Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Well I am a huge fans of the prequels and I am expected to keep quiet as well when someone is thrashing them...that is life, we all have to deal with it the best we can

I don't care about your opinion to be honest. However, you can scream and yell all you want about the PT in this forum as it is actually the place to do so. If someone mocks the PT in this forum, by all means don't stay silent.

The Godfather though? Nah, this isn't really the place for that. If I look up and read the title of the fourm does it not state: Star Wars: The Complete Saga, Original and Prequel Trilogy? Where does it say: Star Wars: The Complete Saga, Original and Prequel Trilogy (AND THE GODFATHER SAGA starring Al Pacino and Marlon Brando!!!)

Perhaps I missed it? Please enlighten me as to why its necessary to hear your opinion on the Godfather here? The Godfather was mentioned in passing as an example of something Beast and I disagreed on in the past, sure. But the ulitimate point of it was to defend the guy because I felt, while he and I do not match up in the films we like, that his opinion is 100% valid when it comes to the Star Wars films, which is ulitimatly WHAT this forum is about. He doesn't usually say things to get a rise out of people, like others. That was the point.

At no point did anyone ask: Please, P@t_Mtl, please tell us why you don't like the Godfather? We need to know... I don't recall anyone asking you? Please, show me the post where someone asked you to come out with your thoughts/feelings on that film series? Perhaps you feel left out? Okay, if so, please tell me why you enjoy the PT. I would love to hear it as it is actually relevant and would not mind discussing the finer points of both Trilogies with you.

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by IndefinentBlu

Or how about every time you post something and,someone comes on and calls you a liar and, says that you make up ridiculously random posts. you know those kind of people that are on your friend list.

Is that about me?
I´m not really sure what you are talking about ...

[IndefinentBlu]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

Is that about me?
I´m not really sure what you are talking about ...

Just look a couple of pages back to the fiasco that took place yesterday.

As a matter of fact look at the past 20 pages and, see what responses i get every time i post they have pretty much labeled me a

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

Is that about me?
I´m not really sure what you are talking about ...

No, he isn't talking about you. He had a interesting thought on Vader's death that was ignored while everyone here was participating in 'The Great Godfather debate of 2011.' Someone said he was referencing a line that didn't exist in the Phantom Menace (turns out it was certainly there). He was trying, in vain to get us back on track. It was an interesting thought about a slave chip that might have kept Vader in line. However, I think when Anakin became a Padawan or youngling (take your pick) that the Jedi would have removed the slave chip.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Jay444

At no point did anyone ask: Please, P@t_Mtl, please tell us why you don't like the Godfather? We need to know... I don't recall anyone asking you? Please, show me the post where someone asked you to come out with your thoughts/feelings on that film series? Perhaps you feel left out? Okay, if so, please tell me why you enjoy the PT. I would love to hear it as it is actually relevant and would not mind discussing the finer points of both Trilogies with you.

Neither was my post talking about The Godfather pointing at you, it was in response to someone else asking me about it a few pages back, yet you wanted to comment on it, in any case I see no reason to continue talking about it except that you just bring it back. Go figure!!

As for my enjoyment of the prequels, I enjoy them point. I see no reason to talk about it with someone who will no doubt find everything I talk about amusing and give me the same old replies I have heard from every other person on here who find them ridiculous and post links to a youtube video of a 4 hour review about a movie he hated.

I am done with it, you guys want to continue to bring back Brando or The Godfather, do it without me.

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Neither was my post talking about The Godfather pointing at you, it was in response to someone else asking me about it a few pages back, yet you wanted to comment on it, in any case I see no reason to continue talking about it except that you just bring it back. Go figure!!

As for my enjoyment of the prequels, I enjoy them point. I see no reason to talk about it with someone who will no doubt find everything I talk about amusing and give me the same old replies I have heard from every other person on here who find them ridiculous and post links to a youtube video of a 4 hour review about a movie he hated.

I am done with it, you guys want to continue to bring back Brando or The Godfather, do it without me.

Interesting... you will be missed....

