Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[JamesKurtovich]

Were they on drugs when they made the Holiday Special? I'm 13 minutes into it and all I've seen is an old Wookie and a really annoying Wookie kid that I hope gets fried by some stormtroopers... And Chewie's "wife".

They just had a painful 5 minute long sequence where Lumpy watched some weird LSD-inspired ballet... thing.

And WHY does Luke look like a chick? Looks like Mark put on a little too much makeup!

Can't believe I haven't seen this before. And I have been calling myself a Star Wars fan.

[Dotpattern]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

Were they on drugs when they made the Holiday Special? I'm 13 minutes into it and all I've seen is an old Wookie and a really annoying Wookie kid that I hope gets fried by some stormtroopers... And Chewie's "wife".

They just had a painful 5 minute long sequence where Lumpy watched some weird LSD-inspired ballet... thing.

And WHY does Luke look like a chick? Looks like Mark put on a little too much makeup!

Can't believe I haven't seen this before. And I have been calling myself a Star Wars fan.

It's unwatchable. I still remember being a kid and anxiously awaiting the special to air, and then being completely bored to death and ultimately disappointed. I tried to watch it again a few years ago...couldn't do it.

[Beast]

Mark Hamill is wearing too much makeup, because this was just after his car accident.

[JamesKurtovich]

Originally Posted by Dotpattern

It's unwatchable. I still remember being a kid and anxiously awaiting the special to air, and then being completely bored to death and ultimately disappointed. I tried to watch it again a few years ago...couldn't do it.

You're telling me. The old white Wookie just had a weird fantasy about a singing black woman that lasted for nearly 10 minutes.

I can understand not being able to get through it.. If you thought Chewie's constant whining in TESB was annoying then this is definitely unbearable.

Originally Posted by Beast

Mark Hamill is wearing too much makeup, because this was just after his car accident.

Ah, understood. So this was filmed after The Empire Strikes Back? He does look really weird.

[KubrickFan]

Originally Posted by rockin

It's funny people like you come out to dismiss any claim against the prequels. I have no real problem with them, I just prefer the look and feel of the first FOUR movies made. AOTC and ROTS just look too clean and digital for me, it's no biggie. There are parts of AOTC and ROTS I like, some parts that look truly epic actually but the overall look and feel of them just doesn't do it for me, that's just my opinion.

But you have ignored/overlooked my other reasons for liking TPM over the other prequels. I also stated that I liked it more because it was shot on film and it had semi decent villain.

Those who can't accept my opinion then just ignore it. No point trying to pick apart my opinion because it doesn't conform with yours - nobody is the same, but as I said at least I have explained the reasons for my opinion. I don't honestly see what the big deal is over someone preferring certain things within a movie over others.

And the reason I called you out on your opinion, was because you declared that I was basing my whole opinion on just one aspect - the locations which you deemed 'ridiculous'.

But anyway, like everywhere Star Wars related it seems, people seem to be ridiculously hostile, well on the net anyway.. quite sad..

Look, I never said you aren't allowed to have an opinion. It would be a stupid and pointless thing to do so. I just didn't agree with some of the reasons why you didn't like them. Saying you don't like Episodes II and III because they have weak villains is a perfectly valid reason. Saying you prefer the others because they feature more location shooting and were shot on film is frankly, yes, ridiculous. I wouldn't call that hostile. Just as you can voice your opinion, I can voice mine, yes? At least, I would like to think that.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by chip75

I've always thought it would be cool to take back Aliens or Jurassic Park and show them to an innocent 30's audience....

They probably couldn't handle it for a number of reasons. When "The Great Train Robbery" came out in 1904, it's reputed that people either fainted or ducked at the last scene when the gunman shoots right at the audience. Furthermore, audiences had to get used to the concept of parallel storytelling as well as the concept of editing.

I'm not sure that the audiences of the 1930s would have understood the editing techniques (especially in Aliens) and in spite of the relatively difficult lives they led (especially those who lived in poor countries or fought during World War I), whether they could have accepted the horrors those films so realistically demonstrated.

Also, film was still relatively new and still magical to those audiences - they might not have been sophisticated enough to appreciate the advances in technology. If one went back in time to the early 1800s and demonstrated both the telegraph and the television, people of the day would probably have considered both to be equally magical.

