Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[kamphausd1]

Originally Posted by STARKILLER--1138

You know it! It is the funniest thing how butthurt the UOT Worshiping Extremists get when the slightest negative comment is made about their beloved films. Even more so, how much they complain about both the PT and OTSE, yet they don't have the balls to boycott any SW BD release that isn't the UOT. They will still be there, day 1, buying what GL gives them and on here late that day complaining about it.

As for your second question, they are in the SE too, right?



Of course I'm screwing with you! Yoda is not a real person. It was Oz who really fell asleep, or at least his hand did.

Edit: Oh, and thanks, James, for the compliment. My collection is small when compared to most who collect these things, but I've always made it a point to have everything displayed well. I'm glad you like it.

Man, you're even worse than Beast. He might say stupid things, but at least he doesn't go out of his way to act like a completely obnoxious moron. Oh and by the way, I'm not sure about other people, but I will boycott the SW BD release since it won't have the original versions. So go ahead and continue to suck up to Lucas and worship the ground he walks on, because really, you're only hurting yourself even if you don't realize it.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

No, we'd have a much liked Prequel Trilogy with fewer complaints instead of people holding them to impossible expectations.

Absolutely. They might have even wound up on the AFI Right Smack In The Middle 100.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by octagon

Absolutely. They might have even wound up on the AFI Right Smack In The Middle 100.

Meanwhile, in the real world...

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

You love getting a rise out of the OT fans.

Originally Posted by STARKILLER--1138

You know it! It is the funniest thing how butthurt the UOT Worshiping Extremists get when the slightest negative comment is made about their beloved films. Even more so, how much they complain about both the PT and OTSE, yet they don't have the balls to boycott any SW BD release that isn't the UOT. They will still be there, day 1, buying what GL gives them and on here late that day complaining about it.

Originally Posted by kamphausd1

Man, you're even worse than Beast. He might say stupid things, but at least he doesn't go out of his way to act like a completely obnoxious moron. Oh and by the way, I'm not sure about other people, but I will boycott the SW BD release since it won't have the original versions. So go ahead and continue to suck up to Lucas and worship the ground he walks on, because really, you're only hurting yourself even if you don't realize it.

Case in point!

[Bluyoda]

How about you guys?

Didn't any of you see AOTC or/and ROTS in the theater, and how did it look?

I personally think there are other things to worry about, but that's just me.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

How about you guys?

Didn't any of you see AOTC or/and ROTS in the theater, and how did it look?

I personally think there are other things to worry about, but that's just me.

I always said that of all 6 movies Attack Of The Clones always look the worst PQ wise. When I saw it in theaters it did not look that great and the DVD is also not that amazing, the worst of all 6 movies for me. It's like I am looking at it with some sort of small smoke screen in front of my eyes, not sure how else to explain it.

[Beast]

I saw both numerous times on the Big Screen and they looked great to me. So yeah, I have no concerns.

Especially since the DVDs of the films look amazing even, especially up converted through the PS3.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Beast

I saw both numerous times on the Big Screen and they looked great to me. So yeah, I have no concerns.

Especially since the DVDs of the films look amazing even, especially up converted through the PS3.

I got to see it on two different Blu-ray players, my original Samsung 1500 and now my Sony 360 and it never upscaled very well for me. I am sure the Blu-ray will be a huge improvement compared to the DVD.

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

How about you guys?

Didn't any of you see AOTC or/and ROTS in the theater, and how did it look?

I personally think there are other things to worry about, but that's just me.

AOTC I saw in a traditional theater and ROTS in digital. It didn't hit me until my third viewing that the image seemed more...flat...less depth on AOTC than what I saw with TPM. ROTS was a different story in a digital theater. I was in complete awe! On DVD, however, there are some scenes in AOTC that "look" HD. Mostly, the Geonosis scenes (battle). I think II and III are going to be gorgeous, and I do hope that TPM BD doesn't suffer from what the DVD does.

BTW, thanks for posting the link to Eberts review. I totally forgot about that.

[Bluyoda]

Coming back to the PQ debate.

Here is an interesting read I found long ago.

Roger Ebert wrote this in his first review of AOTC:

Star Wars -- Episode II: Attack Of The Clones

BY ROGER EBERT / May 10, 2002

When it comes to the computer-generated images, I feel that I cannot entirely trust the screening experience I had. I could see that in conception many of these sequences were thrilling and inventive. I liked the planet of rain, and the vast coliseum in which the heroes battle strange alien beasts, and the towering Senate chamber, and the secret factory where clones were being manufactured.

But I felt like I had to lean with my eyes toward the screen in order to see what I was being shown. The images didn't pop out and smack me with delight, the way they did in earlier films. There was a certain fuzziness, an indistinctness that seemed to undermine their potential power.

