anything for the 3-D versions other than the added dimension)!!

Oh, the tautauns should be CGId too.

and while were at it: Can someone please change Leia's costumes, except for the one in Jabba's palace, of course. , but the white one in ANH in particular is terribly terrible.

What are they going to do, have Fisher digitally altered to give her new clothes? That would be a bit much, I think.

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Well, I enjoy the little silly moments, but I could live without the Jabba in ANH, as the tail bit is really over the top, and it doesn't add much at all, as he wrote the Greedo scene instead, but I understand why Lucas wanted to have Jabba in ANH, and it doesn't kill my enjoyment of the film.

The Han/Greedo shot first thing, I couldn't care less about, as it happens so fast that I really don't get what all the commotion is.

I like the musical number in ROTJ, and think most of the puppets should be replaced with CGI characters, especially the co-pilot of Lando later on.
That's going to stick out like a sore thumb.

Ideally, George would have ILM re-do some of the fixed effects shots to bring them up to date, same goes for Yoda in TPM and AOTC, and perhaps even TESB and ROTJ (Let the flaming begin)
The Beak of the Sarlacc pit in the desert could look better, but the VFX of the SE are a gazillion times better than the puppets in the UOT, such as the Rancor, the one-eyed monster in ANH, the giant asteroid monster etc..

I can't believe that "fans" actually complain about stuff such as Darth Vader's walk towards the shuttle, which is really cool and ominous imo..
The changes are to 99% for the better, and I frankly doubt anyone would really want to see the UOT with its warts and all.

For the SE in '97, George was basically testing if what he imagined would be possible now, then in '04 they made some changes to link it better with the PT, and I cannot wait to experience the changes made for the FINAL versions (they said they won't change anything for the 3-D versions other than the added dimension)!!

Oh, the tautauns should be CGId too.

and while were at it: Can someone please change Leia's costumes, except for the one in Jabba's palace, of course. , but the white one in ANH in particular is terribly terrible.

Well said bluyoda could'nt agree with you more very good points indeed.

[JoshKelhoffer]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

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The changes are to 99% for the better, and I frankly doubt anyone would really want to see the UOT with its warts and all.

Once again, it's all down to taste. Personally, I think the more they change, the more it makes the retro footage standout and clash with the new footage.

Plus, the goofy stuff is....well goofy! Too goofy for my tastes, in fact.

Here's my question to you. Prior to the 1997 editions, did you at all like Star Wars? The films, I mean. I don't care about the books or games. Because, it sounds like you didn't. And if you did, it's quite clear that you didn't like them that much, if you wish them to be changed every few years.

If you're looking to enjoy something, looking at the effects won't help much. The characters and story are what last. If you can't get into that, then no matter change is made, you will never be satisfied, because such things are of a superficial nature. This is why I don't mind improving upon what is already there, like they did with Blade Runner a few years back. Taking the footage shot and adding more texture and detail? Or a new background matte? Or even redoing the shot in CG does not bother me? The stuff in Mos Eisley where the Jawas have a Mel Brooksian encounter with a "beast of burden?" Can't stand it! Sticks out way too much! Too much like a cartoon in tone. Not even complaining about the CGI, just the actual scene itself. If it were live action, I'd still hate it.

That asteroid monster you speak of? Well, I don't give it too much of a glance. I don't even notice many of those flaws really. I'm too much into the moment, with Han and Leia's banters. My favorite is, though not exactly word for word, "No time for a committee!" "I am not a committee!"

If it weren't for Han, Luke, and Leia, I wouldn't even care about Star Wars. One of the reasons I don't like the prequels as much is because I don't the characters in those films very charismatic. Btw, I just pretty much explained why I like Star Wars. Perhaps instead of this dry bickering, we can actually discuss why we like Star Wars or even talk about the Blu Ray. Hopeful bonus features perhaps?

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by JoshKelhoffer

If you're looking to enjoy something, looking at the effects won't help much. The characters and story are what last. If you can't get into that, then no matter change is made, you will never be satisfied, because such things are of a superficial nature.

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If it weren't for Han, Luke, and Leia, I wouldn't even care about Star Wars. One of the reasons I don't like the prequels as much is because I don't the characters in those films very charismatic.

I very much agree with this. The prequels were just lacking in compelling characters to me. And there's just so many either little plot holes... or things that maybe aren't necessarily plot holes depending on how you look at and interpret them, but they still require special interpretation in order for them to make sense rather than being more straight forward as they should be.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

They need it, because they don't want their brains switched on while watching a movie. ,but they sure as heckfire wnat to complain about the stupidity of the movies, and the giant plot holes....

It's not about the money, it's about George's original conception of what SW was supposed to be.
He was never happy with the UOT, hence the touch-ups, which could be improved upon, and he has, but let's see what the latest versions are going to look like...

Ugh. Another SW fanboy telling everyone they don't "get" SW as a defense to it's decline.

What once was great is now mediocre in so many ways (and pure 3-year-old junk in so many others). People pick SW apart not because they "need" to, but because it's such an easy target.