For the record, the 1933 King Kong was the only movie to ever have played both Radio City Musical Hall and the Roxy in New York City at the same time (and just down the street from each other). That's a combined capacity of about 11,800 seats.

[fgomike]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

Were they on drugs when they made the Holiday Special? I'm 13 minutes into it and all I've seen is an old Wookie and a really annoying Wookie kid that I hope gets fried by some stormtroopers... And Chewie's "wife".

They just had a painful 5 minute long sequence where Lumpy watched some weird LSD-inspired ballet... thing.

And WHY does Luke look like a chick? Looks like Mark put on a little too much makeup!

Can't believe I haven't seen this before. And I have been calling myself a Star Wars fan.

Are you sure it's Luke and not Bea Arthur, For that matter, are you sure its an old Wookie and not Bea Arthur?

[Beast]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

Ah, understood. So this was filmed after The Empire Strikes Back? He does look really weird.

Nope. This was filmed before, since it introduced the Boba Fett character.

Mark's car accident was on January 11th, 1977. He fractured his nose and left cheekbone.

That's why they had to use a double for some of the final landspeeder shots for ANH. And sorta why we have the wampa attack in ESB. To kinda explain away any differences in Luke's appearance between ANH and ESB. If you've seen the production drawings for the scene or the original comic books, 2-1B even removes a mask of sorts from the left side of Luke's face while he's in the recovery bed on Hoth.

From Wookiepedia:

On January 11, 1977, a day before he was set to shoot one of the final scenes needed for Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope, Hamill was involved in a car accident that caused substantial damage to his face. A double was used for the scene of Luke racing across the desert in his landspeeder while Mark was hospitalized. Supposedly, he was told by his surgeons that although facial reconstruction surgery could save his career in the short term, it would have only temporary results. Over time, the scarring would become increasingly visible, and he would have to rethink his acting career.

In an A&E Network Biography special, "Mark Hamill: A Force to Be Reckoned With," the auto accident and its consequences are recounted by Mark's family.

As a result of this scarring, Hamill wore an extensive amount of facial makeup when he reprised his role as Luke for The Star Wars Holiday Special, which was released in 1978. An in-universe explanation for his scarring was developed for Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back where he is mauled by a Wampa.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Also, film was still relatively new and still magical to those audiences - they might not have been sophisticated enough to appreciate the advances in technology.

These are the same audience who stood in amazement to Gertie the Dinosaur. The Jurassic Park of it's day (almost JP while amazing never wowed like Gertie).

Gertie for those who don't know was a B&W line drawing of a dinosaur which it's creator Windsor McCay interacted with on the stage. They performed various circus like act with McCay in a lion tamer type role.

Back to Star Wars does anyone remember Patrick Stewart saying if there was one film he could watch for the first time again it would be Star Wars? I feel the same way I think, the OT are so ingrained in my now especially since the DVD's were released that I find it hard to find something new from them. This is one of the reasons I'm looking forward to the Blu-Ray release so much I'm hoping they'll feel fresh. It is hard to get that innocence back though....

[Bluyoda]

Wow! I just watched a few minutes of Star Wars:The Holiday Special, and it really is the biggest pile of garbage ever produced.
WTF was responsible for this??

No way this is going to end up on our beloved BD set!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If so, I am not buying.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Beast

Mark's car accident was on January 11th, 1977. He fractured his nose and left cheekbone.

Whether he had later surgery I don't know but his nose looked completely different. I wonder if his agent told him to alter his perfectly fine nose into the "button" nose in the pictures below. Or it might just be the make-up? It looks more natural now. One thing about Mark is that he'll be 60 two days before the Blu-Rays are released (his Birthday is 25th September), perhaps he'll have the set as a early present lol....

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[Batman1980]

Hamill looks like a woman in the second shot there, dude has a bit of a Justin Beaver haircut going on.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

They probably couldn't handle it for a number of reasons. When "The Great Train Robbery" came out in 1904, it's reputed that people either fainted or ducked at the last scene when the gunman shoots right at the audience. Furthermore, audiences had to get used to the concept of parallel storytelling as well as the concept of editing.

1903.

I'm not sure that the audiences of the 1930s would have understood the editing techniques (especially in Aliens)

.