If you go the page 536, you will see my post (post 11) where I mention I find Beast's film tastes 'questionable' because he doesn't like the Godfather or the Nolan Batman films. There is no further mention of the Godfather until your post (post 17) of 3 bullet points about why you don't like the Godfather. At no point between posts 11 - 17 did anyone ask you about the Godfather or ask you why you didn't like it. Go back and correct me if I am wrong. But if you were not responding to me; then exactly WHOM were you responding to?

I am glad you enjoy the PT as they are fine films. Of course I don't think they are great films, but they do what they set out to do (entertain, and be popcorn flicks, which is why some people go to the movies). Some people think about Star Wars films too much and can go off on tangents picking the films apart because there are things between the two trilogies that don't make sense as a whole.

However, there is no way George Lucas would know that because he is doing other things with his life other than watching Star Wars (there are peeps here whom have said they watched a Star Wars film once a day for a year...). Would it have helped him to have an extra writer or two review the scripts to make sure there were no errors for fanboys to scream about? Sure. But, for my money, he got a lot more right than he did wrong.

Best single moment in the PT was Obi Wan picking up Anakin's lightsaber at the end of Revenge of the Sith. Ties perfectly into a ANH. Sure, Lucas may have missed some of the smaller details, but he got the big ones right.

[IndefinentBlu]

Originally Posted by Jay444

Interesting... you will be missed....

If you go the page 536, you will see my post (post 11) where I mention I find Beast's film tastes 'questionable' because he doesn't like the Godfather or the Nolan Batman films. There is no further mention of the Godfather until your post (post 17) of 3 bullet points about why you don't like the Godfather. At no point between posts 11 - 17 did anyone ask you about the Godfather or ask you why you didn't like it. Go back and correct me if I am wrong. But if you were not responding to me; then exactly WHOM were you responding to?

I am glad you enjoy the PT as they are fine films. Of course I don't think they are great films, but they do what they set out to do (entertain, and be popcorn flicks, which is why some people go to the movies). Some people think about Star Wars films too much and can go off on tangents picking the films apart because there are things between the two trilogies that don't make sense as a whole.

However, there is no way George Lucas would know that because he is doing other things with his life other than watching Star Wars (there are peeps here whom have said they watched a Star Wars film once a day for a year...). Would it have helped him to have an extra writer or two review the scripts to make sure there was no errors for fanboys to scream about? Sure. But, for my money, he got a lot more right than he did wrong.

Best single moment in the PT was Obi Wan picking up Anakin's lightsaber at the end of Revenge of the Sith. Ties perfectly into a ANH. Sure, Lucas may have missed some of the smaller details, but he got the big ones right.

I think Lucas did a great job with Episode 3 i also think it received a 3-1/2 out of 4 star rating.

(DID THAT SOUND STUPID. GOSH I HOPE NOT!)

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by IndefinentBlu

I think Lucas did a great job with Episode 3 i also think it received a 3-1/2 out of 4 star rating.

(DID THAT SOUND STUPID. GOSH I HOPE NOT!)

Episode 3 is the best of the prequel for me. It had everything in it that make's Star Wars great, including the silly moments that seem to make some go nuts The originals had their fair share of silly moments as well so I think the balance is there in the end.

Episode 3 could have done better but after 6 years of complaint by some fans it really just had a hard time recovering. It's too bad since it's a good movie.

[IndefinentBlu]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Episode 3 is the best of the prequel for me. It had everything in it that make's Star Wars great, including the silly moments that seem to make some go nuts The originals had their fair share of silly moments as well so I think the balance is there in the end.

Episode 3 could have done better but after 6 years of complaint by some fans it really just had a hard time recovering. It's too bad since it's a good movie.

I agree with you.

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by IndefinentBlu

I think Lucas did a great job with Episode 3 i also think it received a 3-1/2 out of 4 star rating.

(DID THAT SOUND STUPID. GOSH I HOPE NOT!)