It was never made to be trash like The Mummy was. SW (and Indiana Jones) were designed as comic-book style cereals whose emphasis was adventure, not bad writing/bad acting/bad scripting/revising over and over and over until what you are left with is a stinking pile of fly-covered dung.

It just shows that Lucas was never that good of a fimmaker to begin with. Even in it's original form, RoTJ was starting to show his limits. It just took his endless tinkering and Kingdom of the Crystal Skull to show the complete truth of the matter.

I love that fanboys try to turn SW into something that it was never meant to be, because their god in the flannel shirt claims what once was great was always supposed to be mediocre.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by atexp80

What it basically boils down to is:

1) People who will buy Star Wars regardless of the version
2) People who will buy Star Wars regardless of the version, though would prefer the original cuts also be included
3) People who refuse to buy Star Wars if the original cuts are not included
4) People who refuse to buy Star Wars unless the only cuts included are the originals

By far the largest portion of people would fall into category 1. Then you've got people like me who would fall into the second - people who saw and grew up with the original versions before the '97 SE's came out yet can look past the changes and appreciate all the things in the films that still make them enjoyable. Lastly you have an undefined number of people in the third and fourth categories. Unfortunately for them, when you combine everyone from the first two categories they form an overwhelming majority of people who will purchase the release. So, basically what you have left is the small group of people demanding the originals from their creator who hates them and does not want to spend any additional money to release them. With the vast majority willing to financially support that viewpoint by buying the titles there is simply no motivation for Lucas to do so.

That pretty much sums it up.

[kenkraly2004]

I like star wars all 6 films and I mean all the versions of the films including the prequels and the special editions of the original trilogy and the un-alltered version of the original trilogy. They are all good films even with their flaws in them. I am true star wars fan and not a PT and SE OT basher like some people on here are. To me fans who bash the PT and the SE's of the OT aren't true star wars fans. If I upset's some people I'm sorry. But we should all just enjoy the films instead of complaining about the faults in them.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

I like star wars all 6 films and I mean all the versions of the films including the prequels and the special editions of the original trilogy and the un-alltered version of the original trilogy. They are all good films even with their flaws in them. I am true star wars fan and not a PT and SE OT basher like some people on here are. To me fans who bash the PT and the SE's of the OT aren't true star wars fans. If I upset's some people I'm sorry. But we should all just enjoy the films instead of complaining about the faults in them.

Another "true fan" post. LOL. So condescending and presumptive to think that your way of looking at things is the only correct way of looking at them.

Come on. You can make complaints or requests about something and still like it. I do not believe that the two notions are not mutually exclusive. Only true fans of logic agree with me...

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

Only true fans of logic agree with me...

Very well said!

I agree.

I think almost everyone posting in here is a Star Wars fan in some form or another. I doubt any of us would care enough to discuss it if we weren't.


Sometimes I think I am just too logical, though. I think if I cared less about logic, I would probably enjoy the prequels a lot more than I currently do.

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

Another "true fan" post. LOL. So condescending and presumptive to think that your way of looking at things is the only correct way of looking at them.

Come on. You can make complaints or requests about something and still like it. I do not believe that the two notions are not mutually exclusive. Only true fans of logic agree with me...

I just can't stand the bashing of the PT and the SE's of the OT. Their is too much of it and it's boring.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

I just can't stand the bashing of the PT and the SE's of the OT. Their is too much of it and it's boring.

I hear ya, and you don't have to like the bashing, just as the bashers don't have to like the PT/SEs.

Like you, I don't mind the changes in the SEs. I'm not crazy about the PTs, though, as I've documented ad nauseum in this thread.

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

I hear ya, and you don't have to like the bashing, just as the bashers don't have to like the PT/SEs.

Like you, I don't mind the changes in the SEs. I'm not crazy about the PTs, though, as I've documented ad nauseum in this thread.

Agreed although I like the PT some fans don't and I understand that but I did'nt have any problems with them. Sure they do have their flaws but they are enjoyable films at least episodes 2 and 3.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

Agreed although I like the PT some fans don't and I understand that but I did'nt have any problems with them.

Hey my older brother is the same way. He loves them and he can't figure out why I don't. He might disown me.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by JoshKelhoffer

Once again, it's all down to taste. Personally, I think the more they change, the more it makes the retro footage standout and clash with the new footage.

Plus, the goofy stuff is....well goofy! Too goofy for my tastes, in fact.

Here's my question to you. Prior to the 1997 editions, did you at all like Star Wars? The films, I mean. I don't care about the books or games. Because, it sounds like you didn't. And if you did, it's quite clear that you didn't like them that much, if you wish them to be changed every few years.

