Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

Hitler buys the Death Star and accidental destroys Earth



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[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

You surely are teasing us here, right?

They are going to look so much better, it's not even funny.

AOTC and ROTS may look great for DVD, but there is still tons of background noise, lack of sharpness and detail, and overall clarity.
They certainly look the best of the bunch.

Uh...actually it's the opposite.

George was so hellbent on filming digitally that he messed up. The cameras he used to shoot those films in were only capable of 1080p.

"But Blu-ray is 1080p, perfect!" you might say.

Not really...that detail we all love so much that comes out from the 2K (minimum these days for new transfers), 4K, and now even 8K from real 35mm film prints...doesn't exist for these films. 1080p is the best they will ever be, because that's how they were filmed.

Hopefully it will be acceptable for this release, but it was a huge error on George's part, because with real film we can keep scanning and upgrading it with better tech, but those two films will forever be stuck with early 2000's tech. Forever.

In terms of clarity and image, the original trilogy will likely be better on Blu as it is from a real film source, not "they just sent this to us brand new from the manufacturer a week before shooting" HD cameras where the tech is over a decade old at this point.

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by BillieCassin

Uh...actually it's the opposite.

George was so hellbent on filming digitally that he messed up. The cameras he used to shoot those films in were only capable of 1080p.

"But Blu-ray is 1080p, perfect!" you might say.

Not really...that detail we all love so much that comes out from the 2K (minimum these days for new transfers), 4K, and now even 8K from real 35mm film prints...doesn't exist for these films. 1080p is the best they will ever be, because that's how they were filmed.

Hopefully it will be acceptable for this release, but it was a huge error on George's part, because with real film we can keep scanning and upgrading it with better tech, but those two films will forever be stuck with early 2000's tech. Forever.

In terms of clarity and image, the original trilogy will likely be better on Blu as it is from a real film source, not "they just sent this to us brand new from the manufacturer a week before shooting" HD cameras where the tech is over a decade old at this point.

Considering the big FU Lucas gave UOT fanatics by releasing those letterboxed on DVD, he may lessen the OT PQ to match across the board for the whole saga. Imagine the *****ing and moaning that will come from the OT worshiping crowd on that. Have to admit, that will give me a bit of a chuckle.

[JoshKelhoffer]

Originally Posted by STARKILLER--1138

Considering the big FU Lucas gave UOT fanatics by releasing those letterboxed on DVD, he may lessen the OT PQ to match across the board for the whole saga. Imagine the *****ing and moaning that will come from the OT worshiping crowd on that. Have to admit, that will give me a bit of a chuckle.

I find your lack of sarcasm disturbing

Originally Posted by Duffy12

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Certainly a product of our fine educational establishments

[OG Pooh]

I just hope the same thing doesn't happen that happened with MIB on BD... Sets & props painfully revealed to the point that I actually prefer the DVD. Trying to watch the opening scenes in the desert is now almost impossible. The fact that it's a set is beyond obvious. The cactus look incredibly fake, the ground doesn't look like ground... Hell, in a couple of shots, you can even tell the night sky is just a black sheet. Considering how much of the OT was small sets, I'm very afraid.

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by joshkelhoffer

i find your lack of sarcasm disturbing

[STARKILLER--1138]

[kenkraly2004]

Movie changes and additional scenes if more changes are coming, here's what I'd like to see:

Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace
• Digital Yoda

Star Wars Episode II: Attack Of The Clones
• Update Qui-Gon’s voice during the Tusken slaughter
• More Clone Troopers

Star Wars Episode III: Revenge Of The Sith
• Add Qui-Gon Jin as a Ghost Talking to Yoda on Polis Massa

Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope
• Use updated version of 20th Century Fox Fanfare
• Smooth out Luke first igniting his lightsaber
• Color Luke’s green lightsaber to be blue
• Color Luke’s white lightsaber to be blue
• Fix the lightsabers during the Obi-Wan vs. Vader duel
• Remove matte lines from TIE Fighters
• Special Effects Touch Up's
• Fix The Lighsaber Colors
• Fix The Sound Mix and have the force fanfare sound clearly and not dialed down in the sound mix.
• Fix The Color Timing

Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
• Fix Luke’s lightsaber powering down sound as he runs out of the wampa cave
• Remove matte lines
• Special Effects Touch Up's
• Fix The Lighsaber Colors
• Fix The Color Timing


Star Wars Episode VI: Return Of The Jedi
• Remove the black blob that is on the Emperor’s face
• Fix Vader & Luke’s lightsaber cross in front of the Emperor
• Remove Luke’s lightsaber from Vader’s left hand during the duel
• Fix Luke’s lightsaber as he’s looking at his hand
• Special Effects Touch Up's
• Fix The Lighsaber Color
• Fix The Color Timing

[Nicolawicz]

Originally Posted by BillieCassin

George was so hellbent on filming digitally that he messed up. The cameras he used to shoot those films in were only capable of 1080p.

