Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[jerseyal1976]

Hi guys my name is nicky the nitpicker and i love the original trilogy so much that i chose to do a review here goes:

Star Wars Episode 4 : A New Hope

cons:

1) The title logo is not gold enough, i remember seeing it in the theater back then and it was a real gold color not like the gold they use for blu-ray.
2) Ugh the outer shot of tatooine it does not have that classic old world original trilogy look to it, it looks to new.
3) And look at vader he doesn't look dark enough.
4) The greens from the trees and the blus from the skies look to vivid.
5) They still can't color correct the lightsabers Vader's still looks pink.
6) The color of the death star is too new they must have dnr'd it.
7) The explosion of the death star is way to vibrant the original explosion is best.

Pros: Same old Star Wars i grew up with even if us fans prefer the original pq.

Star Wars Episode 5: The Empire Strikes Back

cons:

1) Hoth is too vibrant and white it does not have that old world planet look that the originals had.
2) The wampa is crap through and through.
3) Luke's lightsaber still sounds the same.
4) They still use the emperor on the artwork even though he is only in it for a minute they could have used a wampa or cloud city instead.
5) Dagobah looks to swampishly green they dnr'd it again.
6) The smoke when Luke fights Vader is too grey it should be white.
7) The lightsabers are still incorrect.

pros: same old star wars i grew up with even if us fans prefer the original pq.


Star Wars Episode 6: Return Of The Jedi

cons:

1) Vader is not black enough he looks muddled.
2) They still did not fix the sarlaac.
3) The ewoks look too brownish.
4) Endor is looks too much like a green lush forest.
5) Again the lightsabers still look incorrect.
6) Palpatine's lightning is to real looking.
7) The death star explosion is too vibrant and new like.


All in all while i prefer the originals and all there good pq quality i can't help but semi like these dnr'd versions.

While there is no Jar Jar present there still will always be the (HAN SHOT FIRST NO GREEDO SHOT FIRST DILEMMA)

PQ-3.0
AQ-4.0
SF-3.5


Mark my words this is what will happen when an original trilogy nitpicker gets his hands on it.

You just can't please anyone.

[GC13]

Palpatine's name was common knowledge throughout the fandom for a long time. Not everybody's a big enough geek to know that though.

Reading back a few pages, are there any people of the honest opinion that Lucas had planned the whole series from start to finish? In broad strokes, I'm sure (clone war, then conversion to empire, then A New Hope starts), but the Annotated Screenplays has Lando first being written as a clone from the clone wars, and while I don't have my copy handy I think it implies that the clone wars were initially meant to have been named after the Republic's enemy, and not the Republic's weapon of choice.

[JamesKurtovich]

Originally Posted by GC13

Palpatine's name was common knowledge throughout the fandom for a long time. Not everybody's a big enough geek to know that though.

I was unaware for most of my life. If they had said his name in the OT, then it would just be my own forgetfulness but if not then I can't say that I should have known. I don't read the books or own cards or anything like that.

[Geologist]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Right on that.

One of my friends took his eight year old(I believe that was his age) to see RotS because he became a huge Star Wars fan due to the prequels being geared directly towards young children. So when he took him to see part III, they had to leave during the Emperor's 'Monster Mash' transformation scene as that was too much for him take, and then he ended up puking in bed later that night. And when he told me about this, I mentioned that they were lucky to get out of there before those later scenes showing major third degree burns.

Way to go there Mr. Lucas.

Yeah - we parents need to remember that these films are really for the ~12 and up ages. Perhaps Episode 1 maybe be a bit tamer - for a 10 year old (it may have actually achieved 6+ in the EU on original release)- but hearing about people showing them to their 3 to 8 year olds - well ratings are there for a reason. Again, IMO, young children shouldn't be watching long stretches of TV - we even break up kid friendly movies into 30 minute segments for the younger ones. Not trying to tell anyone how to be a parent - just being one myself is enough work as it is!

[dcowboy7]

Originally Posted by goresnet

I tried watching it on Spike, but I hate commercial breaks, so I'm just going to tough it out for the Blu's!

Thats why there is now a DVR.

The real problem is spike doesnt show them OAR.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

I sure feel silly now. That guy must be a very good actor to pull off such different characters because I had no idea. Aside from both being old, there are no similarities.

As I have mentioned before, that was an act of genius to pick him to play the Emperor at that age for the OT.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Geologist

Yeah - we parents need to remember that these films are really for the ~12 and up ages. Perhaps Episode 1 maybe be a bit tamer - for a 10 year old (it may have actually achieved 6+ in the EU on original release)- but hearing about people showing them to their 3 to 8 year olds - well ratings are there for a reason. Again, IMO, young children shouldn't be watching long stretches of TV - we even break up kid friendly movies into 30 minute segments for the younger ones. Not trying to tell anyone how to be a parent - just being one myself is enough work as it is!

