Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

There was nothing stopping Padme from freeing Shmi and though Republic currency was worthless on Tatooine, they could've traded her freedom in exchange for something like a spaceship. Though the Jedi and the Republic are not in the habit of freeing slaves, you would think they would have been willing to make an exception for the mother of a boy who risked his life for them in a pod race and then later destroyed the Trade Federation droid control ship thus effectively ending the battle on Naboo and saving thousands of lives. Padme, Naboo, the Jedi, and the Republic REALLY couldn't have done SOMETHING to help Anakin's mother for all he did for them?

Anakin hadn't even seen Padme for 10 years until the start of Clones, so why would she give a toss about freeing Shmi? She has got her own planet to run, after all. And the Jedi are supposed to be a compassionate bunch, sure, but if they free another slave outside of their "jurisdiction" (if you could call it that) then where does it stop? You've got to realise that the Republic is beset by bureaucracy at all levels, which is why the Jedi don't go marauding across the stars like a galactic version of the A-Team.

Still, nothing I can say can change your opinion. But that plot point doesn't bother me in the least.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Anakin hadn't even seen Padme for 10 years until the start of Clones, so why would she give a toss about freeing Shmi? She has got her own planet to run, after all. And the Jedi are supposed to be a compassionate bunch, sure, but if they free another slave outside of their "jurisdiction" (if you could call it that) then where does it stop? You've got to realise that the Republic is beset by bureaucracy at all levels, which is why the Jedi don't go marauding across the stars like a galactic version of the A-Team.

Still, nothing I can say can change your opinion. But that plot point doesn't bother me in the least.

Doesn't bother me either, there are rules for a reason, if the Jedi just did whatever they wanted with no regard for rules or regulations, they really wouldn't be any better than the Sith.

[motorheadache95]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Anakin hadn't even seen Padme for 10 years until the start of Clones, so why would she give a toss about freeing Shmi? She has got her own planet to run, after all. And the Jedi are supposed to be a compassionate bunch, sure, but if they free another slave outside of their "jurisdiction" (if you could call it that) then where does it stop? You've got to realise that the Republic is beset by bureaucracy at all levels, which is why the Jedi don't go marauding across the stars like a galactic version of the A-Team.

Still, nothing I can say can change your opinion. But that plot point doesn't bother me in the least.

I don't believe that all. Amidala would have for sure paid to free Anakin's mother. Do you honestly think Anakin wouldn't ask her to be freed, and when he did, Amidala or the Jedi would say no? After all, we've established that a slave is worth about the price of a Pod Racer.


Now what you COULD argue is that they did look into freeing her, and discovered that she had already been freed and married what's-his-face. And maybe Anakin didn't know exactly what happened, just that his mother's freedom had been "taken care of." That's how I rationalized it, although I think the situation with his mother should have been fleshed out better.


By the way, the nitpicky stuff in the RLM reviews aren't why people like them, and he DOES address the big picture, and how it matters more than the little trivial stuff he makes fun of.

[greg_achen]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Anakin hadn't even seen Padme for 10 years until the start of Clones, so why would she give a toss about freeing Shmi? She has got her own planet to run, after all.

Why should Padme give a crap about freeing Shmi? Maybe because she welcomed Padme into her home and allowed her 10 year old son to risk his life on her and her planet's behalf. Not to mention that Anakin once again risked his life by destroying the droid control ship and saved thousands of her people's lives on Naboo. The LEAST she could have done was make an attempt to free his mother. I wasn't saying they should have made an attempt to free Shmi 10 years after the fact. I am saying they should have made an attempt to free her immediately. It seems pretty cold not to.

And the Jedi are supposed to be a compassionate bunch, sure, but if they free another slave outside of their "jurisdiction" (if you could call it that) then where does it stop?

It stops with freeing the mother of the Chosen One. The mother who allowed her son to go with the Jedi and risk his life on their behalf. Watto wasn't exactly living in wealth and it wouldn't have taken much to trade with him in order to get Shmi's freedom.

Still, nothing I can say can change your opinion. But that plot point doesn't bother me in the least.

On the whole, it doesn't bother me that much or hinder my enjoyment of the Saga. But it's another reason why Attack of the Clones is my least favorite of all six films

[MCT]

Originally Posted by Beast

Luke....He's just a dumb blonde from the outer rim.

apple doesn't fall far from the tree, does it

[Indyjones]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

I did hear that he's interesting in tweaking OT Yoda (movement, facial expression, etc.) but that's hollow ground so if he does indeed plan on it then he should tread lightly.

The odds of that happening are probably zero. Rob Coleman confirmed years ago that the Yoda in the OT would and will be left alone. They did do some scenes from TESB, but that was for a test only, for the CGI Yoda in AOTC. There's absolutely no reason for the Yoda puppet in the OT to be tweaked. It works perfectly fine for what was needed in the OT, and, the CGI Yoda was carefully animated to perform just like the puppet, minus the action scenes, so what would be the point?

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by IndefinentBlu

I believe he will change the puppet yoda for the digital yoda.

He already has, the footage is on the Episode II or III DVD.

[Indyjones]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

He already has, the footage is on the Episode II or III DVD.

It's on the Episode III dvd, the Anakin/Vader featurette I believe...

[JamesKurtovich]

Definitely change TPM Yoda. The puppet they used is no good since they ended up scrapping it for the CG version in II and III.