As stupid and shortsighted as everything this idiot has done since 1997. How pathetic Lucas' sense of consistency is. The six films that are being released seen as a whole (and individually, for that matter) are a grotesque joke; 30+ year old films with added CGI, the last two shot on video, meaning that there's not even consistency between the prequels themselves. Simple things as plastic suits done in CGI, ideas so stupid and forced coincidences so abysmal it's hard to believe.

[IndefinentBlu]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Boy! you truly want to have the wrath of the OT fans on you

No!I would not want that i however am a fan of both the PT/OT.

[IndefinentBlu]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

No.

Why don't Owen and Beru remember Threepio? You'd think he'd be like, "I suppose you're programmed for etiquette and proto... Wait. Threepio?! Long time no see, buddy! How long? Since Luke's grandmother was taken away by sand people, right?"

I agree with you buddy

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

No.

Why don't Owen and Beru remember Threepio? You'd think he'd be like, "I suppose you're programmed for etiquette and proto... Wait. Threepio?! Long time no see, buddy! How long? Since Luke's grandmother was taken away by sand people, right?"

Originally Posted by Dotpattern

Well in all fairness, 3PO was silver in AOTC, and was gold in ANH so in Owen's eyes he could have been a different droid.

Originally Posted by Beast

And we also have to remeber that most people see and treat droids as just tools. And not as Sentient Robots.

Anakin and Luke's relationships with R2 is the exception, not the rule. Even routine mindwipes are normal for other droids.

You wouldn't encounter a toaster you owned 18 years ago and remember it after all.

In an unusual move for me, I am actually going to somewhat defend the PT on this one.

In addition to the points made by Dotpattern and Beast (both of whom made good points), in ANH, when Owen sees C3PO, he says, "I assume you're programmed for ettiquette and protocal".

So, we could make the assumption that even though he doesn't realize it is the same droid (since there are many similar droids out there), Owen's previous direct experience with C3PO is what made him immediately come to that conclusion.

And since it had been probably 20+ years since Owen last saw him and his outer coverings had changed, that he wouldn't immediately assume it to be the same droid.




Now, having said that and having defended the PT in that respect, IMO this is still the kind of thing (though a much lesser form of it) that could have and should been avoided as even being an issue in regards to how the PT was written. C3PO could have been written into the PT in a different manner in which he never would have met or interacted with Owen and his family at all what-so-ever, thus preventing this question from even coming up.

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by Beast

And we also have to remeber that most people see and treat droids as just tools. And not as Sentient Robots.

Anakin and Luke's relationships with R2 is the exception, not the rule. Even routine mindwipes are normal for other droids.

You wouldn't encounter a toaster you owned 18 years ago and remember it after all.

Absolutely correct. Droids were like tools/cars and were often sold or just plain broke down. The only thing I think that would make anyone remember C-3P0 was his voice, but even then can we really assume that his voice was exclusive to the one Anakin built? For all we know, Anakin got C-3P0 from a mail order kit, which would have been mass produced, and came with a variety of voices to chose from (sorta like I know my GPS is not the only one in the world with Mr. T as its voice). So, I see no real issue with this. While we may have to fill in few of the blanks on our own, I don't think this is something Lucas really expected people to stop and think about. They are just movies designed to entertain.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Jay444

Absolutely correct. Droids were like tools/cars and were often sold or just plain broke down. The only thing I think that would make anyone remember C-3P0 was his voice, but even then can we really assume that his voice was exclusive to the one Anakin built? For all we know, Anakin got C-3P0 from a mail order kit, which would have been mass produced, and came with a variety of voices to chose from (sorta like I know my GPS is not the only one in the world with Mr. T as its voice). So, I see no real issue with this. While we may have to fill in few of the blanks on our own, I don't think this is something Lucas really expected people to stop and think about. They are just movies designed to entertain.