Have you seen Intolerance? There's nothing editorially about Aliens that a 1930's film audience couldn't comprehend. Shots of Earth-orbiting platforms, maybe, as no satellite technology existed, and no human had ever seen the Earth from space in even 1939...but there's nothing tricky or mind-blowing by the editing in Aliens.

and in spite of the relatively difficult lives they led (especially those who lived in poor countries or fought during World War I), whether they could have accepted the horrors those films so realistically demonstrated.

Well, they seemed to handle all kinds of horror films, sci-fi films and war films well enough in the 30's. I think they could handle a monster running around. Female ass-kicking protagonist, maybe not so much.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

Hamill looks like a woman in the second shot there, dude has a bit of a Justin Beaver haircut going on.

ILM are now superimposing Bieber on Hammil's face to bring in the tween crowd. The BD's are going to be massive....

[JamesKurtovich]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Wow! I just watched a few minutes of Star Wars:The Holiday Special, and it really is the biggest pile of garbage ever produced.
WTF was responsible for this??

No way this is going to end up on our beloved BD set!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If so, I am not buying.

Yeah, it's pretty bad. If I wasn't a Star Wars junkie, I wouldn't have sat through it!

I never got why Boba Fett is such a great character. He's not in the movies much (his new appearance in ANH SE makes him look like a Jabba goon) and he just gets thrown into the Sarlaac's mouth at the beginning of Jedi. And he's an annoying twirp in AOTC.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

Yeah, it's pretty bad. If I wasn't a Star Wars junkie, I wouldn't have sat through it!

I never got why Boba Fett is such a great character. He's not in the movies much (his new appearance in ANH SE makes him look like a Jabba goon) and he just gets thrown into the Sarlaac's mouth at the beginning of Jedi. And he's an annoying twirp in AOTC.

It was his mysteriousness (not many lines) that was appealing and he had a cool voice (in the UOT), talked back to Darth Vader and piloted Slave 1 lying down....

I think he survived the Sarlaac thing in the EU. But he went out without a fight in RotJ. At least he didn't bring a gun to a sword fight like his Dad.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

Yeah, it's pretty bad. If I wasn't a Star Wars junkie, I wouldn't have sat through it!

I never got why Boba Fett is such a great character. He's not in the movies much (his new appearance in ANH SE makes him look like a Jabba goon) and he just gets thrown into the Sarlaac's mouth at the beginning of Jedi. And he's an annoying twirp in AOTC.

Boba Fett was a pre-release "preview" action figure character released prior to the premier of The Empire Strikes Back. You sent in some proof-of-purchase tabs from Kenner, you could get the mysterious new action figure. No one knew anything about him, but his mystique and cool factor shot up to rival that of any of the major SW figures.

That's where it started.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Boba Fett was a pre-release "preview" action figure character released prior to the premier of The Empire Strikes Back. You sent in some proof-of-purchase tabs from Kenner, you could get the mysterious new action figure. No one knew anything about him, but his mystique and cool factor shot up to rival that of any of the major SW figures.

That's where it started.

Yeah, it's all style over substance when it comes to Boba Fett.

The fact they brought him back in the EU after he was killed in RotJ always bugged me.

[JamesKurtovich]

Originally Posted by chip75

It was his mysteriousness (not many lines) that was appealing and he had a cool voice (in the UOT), talked back to Darth Vader and piloted Slave 1 lying down....

I think he survived the Sarlaac thing in the EU. But he went out without a fight in RotJ. At least he didn't bring a gun to a sword fight like his Dad.

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Boba Fett was a pre-release "preview" action figure character released prior to the premier of The Empire Strikes Back. You sent in some proof-of-purchase tabs from Kenner, you could get the mysterious new action figure. No one knew anything about him, but his mystique and cool factor shot up to rival that of any of the major SW figures.

That's where it started.

Thanks for filling me in.

I prefer his original voice too.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

Thanks for filling me in.

I prefer his original voice too.

One odd thing about AotC is why Fett 'out-sourced' his assassination mission of Padme to Zam Wesell. He had a rocket pack why not fly outside her window and shoot a missle at her? Was his pack just for getaways?

Zam Wesell is another pet peeve with me when she was on the run she should have grabbed Anakin's lightsabre and taken his form. How cool would a Jedi bar fight have been? Obi-Wan could have cut her arm off. Why make a green monster? No wonder she morphed into a hot chick....