Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by IndefinentBlu

Maybe it's best i don't speak at all.

After all my comments are worthless and, mean absolutely nothing.

Oh, come on. Don't be sad!

I have read your post, and frankly, I don't think George saw it that way.

To me it always seemed that he died because he took his mask off to see Luke with his own eyes.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Dynamo of Eternia@ Need I say more?

In regards to what specifically? In my last reply to you I said that I agreed with you that the lightsaber conversation was ridiculous. I'm not supporting the more absurd arguments, just the bigger, sweeping issues with the PT.

What more are you looking for here?

[greg_achen]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

Except it wasn't spot on at all. People aren't complaining about small little nuances like whether or not the lightsaber sound effects in one movie matched with the sound effects in another, or anything like that. We are talking about major issues in terms of character and plot development. Quite a difference from what that comic is stating.

Not all the complaints are about small little nuances, but I suggest you reread this entire thread and then tell me there aren't debates about small little nuances. Everyone's guilty of it at times, myself included. I think the comic is quite apt in SOME instances.

I still think it's weird for people to obsess about things they hate. Phantom Menace came out over ten years ago and Revenge of the Sith close to six. Why spend hours creating or watching a documentary about movies that came out years ago that you already hate, and merely reinforces the opinions you've had all along? It's certainly anyone's right to do so and if it causes you enjoyment, power to you. I just personally do not understand it. Like I said previously, I can understand obsessing and devoting hours to something you love... but something you hate?

With that said, debates can be fun. I have had plenty of fun, RESPECTFUL debates with people about Star Wars whose opinions are the polar opposites of my own. But some of the people at this forum are some of the meanest, rudest, and most condescending pricks that truly are like a Simpsons' comic book nerd stereotype come to life. Aren't watching movies and discussing them supposed to be... well, fun?

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

In regards to what specifically? In my last reply to you I said that I agreed with you that the lightsaber conversation was ridiculous. I'm not supporting the more absurd arguments, just the bigger, sweeping issues with the PT.

What more are you looking for here?

I was referring to the posts above, now the previous page, with debates whether clones troopers had to pee etc....

It was a joke.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by radagast

Just another example of typical incindiary comments from Beast. Sir Alec Guiness stated that he was a little weirded out (my term) by the obsessiveness of the fans; specifically about the Force. He was a devout Roman Catholic and was troubled by the possible occultic aspects of The Force and the fans' obsession with it.

He made a child cry by being a huge ass to him. Just because the kid loved him as Obi-Wan.

Maybe he was senile or something, but there's really no excuse for that behavior. Yes, I realize he's now deceased.

But while I respect him as an actor and for his body of work. There's aboslutely no excuse for behaving like that.

[partridge]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

I still think it's weird for people to obsess about things they hate. Phantom Menace came out over ten years ago and Revenge of the Sith close to six. Why spend hours creating or watching a documentary about movies that came out years ago that you already hate, and merely reinforces the opinions you've had all along?

My view is that it's because they simply cannot believe that something they were looking forward to soooo much disappointed them even more. It's like a compulsion to try and understand how something that should have been amazing turned out, to them, to be an utter crushing let down on almost every level.

I kind of understand it. I don't hate the PT at all, but they're not my favourite films. We've all been pulled in by hype at one point or another only to find ourselves utterly mystified as to how the end product didn't in any way, shape or form, match that hype. The disappointment replaces the excitement and every now and again you find yourself returning to it just to confirm that it was as bad as you thought it was!

An example of another "kick to the groin" feeling is when you realise that the people involved in making the film you love more than life itself don't see it the same way you do. To them it's just a job, just a film they were involved in. To you, it's your life! When you see examples of inconsistency that you would never have allowed to happen if you were in charge, it's a painful reality check that the creative people making it aren't actually as obesessive as you are.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Beast

Which in the grand scheme of things means absolutely nothing. Ebert's opinion is no better or more worthy of respect than the average moviegoer. And shouldn't be taken as gospel. He's just a man with his own opinions and bias just like everyone else. Plus he's turned into something of an ass himself over the years, though it's understandable what with Siskel's death and then his health problems. But anyone who considers himself superior to the common man and considers others "not sufficiently evolved" is full of himself, and full of something else as well.

I'm not saying that his word should be taken as gospel. I've disagreed with him on many things over the years.

The bottom line is that he is a well repected figure in film criticism, and many other critics have had negative reviews of the PT, and the academy and much of the larger film community in general do not view the PT as being equal to the OT (or the SE-OT being superior to the UOT for that matter, since they wouldn't allow Lucas to submit it in place of the original version for film preservation).

