Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

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Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

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Well we know they will at least be the 04 versions, and people are just making an educated guess that it will fix the problems those DVDs had, and so therefore be a 'new' version? Besides, I thought the replacement of puppet yoda with CGI in Phantom had already been confirmed, that's one change we do know about.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

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Well, the news that at least the Yoda Puppet from TPM has been replaced. So likely other tweaks have been made as well.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by srinivas1015

Well, I don't know too much about seamless branching but with Harry potter and the deathly hallows which has maximum movie mode, it branches out every 5mins or so. You should open up the folder on a pc..you'll see what I mean.

With A New Hope though, everything from the crawl to the starfields have been changed.

And there's so many minor CGI enhancements and tweaks, it just wouldn't make sense.

They would have to be presented on seperate discs. At least A New Hope in this case.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Yikes. I always assumed we would have branching or both SE versions of the films. I do not like the '04 versions of of either Empire or Jedi due to the changes in the story elements. I was hoping I could watch '04 New Hope and '97 Empire/Jedi.

The only thing the '04 release improved on was the bad CG Jabba from ANH being upgraded to a mediocre CG Jabba that I could actually stomach.

If this release is just going to be more tweaks on the '04's, then I will likely pass on the whole thing. With each modification made to the original trilogy, the less and less endeared I have become to them.

If all of this conjecture is true, then my last DVD set may have well been my final outing with the SW universe. I may have to hunt down those UOT DVDs that were ported from the laserdisks.

[srinivas1015]

Originally Posted by Beast

Well, the news that at least the Yoda Puppet from TPM has been replaced. So likely other tweaks have been made as well.

I wanna ask you guys a question..why is it that the puppet in tpm bothers so many fans?I get so engrossed in esb that I never end up thinking about yoda..but even with tpm,it didn't bother me that much(although I noticed some lip sync issues)..but now-a-days, the puppet is all I think about every time I watch tpm.. This still doesnt happen with esb.
But I still prefer the puppet as compared to the fake cgi yoda in AOTC. To me, atleast the puppet looks more 'organic'.

[Geoff D]

Beast is correct. There are so many alterations to the first film that seamless branching is out of the question. The other two, maybe they could get away with it.

srinivas: the Yoda puppet in Phantom Menace looks very rigid and unexpressive. The original puppet wees on it from a great height, as does the CG Yoda (in Sith, anyway).

[Beast]

Originally Posted by srinivas1015

I wanna ask you guys a question..why is it that the puppet in tpm bothers so many fans?I get so engrossed in esb that I never end up thinking about yoda..but even with tpm,it didn't bother me that much(although I noticed some lip sync issues)..but now-a-days, the puppet is all I think about every time I watch tpm.. This still doesnt happen with esb.
But I still prefer the puppet as compared to the fake cgi yoda in AOTC. To me, atleast the puppet looks more 'organic'.

The puppet was created from a mold of the original Star Wars Yoda puppet.

But something seriously went wrong in the process. It just doesn't look like Yoda. It looks like his deformed inbred cousin.

The CGI version is a huge improvement and is a much much closer match to the puppet from the OT than the crappy TPM puppet was.

[srinivas1015]

Oh ok..but maybe they could have branching for the 'bigger' alterations like Han shooting first or the Falcon taking off, those kind of scenes..I don't mind the updates to the fx and obviously we can no longer have the old opening crawl now that we have eps1-3. Though prequel haters who pretend they don't exist may welcome the old crawl

[PeterTHX]

Fark!

Same old BS. Not discussing the BDs in favor of mindless Prequel & Lucas bashing.

[kamphausd1]

Originally Posted by Beast

Pretty much impossible. Given the number of minute changes, especially in A New Hope. Seemless Branching is next to impossible.

Besides, there's a number of other reasons why it won't happen. For the reason you leave out, it goes against the desires of the film's creator.

If the prequels and special editions are truly representative of what Lucas' desires are, then I really have no interest in seeing his desires.

I do agree however that seemless branching probably wouldn't work.

[srinivas1015]

Originally Posted by Beast

The puppet was created from a mold of the original Star Wars Yoda puppet.

But something seriously went wrong in the process. It just doesn't look like Yoda. It looks like his deformed inbred cousin.