Of course not! Many will tell you they are more than just movies, they are a gift from the gods of cinema that Lucas as destroyed over the years

I am just kidding those that take these movies a bit too seriously

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Jay444

For all we know, Anakin got C-3P0 from a mail order kit, which would have been mass produced, and came with a variety of voices to chose from (sorta like I know my GPS is not the only one in the world with Mr. T as its voice).

You do realise that Mr. T sits a room all day waiting for your car to move to give you directions?

He also pities the fools at rush hour....

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by BillieCassin

Uh...actually it's the opposite.

George was so hellbent on filming digitally that he messed up. The cameras he used to shoot those films in were only capable of 1080p.

"But Blu-ray is 1080p, perfect!" you might say.

Not really...that detail we all love so much that comes out from the 2K (minimum these days for new transfers), 4K, and now even 8K from real 35mm film prints...doesn't exist for these films. 1080p is the best they will ever be, because that's how they were filmed.

Hopefully it will be acceptable for this release, but it was a huge error on George's part, because with real film we can keep scanning and upgrading it with better tech, but those two films will forever be stuck with early 2000's tech. Forever.

In terms of clarity and image, the original trilogy will likely be better on Blu as it is from a real film source, not "they just sent this to us brand new from the manufacturer a week before shooting" HD cameras where the tech is over a decade old at this point.

We'll know the results this September, then we can judge.

Originally Posted by STARKILLER--1138

Considering the big FU Lucas gave UOT fanatics by releasing those letterboxed on DVD, he may lessen the OT PQ to match across the board for the whole saga. Imagine the *****ing and moaning that will come from the OT worshiping crowd on that. Have to admit, that will give me a bit of a chuckle.

Not funny!

Originally Posted by Nicolawicz

As stupid and shortsighted as everything this idiot has done since 1997. How pathetic Lucas' sense of consistency is. The six films that are being released seen as a whole (and individually, for that matter) are a grotesque joke; 30+ year old films with added CGI, the last two shot on video, meaning that there's not even consistency between the prequels themselves. Simple things as plastic suits done in CGI, ideas so stupid and forced coincidences so abysmal it's hard to believe.

Somebody is having a bad day.

It's all good, mate!

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

Movie changes and additional scenes if more changes are coming, here's what I'd like to see:

Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace
• Digital Yoda

Star Wars Episode II: Attack Of The Clones
• Update Qui-Gon’s voice during the Tusken slaughter
• More Clone Troopers

Star Wars Episode III: Revenge Of The Sith
• Add Qui-Gon Jin as a Ghost Talking to Yoda on Polis Massa

Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope
• Use updated version of 20th Century Fox Fanfare
• Smooth out Luke first igniting his lightsaber
• Color Luke’s green lightsaber to be blue
• Color Luke’s white lightsaber to be blue
• Fix the lightsabers during the Obi-Wan vs. Vader duel
• Remove matte lines from TIE Fighters
• Special Effects Touch Up's
• Fix The Lighsaber Colors
• Fix The Sound Mix and have the force fanfare sound clearly and not dialed down in the sound mix.
• Fix The Color Timing

Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
• Fix Luke’s lightsaber powering down sound as he runs out of the wampa cave
• Remove matte lines
• Special Effects Touch Up's
• Fix The Lighsaber Colors
• Fix The Color Timing


Star Wars Episode VI: Return Of The Jedi
• Remove the black blob that is on the Emperor’s face
• Fix Vader & Luke’s lightsaber cross in front of the Emperor
• Remove Luke’s lightsaber from Vader’s left hand during the duel
• Fix Luke’s lightsaber as he’s looking at his hand
• Special Effects Touch Up's
• Fix The Lighsaber Color
• Fix The Color Timing

That, and a lot more!