Plus it looks weird.

Originally Posted by Beast

Why would he? There's no need to go into technical details with Luke about the force. He's just a dumb blonde from the outer rim.

A dumb blonde who ends up saving the Jedi Order! I guess knowledge of the midichlorians died with Yoda?

[DeadPool619]

Day 1 for me,and my thought served me right,I knew once the Star Wars was given a release date all the other big films would follow suit. It has already started...Scarface and more to follow.

[JamesKurtovich]

Originally Posted by DeadPool619

Day 1 for me,and my thought served me right,I knew once the Star Wars was given a release date all the other big films would follow suit. It has already started...Scarface and more to follow.

I'm eagerly waiting for Indiana Jones and Jurassic Park.

[Sith]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Anakin hadn't even seen Padme for 10 years until the start of Clones, so why would she give a toss about freeing Shmi? She has got her own planet to run, after all. And the Jedi are supposed to be a compassionate bunch, sure, but if they free another slave outside of their "jurisdiction" (if you could call it that) then where does it stop? You've got to realise that the Republic is beset by bureaucracy at all levels, which is why the Jedi don't go marauding across the stars like a galactic version of the A-Team.

Still, nothing I can say can change your opinion. But that plot point doesn't bother me in the least.

Jedi are supposed to follow the will of the force, not governments. Though they serve the Republic, there ultimate master is the force. He is not to far off to suggest that they should of at least tried a little harder to free a slave that just gave them shelter.

A Sith of course would of just grabbed his lightsaber, ignited it, and freedom would of been had. One way or the other!

[DeadPool619]

Sure to be out sooner than people think because someone has to win the sales of the month,and what better than Lucas and Spielberg?

[JamesKurtovich]

Originally Posted by Sith

A Sith of course would of just grabbed his lightsaber, ignited it, and freedom would of been had. One way or the other!

Maybe that's one of the reasons why Anakin was attracted to the Dark Side. He probably had several fantasies where he killed Watto and was able to travel to a free system with his Mom. From these early experiences he decided that murder, intimidation, and control can be good things.

Probably was hard to see the Jedi as heroes after they turned a blind eye to the suffering on Tatooine.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

Maybe that's one of the reasons why Anakin was attracted to the Dark Side. He probably had several fantasies where he killed Watto and was able to travel to a free system with his Mom. From these early experiences he decided that murder, intimidation, and control can be good things.

Probably was hard to see the Jedi as heroes after they turned a blind eye to the suffering on Tatooine.

The Jedi are not a military arm to be used to free planets across the Republic and the Outer Territories, they are keepers of the Peace that are supposed to do the Senate's bidding.

[Sith]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

Maybe that's one of the reasons why Anakin was attracted to the Dark Side. He probably had several fantasies where he killed Watto and was able to travel to a free system with his Mom. From these early experiences he decided that murder, intimidation, and control can be good things.

Probably was hard to see the Jedi as heroes after they turned a blind eye to the suffering on Tatooine.

It's also hard to understand why he never got in contact or went to see her. I mean he's was a powerful jedi. Him and Obi-Wan together I'm sure could of over the years found something Watto would of traded for her freedom.

[Sith]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

The Jedi are not a military arm to be used to free planets across the Republic and the Outer Territories, they are keepers of the Peace that are supposed to do the Senate's bidding.

They assist the Senate when there interests align. But the jedi answer only to the jedi council and the Masters that sit on it.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by Sith

They assist the Senate when there interests align. But the jedi answer only to the jedi council and the Masters that sit on it.

To add to this, the temple wasn't even originally on coruscant. They relocated there after the original was destroyed by the sith. At one time the Jedi were on the outskirts aand kept to themselves. They only get olinvolved in things that involves their interests. This is why there were problems with some Jedi when they were turned into generals that palpatine could use on a whim.

[JamesKurtovich]

Still, I'm surprised that a Senator who personally witnessed the practice of slavery on Tatooine would just forget all about it and do nothing to try to change it. Did the Hutts have powerful influence in the Senate or what?

"Hey guys, there's this planet that lies beyond our reach so I propose we absorb them into our group of systems. There's slavery and everyone is afraid of the local gangsters. Thieves and wanted murderers are everywhere. Innocent folk live in tiny houses with little money. In the name of peace, we should send a group of Jedi Knights to liberate the innocent and punish the criminals."

And what when Luke left after Owen and Beru were killed? Was this still happening? It seems like the Empire had more control over the planet than the Republic did. Did Vader go back and make BBQ out of Watto?

This is just fun stuff to think about.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

Still, I'm surprised that a Senator who personally witnessed the practice of slavery on Tatooine would just forget all about it and do nothing to try to change it. Did the Hutts have powerful influence in the Senate or what?

"Hey guys, there's this planet that lies beyond our reach so I propose we absorb them into our group of systems. There's slavery and everyone is afraid of the local gangsters. Thieves and wanted murderers are everywhere. Innocent folk live in tiny houses with little money. In the name of peace, we should send a group of Jedi Knights to liberate the innocent and punish the criminals."

And what when Luke left after Owen and Beru were killed? Was this still happening? It seems like the Empire had more control over the planet than the Republic did. Did Vader go back and make BBQ out of Watto?

This is just fun stuff to think about.

It is fun to speculate on this stuff. In fact, its one of my favorite things about star wars. I can speculate about all kinds of things.