The CGI version is a huge improvement and is a much much closer match to the puppet from the OT than the crappy TPM puppet was.

I always thought something was weird about him, never could put my finger on it..always figured that's how he must have looked when he was younger. For parody's sake, how would it be if the inbred incident is the reason the Jedi condemn love?. It gives a whole new meaning to the kiss in esb

[Dotpattern]

Originally Posted by georgec

That's what I'm saying, though - Lucas parted ways with anyone who challenged him creatively (e.g. Kurtz), and the remaining people dare not question him too much. You can just see it in that the documentary about making TPM. Go to the 3:45 mark - Burtt tries to kindly tell George the movie stinks. Look at Rick McCallum's face - disgust. We don't know what was discussed behind closed doors, but you can see restrained disappointment.

I have to disagree for a number of reasons.

1) I've been in enough creative and post-production meetings that I recognize those expressions. It's nothing more than a typical first view of a first cut with everyone trying to hammer through what is working in the film and what needs work. To me, McCallum doesn't look disgusted at all. He looks like someone who is listening (intently) and digesting everything he's hearing. Burtt doesn't look or sound like he's saying anything "kindly." He sounds like a professional who's giving his professional opinion about what he believes needs some work. He's not saying it stinks. It's the first cut of the movie. You make a cut, see how it's working, then you adjust based on everyone's feedback. You go through this process several times until the director is satisfied or until you've literally run out of time and have to release the movie as is. Which brings me to:

2) Lucas doesn't look or sound like he's shooting laserbolts from his eyes at Burtt. To me, he looks, and is reacting, like he is acknowledging that there are problems that need to be worked out. He doesn't say to Burtt, "Hey shut your mouth this movie is perfect!" No, he says, "I may have gone to far." He then mimics someone pulling their hair out and groans. And...

3) This documentary wasn't produced by a 3rd party documentary team. It was produced by Lucasfilms...and required Lucas' final approval on not only the final cut of the video, but the inclusion of it on the DVD. If your interpretation of attitudes and behaviors was what was really going on in that video, I don't believe for one second that Lucas would have allowed himself to be showcased in a negative light. I believe he's trying to give us insight into the movie making process and showing us that making movies is not easy and requires a lot of decision making. I personally don't see anything in that video that suggests he's a dictator and unwilling to hear anyone object to anything they disagree with.

[DarthMarino]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

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It's been stated that they will include "only the latest special edition" versions. We already know about the digital Yoda change in Phantom Menace. Obi-Wan's yell to scare off the Sand People in A New Hope has apparently also been changed (again). There will, without any doubt, be even more changes as there will with every release until the day Lucas dies.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

Another trilogy would not make any sense! The complete story is told... what could possibly happen in another trilogy that would add anything to the overall story? The saga is just perfect the way it is. You can´t improve on a perfect circle. Why are people always asking about more Episodes? I just don´t get it...

Maybe because Lucas originally envisioned 9 episodes. In fact, after episodes IV-VI were done, Lucas had said at one point that he was going to produce the films in this order: Episode I, VII, II, VIII, III, IX.

I haven't read any of the novels but I've occasionally scanned the jacket blurbs and there's all kinds of interesting story material there: Leia and Han's kids, Luke's kids, one or more of them turning to "the dark side", new Siths showing up (I think), etc. I think one of the latest books has Luke teaming up with a Sith or some traditional Star Wars villain in order to stop "some new evil".

Besides, think about this (and I don't know if this has been covered in the books): Palpatine and Vader are dead. The Death Star has been blown up. But who's running the galaxy in place of the Empire? There's always someone who fills any kind of power vacuum and it's not necessarily the good guys. So you could have a galaxy that's filled with chaos because there are no strong rulers or you could have a galaxy that's taken over by beings who are even worse than Vader and Palpatine with no Jedi Order to fight back. Or is there? Even though most of the Jedi were destroyed in the prequels and Obi-Wan and Yoda are also dead, how do we know that there weren't Jedi left on other planets? Or maybe Luke starts creating a new Jedi order (I think there's a book by the name "A New Jedi Order".) So there are always more stories to tell. It's not over till the fat Jabba sings.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by Dotpattern

I have to disagree for a number of reasons.