Later I went on the Web to look at the trailers for the movie, and was startled to see how much brighter, crisper and more colorful they seemed on my computer screen than in the theater. Although I know that video images are routinely timed to be brighter than movie images, I suspect another reason for this. "Episode II" was shot entirely on digital video. It is being projected in digital video on 19 screens, but on some 3,000 others, audiences will see it as I did, transferred to film.

How it looks in digital projection I cannot say, although I hope to get a chance to see it that way. I know Lucas believes it looks better than film, but then he has cast his lot with digital. My guess is that the film version of "Episode II" might jump more sharply from the screen in a small multiplex theater. But I saw it on the largest screen in Chicago, and my suspicion is, the density and saturation of the image were not adequate to imprint the image there in a forceful way.

Digital images contain less information than 35mm film images, and the more you test their limits, the more you see that. Two weeks ago I saw "Patton" shown in 70mm Dimension 150, and it was the most astonishing projection I had ever seen--absolute detail on a giant screen, which was 6,000 times larger than a frame of the 70mm film. That's what large-format film can do, but it's a standard Hollywood has abandoned (except for IMAX), and we are being asked to forget how good screen images can look--to accept the compromises. I am sure I will hear from countless fans who assure me that "Episode II" looks terrific, but it does not. At least, what I saw did not. It may look great in digital projection on multiplex-size screens, and I'm sure it will look great on DVD, but on a big screen it lacks the authority it needs.

I have to see the film again to do it justice. I'm sure I will greatly enjoy its visionary sequences on DVD; I like stuff like that.

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/...205100305/1023

and these are his second thoughts:

Lucas demonstrates potential of digital video with 'Attack of the Clones'

Roger Ebert / May 14, 2002

After seeing the new "Star Wars" movie projected on film, I wrote that the images had "a certain fuzziness, an indistinctness that seemed to undermine their potential power." But I knew the film had been shot on digital video, and that George Lucas believed that it should preferably be seen, not on film, but projected digitally. Sunday I was able to see the digital version, and Lucas is right: "Star Wars: Episode II--Attack of the Clones" is sharper, crisper, brighter and punchier on digital than on film.

This will come as melancholy news, I suppose, to the vast majority of fans destined to see the movie through a standard film projector. Although an accurate count is hard to come by, there are apparently about 20 screens in America showing "Episode II" via digital projector, and about 3,000 showing it on film. Lucas is so eager to promote his vision of the digital future that he is willing to penalize his audience, just to prove a point.

But he does prove the point. On Sunday, I returned to Chicago's McClurg Court Cinemas, where I had seen "Episode II" on film the previous Tuesday. On Wednesday, technicians from Boeing Digital Cinema swooped down on the theater to install a new Texas Instruments digital projector, and that's how I saw the film a second time--sitting in almost exactly the same seat.

Watching it on film, I wrote, "I felt like I had to lean with my eyes toward the screen in order to see what I was being shown." On digital, the images were bright and clear. Since the movie was being projected on film on another McClurg screen (both screenings were part of a charity benefit for Metropolitan Family Services), I slipped upstairs, watched a scene on film and then hurried downstairs to compare the same scene on video. The difference was dramatic: more detail, more depth, more clarity

Readers familiar with my preference for film over video projection systems will wonder if I have switched parties. Not at all. It's to be expected that "Episode II" would look better on digital, because it was entirely filmed on digital. Therefore, the digitally projected version is generation one, and the film version is one generation further from the source. Lucas is right as far as a computer-aided special-effects movie like "Episode II" goes, but may be wrong for the vast majority of movies that depict the real world on celluloid.I

t is important to understand that "Episode II" is essentially an animated film with humans added to it. This is the flip side of "Who Framed Roger Rabbit," which was a live-action film with cartoon characters laid on top. Most of the non-human screen images on "Episode II," and some of the characters (Yoda, Jar-Jar Binks), are created entirely by computers. Even in scenes dominated by humans, the backgrounds and locations are often entirely computer-generated.

The debate about digital projection is just beginning. My feeling is that movies shot on digital video look better projected on video, and that movies shot on film look better projected on film. Of course every theater, every print and every projector is different, so results may vary.

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/...NTARY/55010304

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I, for one, did see AOTC 5 times in a traditional theater, and was blown away by it, so I am sure it's going to look awesome on BD and whatever the next generation may be.

[P@t_Mtl]

Am I having deja vu?

Bluyoda you are a true master, how did you get to move your Roger Ebbert post like that?

[STARKILLER--1138]

Holy crap! Am...am I a Jedi???

[Spymaster]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

Garbage is garbage, dude. You can't disguise it. The prequels would have ended at Menace if that's where it had all started.