Yea, I really wanted to ask him- "What the heck were you thinking???" But I feel that it is not my place to tell a friend of mine how to raise there kids.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

What I was wondering about that scene, is since his former 'best friend' was suffering so horribly, then why the hell did he not administer the final coup de grace?

It would go against the Jedi ethos, as Obi-Wan would've been killing his defenceless enemy in cold blood - which Anakin did to Count Dooku earlier. (Remember all that junk which Yoda comes out with in Empire, about only using the Force for defence etc?) I know that Obi-Wan's just lopped off three of Anakin's limbs, but he's doing what he must, not what he can. This rings true even with the start of their climactic fight in Sith, as it's Anakin who makes the first move.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It would go against the Jedi ethos, as Obi-Wan would've been killing his defenceless enemy in cold blood - which Anakin did to Count Dooku earlier. (Remember all that junk which Yoda comes out with in Empire, about only using the Force for defence etc?) I know that Obi-Wan's just lopped off three of Anakin's limbs, but he's doing what he must, not what he can. This rings true even with the start of their climactic fight in Sith, as it's Anakin who makes the first move.

OK, good point. I just thought that it would have been a humane mercy killing for an old chum.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

As I have mentioned before, that was an act of genius to pick him to play the Emperor at that age for the OT.

I have my share of issues with RotJ and the various prequels but Ian McDiarmid definitely ain't one of them.

He was outstanding.

[JamesKurtovich]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It would go against the Jedi ethos, as Obi-Wan would've been killing his defenceless enemy in cold blood - which Anakin did to Count Dooku earlier. (Remember all that junk which Yoda comes out with in Empire, about only using the Force for defence etc?) I know that Obi-Wan's just lopped off three of Anakin's limbs, but he's doing what he must, not what he can. This rings true even with the start of their climactic fight in Sith, as it's Anakin who makes the first move.

I was surprised he didn't finish the fight. I mean... I know that he had to live in order to become the mechanical villain of the OT, but in some cultures (like the one that inspired the Jedi idea) isn't it considered disrespectful to not finish them off? That's not even considering the fact that it would have been the humane thing to do since he was being slowly cooked alive. If it's not the Jedi thing to do, then why does Yoda tell him to do it before the fight? Why do both Ben and Yoda seem to think the right thing for Luke to do is kill Palpatine and Vader if they're against killing?

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It would go against the Jedi ethos, as Obi-Wan would've been killing his defenceless enemy in cold blood...

Well I guess that is the very FIRST rule that Luke changes after the OT when he starts up his 'Jedi Academy'.


Rule #1

- Always finish your job, or it will come back to bite you and the whole Galaxy in the ass later on.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

I was surprised he didn't finish the fight. I mean... I know that he had to live in order to become the mechanical villain of the OT, but in some cultures (like the one that inspired the Jedi idea) isn't it considered disrespectful to not finish them off? That's not even considering the fact that it would have been the humane thing to do since he was being slowly cooked alive. If it's not the Jedi thing to do, then why does Yoda tell him to do it before the fight? Why do both Ben and Yoda seem to think the right thing for Luke to do is kill Palpatine and Vader if they're against killing?

Ah, but Ben and Yoda say that Luke must face/confront Vader; they never say "you gotta KILL his ass, son!". It's telling that Luke makes the inference that he must kill Vader in Jedi ("I can't kill my own father"), owing to his own struggle between the good side and the bad.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

I agree that everything worked way too conveniently for Palpatine. He's a Sith Lord, not God. LOL

Either that or he was just the smartest guy in the galaxy. The Senators, Jedi, aliens, etc. all seem very unintelligent to me. Even Yoda. And by the time Palpatine finally takes over, it feels like they were just asking for it.

The basic premise wasn't ridiculous, it was that Lucas over-simplified it to the point that there were no objections whatsoever. There are always some dissenters. But look at history: like Hitler's rise to power, or the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. Or the Gulf of Tonkin resolution in Vietnam where we claimed we were attacked, but it was all a farce just to expand the war. (Actually, I think there's some evidence now that we were shooting at false radar sightings or something.)

Or how Saddam Hussein came to power (had a few legislators and opponents shot and scared all the others into line) or even how George Bush got to fight the war in Iraq by claiming there was positive evidence of WMDs when there wasn't and creating an atmosphere where the Democrats couldn't say no for fear of looking like they were supporting terrorism. Or when everyone caved to Joe McCarthy until the Army finally said "enough is enough". Not to mention how Hosni Murbark issued a "state of emergency" 30 years ago and never lifted it. So these things do happen although I will agree that Lucas over-simplified the whole thing by showing no dissent whatsoever. Everyone looked like idiots, including the Jedi. IMO, that was a mistake because I think before the PT, everyone had a lot of respect for the characters of Yoda and Obi-Wan.