I agree with you 100%. It was a very very good film and easily (imo) the best of the 3 PT films. I didn't much care for the "NOOOO!!" at the end, but whatever, everything else was well done. I think that might be the biggest issue a lot of the OT fan have, is they wanted more of a connection between the PT and OT. What I think a lot of people wanted was to see Darth Vader kickin' Jedi @$$ for 3 films and what they got wasn't what they had imagined over the 16 year wait between films (ya know, Vader appearing only at the end of Episode 3). Thus lots were disappointed. But I am def agree with you, ROTS was a good time!

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Jay444

I agree with you 100%. It was a very very good film and easily (imo) the best of the 3 PT films. I didn't much care for the "NOOOO!!" at the end, but whatever, everything else was well done. I think that might be the biggest issue a lot of the OT fan have, is they wanted more of a connection between the PT and OT. What I think a lot of people wanted was to see Darth Vader kickin' Jedi @$$ for 3 films and what they got wasn't what they had imagined over the 16 year wait between films (ya know, Vader appearing only at the end of Episode 3). Thus lots were disappointed. But I am def agree with you, ROTS was a good time!

The no is a little silly I sort of agree but I am willing to give it a pass since it's Star Wars and the type of movie it is. It's the kind of stuff one would see all the time in a comic book which in the end Star Wars movies are, giant comic book type movies. I think some of the fail is on the part of James Earl Jones, he just doesn't seem to be convince when he is doing it

One of the main problem with the Star Wars movies I think is that Lucas remain in the 70's-80's and did not see the world becoming a much more jaded society. The NO!!! 30 years ago would have been a none issue I think for any audiences watching it, while in 2005 it's just make them giggle. Lucas made them more or less by himself with failing to see the world had just change too much in the time it took.

Yes he should have maybe gotten more people around him to sort of point out these silly things to him but since he is no longer part of the guild or something like that he is rather limited on who he can get. Plus who would say "sorry George you can't do that, it's silly" to his face?

[DetroitSportsFan]

Originally Posted by IndefinentBlu

http://theforce.net/latestnews/story...ime_137301.asp

Looks like Lucas can direct huh

Says a poll by ABC News and People Magazine.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by IndefinentBlu

Or how about every time you post something and,someone comes on and calls you a liar and, says that you make up ridiculously random posts.

Which is pretty much how it is ANYWHERE on BR.com, regardless of the movie or the side you take with it. Everyone thinks their opinion is right and the others are wrong, and the usual rude, meaningless banter ensues.

[balthazar_bee]

Originally Posted by Uxi

Seriously, though, the Muppet needs to go. Middle ground would be CGI enhancement without completely replacing it. Walking, climbing, etc but also the face is very... muppet-ish unlike the Ep3 CGI model.

Frankly, this is just gibberish to me.

The Empire Strikes Back was a wonderful fantasy adventure and, I would argue, near-perfect motion picture in 1980. It remains such.

Why, aside from Lucas's slavish devotion to technological revisionism, and this new crop of fans' slavish devotion to him, would anyone perceive the film to be lacking - particularly people who claim to *like* the film?

Since people have been talking about the Godfather, let's make a comparison: If current technology allowed Coppola to remove De Niro and insert a picture-perfect computer copy of a young Marlon Brando into the flashback sequences of Vito in Godather 2, should he?

As good as De Niro was, he never really got the back of the throat rasp right, and his face is too gaunt, and his eyes are the wrong colour, you can tell it's not Brando.

Or is that sacred? I see no difference...

UNLESS the original is given the same opportunities to be made available right along side the doctored version - and "doctored" is the right word.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Jay444

Best single moment in the PT was Obi Wan picking up Anakin's lightsaber at the end of Revenge of the Sith. Ties perfectly into a ANH. Sure, Lucas may have missed some of the smaller details, but he got the big ones right.

That's interesting, as they forgot all about it and had to reshoot it afterwards. So Lucas nearly missed that one completely....

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by chip75

That's interesting, as they forgot all about it and had to reshoot it afterwards. So Lucas nearly missed that one completely....

Yeah, that is funny that they almost forgot that. It's funny how the arguably small, but none-the-less important details were either missed or (as in this case) near missed.