To be fair to GL, he knew 30 years ago that the response to Episode I would be less than wonderful, which is why he chose to start the story at Episode IV.

[avoidz]

Originally Posted by Spymaster

To be fair to GL, he knew 30 years ago that the response to Episode I would be less than wonderful, which is why he chose to start the story at Episode IV.

More excuses for why the PT sucks...

[IndefinentBlu]

Let's not complain about what the pic quality will be like on blu-ray, cause it WILL look amazing don't believe anyone who says that Lucas just started working on it cause that is not true, he has been working on it for a while.

I wonder? how long it will take this site to get a review up seeing as how they have to review each movie plus the extra's,AND more importantly will the one who reviews it be fan of the films cause those people have a way of trying to dissuade you from purchasing it cause of their nitpicking.

As for for me i have ordered the complete saga WAAYY in advance so no naysayers comment will ever dissuade me from canceling my order.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Am I having deja vu?

Bluyoda you are a true master, how did you get to move your Roger Ebbert post like that?

Copy the text, delete the previous post, and then post it again.

[jerseyal1976]

You people need to stop complaining about the OT get over the fact that the ORIGINALS were crap. Think about it if they were not than lucas would not have made the special editions.

The ORIGINAL TRILOGY is done there will be no porting that sorry craptastic crapfest that it is to blu-ray so GET OVER IT! GEEZ.

The special editions are here to stay so deal with it and MOOOOVE ON.

The special editions did not take anything away from the ORIGINALS it added to it.

This is lucas's vision not yours and, if you can't handle it than you don't deserve to be called STAR WARS FANS, that's all you people complain about (HAN SHOT FIRST NO GREEDO SHOT FIRST) who gives a S**T get over it talk about beating a dead horse.

NONE of you could do any better, none of you have the artistic quality that lucas or anyone that works for him has!

You people are in the minority on this cause for every 1 person that hates the special editions there are 3 people who like it not good odds HUH!

You people are a bunch of whiny spoiled brats that don't deserve anything that the creative genius that is lucas has to give us!

So go ahead hide your pain and stick with the 2004 dvd ORIGINAL VERSION!

COME ON FANS COME AND DEFEND YOURSELVES WITH WORDS!

PEACE OUT.

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by indefinentnj

Let's not complain about what the pic quality will be like on blu-ray, cause it WILL look amazing don't believe anyone who says that Lucas just started working on it cause that is not true, he has been working on it for a while.

I wonder? how long it will take this site to get a review up seeing as how they have to review each movie plus the extra's,AND more importantly will the one who reviews it be fan of the films cause those people have a way of trying to dissuade you from purchasing it cause of their nitpicking.

As for for me i have ordered the complete saga WAAYY in advance so no naysayers comment will ever dissuade me from canceling my order.

Agreed I consider all 6 star wars films to be a saga and not 2 seprate trilogys.

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by jerseyal1976

You people need to stop complaining about the OT get over the fact that the ORIGINALS were crap. Think about it if they were not than lucas would not have made the special editions.

The ORIGINAL TRILOGY is done there will be no porting that sorry craptastic crapfest that it is to blu-ray so GET OVER IT! GEEZ.

The special editions are here to stay so deal with it and MOOOOVE ON.

The special editions did not take anything away from the ORIGINALS it added to it.

This is lucas's vision not yours and, if you can't handle it than you don't deserve to be called STAR WARS FANS, that's all you people complain about (HAN SHOT FIRST NO GREEDO SHOT FIRST) who gives a S**T get over it talk about beating a dead horse.

NONE of you could do any better, none of you have the artistic quality that lucas or anyone that works for him has!

You people are in the minority on this cause for every 1 person that hates the special editions there are 3 people who like it not good odds HUH!

You people are a bunch of whiny spoiled brats that don't deserve anything that the creative genius that is lucas has to give us!

So go ahead hide your pain and stick with the 2004 dvd ORIGINAL VERSION!

COME ON FANS COME AND DEFEND YOURSELVES WITH WORDS!

PEACE OUT.

I am not complaining I like the original un-alltered trilogy and special editions of the OT and the prequels.

[bboisvert]

Originally Posted by Spymaster

To be fair to GL, he knew 30 years ago that the response to Episode I would be less than wonderful, which is why he chose to start the story at Episode IV.

I'm sure he's said this, but... no, he didn't.

1. Do you honestly expect that he would be able to predict (decades in advance) the response to something that hadn't even been written yet?
2. Especially when he didn't accurately predict the response to the 1977 movie?
3. He didn't choose to start at Episode IV. The decision to make Star Wars into "Episode IV: A New Hope" was applied retroactively a couple of years after the film was done... not a decision made in advance of filming.