If there was a more balanced battle for power in the PT, Episode IV would have made more sense. It always bothered me that the all-powerful Empire was so bothered by this "small band of rebels." There's a line in the ESB between Yoda and Kenobi when one says, "no, there is another" that's left open - it doesn't necessarily have to mean Leia. Therefore, IMO, it wasn't necessary for Lucas to kill off all of the Jedi except for Yoda and Obi-Wan in the PT.

[jerseyal1976]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Right on that.

One of my friends took his eight year old(I believe that was his age) to see RotS because he became a huge Star Wars fan due to the prequels being geared directly towards young children. So when he took him to see part III, they had to leave during the Emperor's 'Monster Mash' transformation scene as that was too much for him take, and then he ended up puking in bed later that night. And when he told me about this, I mentioned that they were lucky to get out of there before those later scenes showing major third degree burns.

Way to go there Mr. Lucas.

Lets not blame lucas for ROTS being too violent some people complained that star wars was geared towards children and lucas responded by making one hell of an ending to an amazing saga that no one will forget. as for taking a child to see this,the movie did not have blood squirting out all over the place and as far as anakin being burned how else would you explain why he has to have a breathing apparatus surgically stuck to his chest and why he needs a helmet to survive.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It would go against the Jedi ethos, as Obi-Wan would've been killing his defenceless enemy in cold blood - which Anakin did to Count Dooku earlier. (Remember all that junk which Yoda comes out with in Empire, about only using the Force for defence etc?) I know that Obi-Wan's just lopped off three of Anakin's limbs, but he's doing what he must, not what he can. This rings true even with the start of their climactic fight in Sith, as it's Anakin who makes the first move.

Plus as Obi-Wan told Yoda, he didn't even want to confront him. He wanted Yoda to be the one to go after Anakin, and he'd deal with Palpatine. Obi-Wan knew he wouldn't be able to kill him. He likely assumed he was going to die anyway, plus wanted to rush back and make sure that Padme was ok.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

The basic premise wasn't ridiculous, it was that Lucas over-simplified it to the point that there were no objections whatsoever. There are always some dissenters. But look at history: like Hitler's rise to power, or the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. Or how Saddam Hussein came to power (had a few legislators and opponents shot and scared all the others into line) or even how George Bush got to fight the war in Iraq by claiming there was positive evidence of WMDs when there wasn't and creating an atmosphere where the Democrats couldn't say no for fear of looking like they were supporting terrorism. Or when everyone caved to Joe McCarthy until the Army finally said "enough is enough". Not to mention how Hosni Murbark issued a "state of emergency" 30 years ago and never lifted it. So these things do happen although I will agree that Lucas over-simplified the whole thing by showing no dissent whatsoever. Everyone looked like idiots, including the Jedi. IMO, that was a mistake because I think before the PT, everyone had a lot of respect for the characters of Yoda and Obi-Wan.

If there was a more balanced battle for power in the PT, Episode IV would have made more sense. It always bothered me that the all-powerful Empire was so bothered by this "small band of rebels." There's a line in the ESB between Yoda and Kenobi when one says, "no, there is another" that's left open - it doesn't necessarily have to mean Leia. Therefore, IMO, it wasn't necessary for Lucas to kill off all of the Jedi except for Yoda and Obi-Wan in the PT.

Pretty sure they didn't, I doubt Anakin got them all, Skywalker was probably the only one left that they could rely on to challenge the Emperor and his crippled apprentice.

[Geoff D]

As for it being the "humane" thing to finish Anakin off, we're seeing rigid Jedi dogma in action when Obi-Wan stays his hand, which is of course the Jedi's main problem. In some ways, the downfall of Anakin brings balance to the Force as much as his later actions in killing the Emperor do.

Why? Because the new generation of Jedi must learn to bring all aspects of the Force under their control, instead of focussing so much on the good side that they eventually become blind to the dark side (see Episode II). Luke does his own balancing act in Jedi which saves the day (in a roundabout way), using his hate to take down Vader and then making a conscious choice to renounce violence in the face of the Emperor, which then awakens Vader's latent goodness.

In keeping with that last point about Vader, if there's one change that I've simply GOT to have it's a properly shot Hayden Force-Ghost for Anakin, and not some bizarrely creepy outtake. YOU HEAR ME, LUCAS??

[Silo5]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Right on that.

One of my friends took his eight year old(I believe that was his age) to see RotS because he became a huge Star Wars fan due to the prequels being geared directly towards young children. So when he took him to see part III, they had to leave during the Emperor's 'Monster Mash' transformation scene as that was too much for him take, and then he ended up puking in bed later that night. And when he told me about this, I mentioned that they were lucky to get out of there before those later scenes showing major third degree burns.

Way to go there Mr. Lucas.

They did put a PG-13 rating on it. You can't blame him if you don't follow the MPAA ratings.

[JamesKurtovich]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george..._b_828962.html

Pretty cool article by George, if anyone is interested.