And while this may be a bit nit-picky, to me the whole deal in Episode II where Anakin keeps losing/almost losing/breaking his lightsaber kind of detracts from the specialness and symbolicness of Obi Wan giving Luke his father's light saber in Episode IV. It's more like, "This was your father's lightsaber... well... it was the last lightsaber that he used, I should say. He would need a replacement about every other week."

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

The no is a little silly I sort of agree but I am willing to give it a pass since it's Star Wars and the type of movie it is. It's the kind of stuff one would see all the time in a comic book which in the end Star Wars movies are, giant comic book type movies. I think some of the fail is on the part of James Earl Jones, he just doesn't seem to be convince when he is doing it

One of the main problem with the Star Wars movies I think is that Lucas remain in the 70's-80's and did not see the world becoming a much more jaded society. The NO!!! 30 years ago would have been a none issue I think for any audiences watching it, while in 2005 it's just make them giggle. Lucas made them more or less by himself with failing to see the world had just change too much inthe time it took.

Yes he should have maybe gotten more people around him to sort of point out these silly things to him but since he is no longer part of the guild or something like that he is rather limited on who he can get. Plus who would say "sorry George you can't do that, it's silly" to his face?

You are certainly correct, especially with the last line which is why I felt he (Lucas) would have benefit greatly from a different producer than Rick McCallum whom seemed to be too much of a yes man. I think Lucas works better when he is challenged, ya know? That is a huge advantage the OT had, was there were a lot of hands in the cookie jar and sometimes, that is a good thing.

Honestly, imagine how great the PT movies could have been if he had tried to get some more input from a producer Like Coppola or Spielberg? I mean, Lucas is great friends with those two and certainly each one would have been able to give some guidance Lucas could have used to great effect. Those two would have the ability to say "No, maybe try this..." and Lucas might have listened. If I do recall he had Speilberg sit down and offer talking points on the last 1/2 hour of TPM? I could be wrong there. Wishful thinking I know, but he could have really knocked it out of the park if he had the right kind of help.

Regardless, you are right. A lot of time has passed since the OT and the more jaded views we have today certainly played a role with how the PT was recieved.

[IndefinentBlu]

I did not even notice these lightsaber inconsistencies/goofs in EP 3 i will have to check it out myself.

http://www.thelightsaber.com/web/Goo.../rotsgoofs.htm

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by balthazar_bee

Frankly, this is just gibberish to me.

The Empire Strikes Back was a wonderful fantasy adventure and, I would argue, near-perfect motion picture in 1980. It remains such.

Why, aside from Lucas's slavish devotion to technological revisionism, and this new crop of fans' slavish devotion to him, would anyone perceive the film to be lacking - particularly people who claim to *like* the film?

Since people have been talking about the Godfather, let's make a comparison: If current technology allowed Coppola to remove De Niro and insert a picture-perfect computer copy of a young Marlon Brando into the flashback sequences of Vito in Godather 2, should he?

As good as De Niro was, he never really got the back of the throat rasp right, and his face is too gaunt, and his eyes are the wrong colour, you can tell it's not Brando.

Or is that sacred? I see no difference...

UNLESS the original is given the same opportunities to be made available right along side the doctored version - and "doctored" is the right word.

If it was Coppola's decision, then yes I think he would be allowed to do it. If Coppola is no longer with us and 30 years from now and someone in Hollywood wanted to do it I would say no. In the end only Coppola can make changes to the movies he made, like it or not he does have that right. You can disagre if it's a good idea or not yes but you cannot deny him the right to do it if he wanted to. It's the same with Lucas, I said it before yes we can say bad idea or not but you cannot remove his rights to do it. You can debate the shoud he or should he not but not his right to actually doing it if he wish to

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

Yeah, that is funny that they almost forgot that. It's funny how the arguably small, but none-the-less important details were either missed or (as in this case) near missed.

I think a lot of fans criticisms arise because they/we treat the original trilogy as source material. It's easy for an Ian Flemming fan to say they dislike how the Bond movies are made because they detract or deviate from the source material i.e. the novels. It's harder for Star Wars fans because the source material changes daily i.e. George Lucas's brain. We regard the Yoda Ep. IV puppet as source material while infact it's just a prop made to the best of the abilities of the modellers and puppeteers of the day....