[IndefinentBlu]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

Movie changes and additional scenes if more changes are coming, here's what I'd like to see:

Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace
• Digital Yoda

Star Wars Episode II: Attack Of The Clones
• Update Qui-Gon’s voice during the Tusken slaughter
• More Clone Troopers

Star Wars Episode III: Revenge Of The Sith
• Add Qui-Gon Jin as a Ghost Talking to Yoda on Polis Massa

Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope
• Use updated version of 20th Century Fox Fanfare
• Smooth out Luke first igniting his lightsaber
• Color Luke’s green lightsaber to be blue
• Color Luke’s white lightsaber to be blue
• Fix the lightsabers during the Obi-Wan vs. Vader duel
• Remove matte lines from TIE Fighters
• Special Effects Touch Up's
• Fix The Lighsaber Colors
• Fix The Sound Mix and have the force fanfare sound clearly and not dialed down in the sound mix.
• Fix The Color Timing

Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
• Fix Luke’s lightsaber powering down sound as he runs out of the wampa cave
• Remove matte lines
• Special Effects Touch Up's
• Fix The Lighsaber Colors
• Fix The Color Timing


Star Wars Episode VI: Return Of The Jedi
• Remove the black blob that is on the Emperor’s face
• Fix Vader & Luke’s lightsaber cross in front of the Emperor
• Remove Luke’s lightsaber from Vader’s left hand during the duel
• Fix Luke’s lightsaber as he’s looking at his hand
• Special Effects Touch Up's
• Fix The Lighsaber Color
• Fix The Color Timing

If lucas does all this it would be so WIZARD!
also maybe he can insert jar jar into the OT

[Beast]

Originally Posted by indefinentnj

If lucas does all this it would be so WIZARD!
also maybe he can insert jar jar into the OT

Well, Jar Jar already makes an off-screen cameo in Return of the Jedi.

After the Empire is defeated and we're treated to the various worlds celebrating.... we hear a familiar sounding Gungan shouting "Weesa Free!" on Naboo.

Speaking of the tour of worlds in Return of the Jedi, would be interesting if they add Kashyyyk. But its probably not major enough.

[IndefinentBlu]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

Movie changes and additional scenes if more changes are coming, here's what I'd like to see:

Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace
• Digital Yoda

Star Wars Episode II: Attack Of The Clones
• Update Qui-Gon’s voice during the Tusken slaughter
• More Clone Troopers

Star Wars Episode III: Revenge Of The Sith
• Add Qui-Gon Jin as a Ghost Talking to Yoda on Polis Massa

Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope
• Use updated version of 20th Century Fox Fanfare
• Smooth out Luke first igniting his lightsaber
• Color Luke’s green lightsaber to be blue
• Color Luke’s white lightsaber to be blue
• Fix the lightsabers during the Obi-Wan vs. Vader duel
• Remove matte lines from TIE Fighters
• Special Effects Touch Up's
• Fix The Lighsaber Colors
• Fix The Sound Mix and have the force fanfare sound clearly and not dialed down in the sound mix.
• Fix The Color Timing

Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
• Fix Luke’s lightsaber powering down sound as he runs out of the wampa cave
• Remove matte lines
• Special Effects Touch Up's
• Fix The Lighsaber Colors
• Fix The Color Timing


Star Wars Episode VI: Return Of The Jedi
• Remove the black blob that is on the Emperor’s face
• Fix Vader & Luke’s lightsaber cross in front of the Emperor
• Remove Luke’s lightsaber from Vader’s left hand during the duel
• Fix Luke’s lightsaber as he’s looking at his hand
• Special Effects Touch Up's
• Fix The Lighsaber Color
• Fix The Color Timing

Originally Posted by Beast

Well, Jar Jar already makes an off-screen cameo in Return of the Jedi.

After the Empire is defeated and we're treated to the various worlds celebrating.... we hear a familiar sounding Gungan shouting "Weesa Free!" on Naboo.

Speaking of the tour of worlds in Return of the Jedi, would be interesting if they add Kashyyyk. But its probably not major enough.

You never know lucas MAY surprise us.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

We'll know the results this September, then we can judge.

On bluray at 1080p they will be stunning. No ones saying otherwise, but Lowery digital did an interview about cleaning up the OT and they confirmed that 1080p is what episodes 2&3 were filmed in and that the OT has the ability to look better. George was questioned about shooting them this way and he wanted to anyways because at the time it was the best. The thing is you can't make detail and resolution appear out of nothing so how the PT looks on 1080p bluray is the best they can look. I'm am talking detail and resolution not saturation and stuff like that. So if we ever move to a higher resolution home format. Episodes 2&3 will have to be upscaled because the original digital print resolution maxes out at 1080p. Its sad really.