Now comes the part where you dismiss all of this and say that "you don't care" what all of these people think. Fine, you don't have to care. I don't always agree with these people, myself. But on some level or another, in the grand scheme of things in the film business, is does matter, and it's just another piece of the overall puzzle that the PT is simply not regarded in general as being equal to or better than the OT. And there are issues with it. The RLM reviews go deep into that.

These things will always be subjective to some degree. But, when something gets a generally favorable response or a generally negative response, that ultimately says something about the work in the grand scheme of things, regardless of there being those who disagree with that general response (i.e. you).

You can sit here and only care about your own opinion and that of Lucas all you want and ignore the others, but the negative views that many have towards the PT aren't going anywhere, and despite your constant overly-simplistic assessment of the matter, it is not all a bunch of "fanboy whining". Either that, or if it is whining, then your constant retorts to the matter are just a bunch of whining as well.

And let's face it, at the end of the day, while you are entitled to your opinions, (and even though I somewhat agree with you on the Godfather issue), based on your posts around here, your overall taste in movies is at least somewhat questionable and goes against the majority most of the time. There's technically nothing wrong with that, but it's just funny how you hold your opinion in such high regard while dismissing those who have managed to actually make a considerably substatial living and career around theirs. If you expect your opinions to be regarded in a civil manner, going around dismissing more well-known others like that isn't the way to make that happen.


In regards to what I said to Blu-Yoda, I don't mean any disrespect (though I can see how it would be taken that way), but that was an honest observation on many of his posts. Many of them, quite frankly, to me, come across as though they've been written by a child. The issue isn't that he has a pro-PT opinion (you have a pro-PT opinion Beast, and your posts don't come off in the same manner), but a good chunk of the time they come across as imcomplete thoughts (and to make sense out of them, you have to know what the rest of the thought is) of a child followed by a bunch of "LOLs".

His post that I just replied to is a perfect example of that. He addresses me and apparently I was somehow supposed to know what he was referring to, even though it really made no sense.

Not all of his posts are like this, but it happens often enough that he's not doing much justice to the pro-PT side of the arguement, with all due respect.

[ObiTrentKenobi]

Originally Posted by IndefinentBlu

Maybe it's best i don't speak at all.

After all my comments are worthless and, mean absolutely nothing.

Maybe because you stated that the films contained dialogue that in actuallity don't exist?

I didn't know what to make of your comment on the apparent "slave microchips".

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by partridge

My view is that it's because they simply cannot believe that something they were looking forward to soooo much disappointed them even more. It's like a compulsion to try and understand how something that should have been amazing turned out, to them, to be an utter crushing let down on almost every level.

I kind of understand it. I don't hate the PT at all, but they're not my favourite films. We've all been pulled in by hype at one point or another only to find ourselves utterly mystified as to how the end product didn't in any way, shape or form, match that hype. The disappointment replaces the excitement and every now and again you find yourself returning to it just to confirm that it was as bad as you thought it was!

Yes, I agree. Very well put. This is what I was trying to say previously, but didn't quite express in as elequant a manner. And this is why being disapointed by and not liking the PT is a very different situation than just not liking a movie that is not based on or connected to anything else that you already had a huge fandom for.


And negative reviews of things, when done right, can just be fun and entertaining. Look at the reviews of Angry Video Game Nerd. Now that's just some hilarious stuff if you grew up with any of the games/systems that he reviews.

[JamesKurtovich]

All it takes for you to express your opinion, regardless of how you feel about it, is having a lot to say and the motivation to say it. Period.

I know I've spent way longer than a measly 4 hours in my life talking about why I hated something. Kudos to this reviewer for making a precise and thorough review. There's a lot that needs to be said about Lucas and his movies.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

All it takes for you to express your opinion, regardless of how you feel about it, is having a lot to say and the motivation to say it. Period.

Leprechauns piss me off.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by Beast

Which in the grand scheme of things means absolutely nothing. Ebert's opinion is no better or more worthy of respect than the average moviegoer. And shouldn't be taken as gospel. He's just a man with his own opinions and bias just like everyone else. Plus he's turned into something of an ass himself over the years, though it's understandable what with Siskel's death and then his health problems. But anyone who considers himself superior to the common man and considers others "not sufficiently evolved" is full of himself, and full of something else as well.

Just curious, Beast, what has this guy, who can't even speak, done recently to make him an ass?





EDIT: Ahh, you must be referring to this from 2009: http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2009..._brainiac.html I think he comes across looking better than some of the Transformers fans in the comments section. Ouch man!

Though I might have to agree with the man that people who think Transformers is better than Casablanca have some evolutionary issues.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Oh, those people with missing jaw bones are always going out of their way to cause trouble!

We better hope that he never needs to have any other bones or body parts removed... because that's when he'll REALLY get out of control!

[IndefinentBlu]

Originally Posted by ObiTrentKenobi

Maybe because you stated that the films contained dialogue that in actuallity don't exist?

