Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

Pretty sure the OT is already in the Library of Congress, not sure on the PT. Just hoping that since it seems 3 was the last film, new generations continue to learn about this fantastic movie series.

Actually, the only Star Wars films in the Library of Congress are A New Hope & The Empire Strikes Back.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Beast

So do I. Thanks for making me feel old.

I know! If I remember there was even a sort of unofficial Star Wars arcade game before that. I remember playing with it with my brother and friends back in December 1977 in Florida. I was looking for some pics but can't recall the name

[JamesKurtovich]

Any chance that Yoda landing on Dagobah scene was in the theatrical release of ROTS? I could swear that I saw it.

I could just be thinking of a time I watched the bonus features on the ROTS DVD though.

Nevertheless, they should put that in. It looks great and, as you said, connects with the OT.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Uxi

Context, which you didn't paste in from your link: "expressing concern over the Colorization of black & white films." Specifically, it's regarding the colorization with the authorization of third parties and not the original artists. Do you not see a distinction there? Not even a little one? Did you think that wasn't at all important to include before you justify your conclusion on irony that isn't there?

Lucas didn't own those films. Why does he get any say at all in who may or may not change them?

Well, according to Lucas he gets a say because films are part of our cultural and national heritage. According to Lucas the public has a say in whether these films are changed because the public has an interest in preserving them.

And that's the ironic part. He made the exact same 'public stake' arguments that get routinely (and rightly) ridiculed in this thread.

Originally Posted by Uxi

...despite your attempt to justify getting the UOT in this blu-ray release,...

I'm making no such attempt. I've said repeatedly I'd be more than willing to pay for a separate release.

Would I like them to be included? Sure. I'd like them to be delivered by a stripper too but whattayagonnado.

[Geoff D]

Lucas said he wants to put Grievous in Clones? I ****ing well hope so. Lucas has this bizarre penchant for setting up a new bad guy in every prequel with little-to-no backstory and kills them off soon after, and the sense of continuity between the prequels is wrecked as a result. I was gutted when the Qui-Gon Force ghost scene was cut from Sith as well.

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

Any chance that Yoda landing on Dagobah scene was in the theatrical release of ROTS? I could swear that I saw it.

I could just be thinking of a time I watched the bonus features on the ROTS DVD though.

Nevertheless, they should put that in. It looks great and, as you said, connects with the OT.

I was thinking almost the same thing... I could have sworn it was already there. But the more I think about it, it's probably my imagination.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Lucas said he wants to put Grievous in Clones? I ****ing well hope so. Lucas has this bizarre penchant for setting up a new bad guy in every prequel with little-to-no backstory and kills them off soon after, and the sense of continuity between the prequels is wrecked as a result. I was gutted when the Qui-Gon Force ghost scene was cut from Sith as well.

Yup. That's the one alteration I know he personally wants to make. I seen & heard him say it in a filmed interview. As I said, I'm also hoping for at least some mention of Dooku before Padme drops the I think Count Dooku is behind it bombshell. Now that we are familiar with the Count, especially for those of us who watch The Clone Wars, it's not a huge deal. But going only on the films, the way they are both introduced is akward & abrupt.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Beast

In regard to Jango Fett's backpack, it actually was visibly damaged in the theatrical version also. But most people didn't notice it, so it left many wondering why he didn't just fly away from Mace.

[Show spoiler]

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[Beast]

Well, from what I recall Qui-Gon's ghost wouldn't have physically appeared.
But Liam Neeson would have voiced him speaking to Yoda. But then he had his motorcycle accident.

As for Yoda landing on Dagobah. It is a deleted scene on the current DVD.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

I really hope further improvements will be made and a whole new Special Edition of the Saga will be put on Bluray and into cinemas in the coming years. Unfortunately the last thing I heard was John Knoll saying that no further changes will be made... Does anyone know how likely it is that effects will be further enhanced? Bluyoda maybe?

I guess the good thing is that they have had since 2005 to work on these, so I am pretty darn sure that the 2004 screw-ups will have been addressed, and final fixes have been made. I strongly believe these will actually be the final versions, and as John Knoll said these will also be the versions used for the 3-D releases, so whatever we are going to see on the BDs will be final.

It only makes sense, because for the '97 SE he was trying to test if he could make the PT now.

The 04' had to be released because ROTS was coming to theaters, but he didn't have time to focus on them much as he was busy doing ROTS, but now he's had years to look at them all, and mold and bend them to his liking.

I trust that these versions will rock!

I personally cannot wait to see them in their breathtaking glory!

Originally Posted by shelldweller

@Dynamo of Eternia:

I know Bluyoda hasn´t more inside infos than any other member but since he is one of the few who really seems to be interested in the movies instead of whining about the theatrical cuts not being released on bluray I thought he probably could have read anything anywhere...

I posted my post a second time since the discussion seemed to have gone in a weird direction ...I mean the droids being dug up and stuff. Really!?