1) I've been in enough creative and post-production meetings that I recognize those expressions. It's nothing more than a typical first view of a first cut with everyone trying to hammer through what is working in the film and what needs work. To me, McCallum doesn't look disgusted at all. He looks like someone who is listening (intently) and digesting everything he's hearing. Burtt doesn't look or sound like he's saying anything "kindly." He sounds like a professional who's giving his professional opinion about what he believes needs some work. He's not saying it stinks. It's the first cut of the movie. You make a cut, see how it's working, then you adjust based on everyone's feedback. You go through this process several times until the director is satisfied or until you've literally run out of time and have to release the movie as is. Which brings me to:

2) Lucas doesn't look or sound like he's shooting laserbolts from his eyes at Burtt. To me, he looks, and is reacting, like he is acknowledging that there are problems that need to be worked out. He doesn't say to Burtt, "Hey shut your mouth this movie is perfect!" No, he says, "I may have gone to far." He then mimics someone pulling their hair out and groans. And...

3) This documentary wasn't produced by a 3rd party documentary team. It was produced by Lucasfilms...and required Lucas' final approval on not only the final cut of the video, but the inclusion of it on the DVD. If your interpretation of attitudes and behaviors was what was really going on in that video, I don't believe for one second that Lucas would have allowed himself to be showcased in a negative light. I believe he's trying to give us insight into the movie making process and showing us that making movies is not easy and requires a lot of decision making. I personally don't see anything in that video that suggests he's a dictator and unwilling to hear anyone object to anything they disagree with.

That's precisely the way I see it. Couldn't have said it better!

They really see whatever the wanna see.

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

The fanboy thread is two doors down.

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[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

They really see whatever the wanna see.

It works both ways.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by DarthMarino

It's been stated that they will include "only the latest special edition" versions. We already know about the digital Yoda change in Phantom Menace. Obi-Wan's yell to scare off the Sand People in A New Hope has apparently also been changed (again). There will, without any doubt, be even more changes as there will with every release until the day Lucas dies.

Bummer. There's a pretty good chance then that this will be it for me. The movies have just been mauled far too much. I don't mind f/x tweaks, but I hated the changes to pace and story. None of them were ever necessary in the first place.

What some people don't seem to understand is those of us wanting the UOT were never really complaining of things like the f/x upgrades to the battle of Yavin and such--we wanted the new scenes and the reintroduced cut scenes taken back out. Vader's shuttle landing in Empire wrecks the wonderful pacing of the Falcon escape, the Hayden ghost in Jedi is downright weak, the Jabba/Han exchange in ANH is unnecessary, the Emperor revealing Luke and Vader's relationship in Empire is dumb, and so on.

Every time Lucas has touched the classic trilogy, he's taken out just a little more of what made them special to begin with. The magic was tainted in '97, and soon it will be next to gone.

Too bad.

[Rinzler]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

This thread is always good for a laugh.

For someone to say that the new Indy film was just as good, if not better in parts, than Raiders gives you some insight into how someone could consider AotC the best out of all the SW movies - originals included.

No accounting for taste I guess.

It's all a matter of opinion, you have yours, it is not the golden one. People may like AOTC or KOTCS, and that is their choice, their taste, not yours, so what? I REALLY hate when people act like their opinions are absolute. UGH.

[-RONIN-]

Originally Posted by Rinzler

It's all a matter of opinion, you have yours, it is not the golden one. People may like AOTC or KOTCS, and that is their choice, their taste, not yours, so what? I REALLY hate when people act like their opinions are absolute. UGH.

Exactly!!! People need to stop believing their opinion is fact or law. Movies have been, and always will be, about personal taste. Show me a movie that is loved by one and I'll show you somebody who hated it.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Didn't we discuss the meaning of SW once, and it just revealed how multi-layered they really are??? You have me stunned, as one time you go on about how profound they are, and then you say they are mere entertainment.

My comment was about how people elevate these movies (ok to be fair mostly the first 3 movies) to the level of religious experience. They are only movies, fun movies and nothing more. Cutting them open and looking at everything with a microscope is just funny to me, all 6 of them are nothing more then fun movies. Sure they have meaning and they show a story of good vs evil but the way some people talk in this thread it seem they are seeing god when they watch these movies