I didn't know what to make of your comment on the apparent "slave microchips".

Actually it does exist.

DIALOGUE:

Shmi:" All slaves have a transmitter placed inside their bodies somewhere.
Anakin:I have been working on a scanner to try and locate them, but no luck
Shmi: Any attempt to escape...
Anakin:...and they blow you up... poof!

This was said in the phantom menace.

But i see that i should not post cause i don't know what i am talking about and, i make random idiotic posts/threads.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by IndefinentBlu

Actually it does exist.

DIALOGUE:

Shmi:" All slaves have a transmitter placed inside their bodies somewhere.
Anakin:I have been working on a scanner to try and locate them, but no luck
Shmi: Any attempt to escape...
Anakin:...and they blow you up... poof!

This was said in the phantom menace.

But i see that i should not post cause i don't know what i am talking about and, i make random idiotic posts/threads.

I think you are taking things WAY too personally here.

Yes, those lines were spoke in TPM. But that was in regards to slaves on Tatooine. I doubt that Palpatine used those in the Empire. There really wasn't much that I noticed in the OT to indicate this being the issue.

[JamesKurtovich]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

With that said, debates can be fun. I have had plenty of fun, RESPECTFUL debates with people about Star Wars whose opinions are the polar opposites of my own. But some of the people at this forum are some of the meanest, rudest, and most condescending pricks that truly are like a Simpsons' comic book nerd stereotype come to life. Aren't watching movies and discussing them supposed to be... well, fun?

Really? This is quite honestly one of the tamest places I've been to on the internet.

YouTube, IMDB, 4chan, Bodybuilding.com Misc., etc. are all places to go if you ever want to lose faith in humanity. It's a challenge if not impossible having civil discussions in those places.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

Sith don't pee.

Ok I will play along

Of course not, they Sith


PS: I hope I don't have to explain this one

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

EDIT: Ahh, you must be referring to this from 2009: http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2009..._brainiac.html I think he comes across looking better than some of the Transformers fans in the comments section. Ouch man!

Though I might have to agree with the man that people who think Transformers is better than Casablanca have some evolutionary issues.

I just read that. It's a bit harsh, but I must say that the man makes some excellent points. I agreed with most everything he said.

Heck, if the Star Wars PT has anything going for it, it's that it was still a lot better than Transformers ROTF!

[JediMatt]

Originally Posted by IndefinentBlu

I have been thinking about this i don't think it was the force lightning that killed Vader.

CAUSE:

Remember in Episode 1 when Padme says that all slaves have a transmitter placed inside of them.

Then Anakin says that if you try to escape then a button could be pushed and, kill you whether it is a toxin or an actual explosive that has never been explained.

In ROTJ just as Vader starts to pick up the emperor we hear what sounds like a beeping noise going off on his chest control plate.

NOW

I think either that the transmitter was secretly reactivated when he was placed in the suit and, it was fixed where if he turned against the emperor than it would activate and kill him.

OR

Maybe it was never removed from Anakin and, the force lightning activated it and killed him slowly.

OR

It could also be possible that Vader knew that the transmitter was reactivated when he went into the suit and,that is why he never dared to turn against his master cause he was afraid of death.

I think you're reading more into it than was there.

1. Vader is encased in a mechanical suit that keeps him alive.
2. The mechanical suit is struck by large amounts of electricity.
3. The mechanical suit fails, Vader dies.

That's it.

Now stop crying about it.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

In regards to what I said to Blu-Yoda, I don't mean any disrespect (though I can see how it would be taken that way), but that was an honest observation on many of his posts. Many of them, quite frankly, to me, come across as though they've been written by a child. The issue isn't that he has a pro-PT opinion (you have a pro-PT opinion Beast, and your posts don't come off in the same manner), but a good chunk of the time they come across as imcomplete thoughts (and to make sense out of them, you have to know what the rest of the thought is) of a child followed by a bunch of "LOLs".

His post that I just replied to is a perfect example of that. He addresses me and apparently I was somehow supposed to know what he was referring to, even though it really made no sense.

Not all of his posts are like this, but it happens often enough that he's not doing much justice to the pro-PT side of the arguement, with all due respect.

Oh, I see what you mean. Well, that's my character.
I like to startle people, make them think for themselves, much like what Lucas attempted to do with his PT.

You see, I am really busy, so I just write as little as possible, and assume that folks like yourself are able to put 1+1 together. Hm, apparently some can't. No offense though.

I see you have a lot of spare time, or not much to do at work, as your posts are very long. Not everyone can devote this much time to a thread such as this.

Btw., in my world, that would be Dagobah, my former post made perfect sense.

Also, I think the smileys here are cute, so just don't look if you have a problem with them.