Thanks for that, mate!

[Monolithium]

Originally Posted by octagon

Lucas didn't own those films. Why does he get any say at all in who may or may not change them?

A case of Do as I say, not as I do?

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by tilapiah6

I"m definitely doing OT then PT so my kids can get the shock of Darth Vader saying "I am your father." That's such a powerful moment and I don't want to rob it from them by showing them Anakin's story first.

Well, I think it must be very shocking to see our hero's limbs being cut off and then left there to burn alive. There is nothing more heartbreaking than this IMO.
It leaves me devastated every time.
Either way, it's a big shock because you feel for the character. Even if you have seen the PT, you still feel the terror and agony Luke must be going through when he learns that Vader is his father.
Likewise when we first watch the OT we still feel crushed seeing Anakin's fall to the dark side.
It works either way, for me anyway.

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

Mentioning Spielberg... He (GL) could use that to tie in with all the Star Wars references in the Indiana Jones series. Especially the one where Artoo & Threepio are seen in the hieroglyphics (Raiders). Now that I think about it, it was a couple of years before Raiders that Don told me about the droids in the desert thing. Funny how it kind of ties together. In all honesty, I don't see GL tying the series' together in any concrete way, but the fans are another story...

I forgot to mention, he also said that the droids being dug up on Earth was the main reason behind the A Long Time Ago opening.

Now I am starting to wonder if any part of the story takes place on Earth or if the droids just crash here? The only other thing I do remember (I'm not even sure if this came from Don or somewhere else) is that the only characters in every episode are the droids. While the main focus of the story so far has been the Skywalker boys (mainly Anakin), the real story is actually that of the droids. I'd bet, if the desert thing is true, that the nine episodes are actually (in good part) the droids' memories being read.

Nuh, too Planet of the Apes for me.

Originally Posted by wilky61

Hmm, now that you mention it and I think about it, I probably ought to go over to my girlfriend's parents' house and watch it with her/them. Their basement is decked out in a home theatre setup with a 52ish" TV and 5.1 surround complete with five reclining movie theatre seats. Plus, I'm pretty sure one of the framed posters on the walls is for Star Wars. Me, I have a 32" TV, no surround, and no posters.

Sounds like a good idea to me.

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Bluyoda:

Here you go bud-

Star Wars Special Edition Changes HD

While I agree that some of the changes are much better, still quite a few of them are either meh or downright bad. Now if he fixes the 'color balance', 'contrast' and 'crushed blacks' problems for the new BDs, that could help out a few of those newer scenes.


For instance, I LOVE the new dusk sky in this shot below, however I hate how a lot of the detail disappears from this scene now due to the bad 'black levels'.

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Thanks, bud.

As I said above. I think we can rest assured that the black level crush will have been addressed in the new releases. It'd better be!!!
Let's have faith and pray!

Originally Posted by Geologist

Thanks for the link - that was very enjoyable to look through.

Interesting is that a lot of the changes were improvements and not changing the story but just replacing background mattes and other paintings. Still a very nice work by the person who did all those screenshots!

Yeah, that's what most whiners fail to acknowledge.

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

Welcome to the internet.

Personally, I don't care what Lucas does with his films. They are his to alter however he sees fit. That said, I agree that the original theatrical releases should be preserved, as they are genuine part of Americana. I've said it before and I'm saying it yet again... Some changes I personally like and some I don't. Some make sense, add to the saga as a whole and/or fix imperfections, while some are completely superficial, detract from the story, ruin continuity or character development and/or simply look out of place compared with the remainder of the film in question. I'm not whining about what we do or do not get in the BD release... I own copies of the original, unaltered versions. I own the remastered copies. I own the special editions. I don't really need them again, especially if thyey are only to preserve the past. They do that just fine by sitting on my shelf. What I do take issue with are the constant, small changes. How many times have we heard, or are yet to hear What you're getting this time are the films I meant to make.? I just wish GL would figure out what he truly wants done to them, then does it. At that point, yes, I would want a set that contains the unaltered (but cleaned up) originals & the final versions. Then, all these little, in-between minor tweaks & untweaks, changes, rechanges & unchanges can get thrown out the friggin' window.

I am confident the upcoming BD release will put an end to this, as all 6 episodes have been released. They have been out several years now.
George has had time to make his final adjustments, and John Knoll also said that the 3-D versions wouldn't have any more tweaks.

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

Personally, it would be nice to have, but I wouldn't pay any extra to have the UOT at this point. Even if it were to be included, it probably wouldn't get many, if any viewings other than for comparison purposes.

I just wonder what everyone is going to have to say when/if the PT gets altered as well.

I wouldn't mind if they fixed replaced Yoda in TPM and AOTC for instance.
Actually I think it's necessary to do so.

I bet most people wouldn't actually watch the UOT. They just need something to complain about. Oops. Let the flaming begin.