If you're looking to enjoy something, looking at the effects won't help much. The characters and story are what last. If you can't get into that, then no matter change is made, you will never be satisfied, because such things are of a superficial nature. This is why I don't mind improving upon what is already there, like they did with Blade Runner a few years back. Taking the footage shot and adding more texture and detail? Or a new background matte? Or even redoing the shot in CG does not bother me? The stuff in Mos Eisley where the Jawas have a Mel Brooksian encounter with a "beast of burden?" Can't stand it! Sticks out way too much! Too much like a cartoon in tone. Not even complaining about the CGI, just the actual scene itself. If it were live action, I'd still hate it.

That asteroid monster you speak of? Well, I don't give it too much of a glance. I don't even notice many of those flaws really. I'm too much into the moment, with Han and Leia's banters. My favorite is, though not exactly word for word, "No time for a committee!" "I am not a committee!"

If it weren't for Han, Luke, and Leia, I wouldn't even care about Star Wars. One of the reasons I don't like the prequels as much is because I don't the characters in those films very charismatic. Btw, I just pretty much explained why I like Star Wars. Perhaps instead of this dry bickering, we can actually discuss why we like Star Wars or even talk about the Blu Ray. Hopeful bonus features perhaps?

Believe it or not, I agree with you more than you may think.

I also think that story is king, and that the characters have to be engaging, and that no matter how awesome the VFX are, if the story is crappy then not even those can rescue the movie, Transformers being an excellent example.

I can live with all the flaws, and have enjoyed the films countless times.
However, I wouldn't mind updates of the VFX, because they'd just make the films even more incredible. The story isn't altered anyway, so no concerns here.

U r right, I didn't become a SW fan until the SE, never cared about the EU, and probably never will.
I love the Saga for its messages, and philosophy, not because the SFX are out of this world fantastic.
The SFX in SW are used to create these distant fairy tale worlds, no more no less.
I think my favorite CG character would be Watto, because he blends right in.

I feel very strongly about Padme, Anakin and Obi Wan, as well as Qui Gon Jinn, Yoda etc., and ROTS is the most heartbreaking episode of the entire Saga. TESB isn't nearly as emotional to me, but as you say, it's all a matter of taste.
I think most people love the OT because of the cool action, Han Solo, and the force, but failed to see that it's about much more than that.
Some whimsical moments are very healthy imo, and I can't stand how Nolan, for instance, has zero sense of humor.
George has always had a whimsical sense of humor, and I enjoy that.
We shouldn't take everything so seriously.

The PT made SW much larger and told a grander story, one that he could never have told back then, and I love that.

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

I very much agree with this. The prequels were just lacking in compelling characters to me. And there's just so many either little plot holes... or things that maybe aren't necessarily plot holes depending on how you look at and interpret them, but they still require special interpretation in order for them to make sense rather than being more straight forward as they should be.

Says who?

People complain about the same kind of films all the time, but when a more challenging film comes along they demand everything to be laid out as it's supposed to be.
I like it this way. You may call me a Lucas fanboy, or whatever. I don't care.
I just like the concept. It's more like reality, where you have to put A+B together all by yourself. It's way more complex than other films.
That's one of the things I truly enjoy about the Saga.

[AintNoSin]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

Their is too much of it and it's boring.

Ever wonder WHY there is so much of it?

There is much bashing of the Cleveland Cavaliers, too. It's because they're a crappy basketball team and deserved to get slammed.

To put it another way:

"Where there's smoke..."

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by AintNoSin

Ever wonder WHY there is so much of it?

There is much bashing of the Cleveland Cavaliers, too. It's because they're a crappy basketball team and deserved to get slammed.

To put it another way:

"Where there's smoke..."

off-topic I whould say.

[JamesKurtovich]

I mostly dislike the lack of likable characters in the PT, story-wise. Although it would be better if you didn't need to read a book to understand parts of the story... Or rely on weird explanations...

But the overuse of CGI, I think, is what turned me off. The sterile, excessively polished world of the PT (aside from a few well done scenes like Kashyyyk and bits of Coruscant) just don't pull you in as they appear more like video games than anything. I think Lucas should have utilized the CGI more carefully instead of relying on it for everything.

[AintNoSin]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

off-topic I whould say.

No, just a valid comparison.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

I mostly dislike the lack of likable characters in the PT, story-wise. Although it would be better if you didn't need to read a book to understand parts of the story... Or rely on weird explanations...

But the overuse of CGI, I think, is what turned me off. The sterile, excessively polished world of the PT (aside from a few well done scenes like Kashyyyk and bits of Coruscant) just don't pull you in as they appear more like video games than anything. I think Lucas should have utilized the CGI more carefully instead of relying on it for everything.

Not trying to extend my bashing, but a thread from last week has helped me focus my complaints, I think: I think the PT is more style over substance, more story over characters.

I loved the characters in the OT which is why, for me, the movies worked. ROTJ was a little more "story over characters," which is why it's my least favorite of the 3.

I think the PTs try too hard to move the story along, so things feel forced. They had to cover so much ground in such little time. For those saying "we don't need everything explained" - I agree, which is why I think seeing Anakin as a little kid was a waste of time. (I say this knowing full well, however, that kids I know LOVE TPM because of Anakin)