Originally Posted by Beast

Dunno. We'll have to wait and see. I wish they'd restore the "Foundation of the Rebellion" scene to RotS though.



I also wouldn't mind seeing the scene of Yoda's shuttle landing on Dagobah either. It would be a nice connecting scene.



Great source of the various deleted scenes: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Scene...from_Star_Wars

I, for one, wouldn't want to see Yoda's arrival on Dagobah, as it doesn't add anything to the story, and it's more interesting to see Yoda again in TESB.

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by Monolithium

A case of Do as I say, not as I do?

The problem I have is that of the bigger picture... Does GL want films (any films) preserved as part of film making history or does that get thrown out when the original film maker is behind the changes? Because he can't have it both ways.

Oops... When talking about the possible changes to the PT, I completely forgot about replacing the TPM Yoda. That's two changes (along with Grievous).

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

Yup. That's the one alteration I know he personally wants to make. I seen & heard him say it in a filmed interview. As I said, I'm also hoping for at least some mention of Dooku before Padme drops the I think Count Dooku is behind it bombshell. Now that we are familiar with the Count, especially for those of us who watch The Clone Wars, it's not a huge deal. But going only on the films, the way they are both introduced is akward & abrupt.

Spot on. Unfortunately that's the nature of Lucas' film-making style, going with whatever crap sticks to the wall when he's making each movie, instead of actually planning the prequel storylines before he got started. He only had 20 frickin' years.

[Bluyoda]

To those who keep saying that George Lucas himself said that films mustn't be changed:


"I am very concerned about our national heritage, and I am very concerned that the films that I watched when I was young and the films that I watched throughout my life are preserved, so that my children can see them." - expressing concern over the Colorization of black & white films

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000184/bio

The Personal Quotes are great.

I particularly like:

Regarding Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005): "Right or wrong this is my movie, this is my decision, and this is my creative vision, and if people don't like it, they don't have to see it."

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Spot on. Unfortunately that's the nature of Lucas' film-making style, going with whatever crap sticks to the wall when he's making each movie, instead of actually planning out the bare bones of the prequel storylines before he got started. He only had 20 frickin' years.

I truly believe GL makes many decisions for purely superficial reasons rather than by having a plan or any real story or reasoning behind them. I think he'd include a line even if it created a huge plot hole, if he thought it sounded pleasing to the ear or created a great new one-liner. I don't think this is limited to the PT at all.

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

To those who keep saying that George Lucas himself said that films mustn't be changed:


"I am very concerned about our national heritage, and I am very concerned that the films that I watched when I was young and the films that I watched throughout my life are preserved, so that my children can see them." - expressing concern over the Colorization of black & white films

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000184/bio

The Personal Quotes are great.

I particularly like:

Regarding Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005): "Right or wrong this is my movie, this is my decision, and this is my creative vision, and if people don't like it, they don't have to see it."

So, does the concern for our national heritage end with B&W films? Or maybe it ends with his films? Either way, he's a hypocrite.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

The problem I have is that of the bigger picture... Does GL want films (any films) preserved as part of film making history or does that get thrown out when the original film maker is behind the changes? Because he can't have it both ways.

Well, of course. The film maker, aka the creator, can do anything he likes.

What is unacceptable is when some greedy studio executive decides to alter classic films, or any kind of film, like WB turning Inception into a 3-D flick without Nolan's consent.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Spot on. Unfortunately that's the nature of Lucas' film-making style, going with whatever crap sticks to the wall when he's making each movie, instead of actually planning the prequel storylines before he got started. He only had 20 frickin' years.

It's not like he was sitting around doing nothing the whole time.

He was raising his kids, and building his empire, amongst other things....

[Bluyoda]

George Lucas originally wanted his friend Steven Spielberg to direct Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983), but his dispute with the Director's Guild barred him from doing so. He settled for director Richard Marquand instead.

I hadn't heard that one before.

I just know that Spielberg was begging George to let him direct one of the Prequels.

I am glad he didn't.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

So, does the concern for our national heritage end with B&W films? Or maybe it ends with his films? Either way, he's a hypocrite.

No. Because the debate was about people OTHER THAN the creator altering the films.
It's kinda sad how so many people ignore the context of that issue. Just to slam Lucas.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

So, does the concern for our national heritage end with B&W films? Or maybe it ends with his films? Either way, he's a hypocrite.

Fact is he was talking about films being altered by those other than the ones who created it. Ted Turner & company had nothing to do with Miracle on 34th Street, yet they were colorizing it and other films in the Turner library in the 90's.

George did not speak against filmmakers altering their work: example would be Speilberg and E.T..

So you need to find another word.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Beast

No. Because the debate was about people OTHER THAN the creator altering the films.
It's kinda sad how so many people ignore the context of that issue. Just to slam Lucas.

Why was there a debate in the first place?

Ted Turner owned the movies. Where did the public (or its self-appointed spokespeople) get off telling him what he could or couldn't do with them?

Did the public have some sort of say in what happened to those movies?